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You're not going to be putting your projects on your boot drive. I don't know any professionals that put their projects on their main drive. 256GB is purely for OS and apps. For many people this is sufficient.

i generate about 200MB data per month.. i keep it all on the main drive :)
 
It's obvious there are few professionals here

Obviously, there are few professionals in this thread. I bought my 2009 Mac Pro for $4,000 and paid it off from the money I made on its *first job*. It's all been gravy since then.
 
Yeah, FWIW, I stopped by the Apple Store in Columbia, MD on the way home from work and asked for clarification about whether any models would be available for purchase tomorrow. The woman who handles stock said she had not seen any...it would be strictly online ordering tomorrow.
 
Originally Posted by manu chao View Post
There is a difference between saying:
  • we estimate the price to probably be $9999
  • we estimate the price to be approximately $9999

hmm.. not really
just sayin

approximately
adverb
close to a particular number or time although not exactly that number or time:

As an example, two people watching other people walking by. Person A asks person B, "How tall do think this guy that just walked past us is?". Person B could answer:
"Probably 1999 mm." which only makes sense if (s)he knows that a good deal of the people walking past are 1999 mm tall (which could be because people for some reason were sorted in millimetre-precise batches and for some reason those walking past them had a great likelihood of being from the 1999 batch, or person B knew that there was only one person 1999 mm tall and there were no people in adjacent batches, eg, nobody larger than 1950 mm or smaller than 2050 mm).
But if the answer from person B had been approximately 1999 mm, then (s)he didn't know of any batches or likelihoods of certain heights and just was very good at estimating height almost down to the millimetre and expected a range of only a few millimetre around 1999 mm. If (s)he had said approximately 199 cm, then (s)he wasn't as certain about the exact height and would have guessed a range between of maybe one or two centimetre around the stated value.

To elaborate, if one knows that a number will only occur in batches and has indications that it might be a particular batch, one picks that number from the different batches of numbers and says "probably that number".

If one knows there are no batches but a fine distribution of values, one makes a guess within the precision one is able to estimate that value. If one can estimate things down to the millimetre one makes a guess spelled out in millimetre precision, if one is less certain, one uses a less precise guess. The precision in which one presents the guess implies an estimated error of of the magnitude of the precision of one's guess.
 
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just an FYI the new Mac Pro does NOT come with a keyboard or mouse.....


WTF!?

Silly rabbit. Including a kbd and mouse would mean altering the perfect golden ration of the packaging. Be glad they give you a power cord before they alter the deal further.
 
approximately
adverb
close to a particular number or time although not exactly that number or time:

As an example, two people watching other people walking by. Person A asks person B, "How tall do think this guy that just walked past us is?". Person B could answer:
"Probably 1999 mm." which only makes sense if (s)he knows that a good deal of the people walking past are 1999 mm tall (which could be because people for some reason were sorted in millimetre-precise batches and for some reason those walking past them had a great likelihood of being from the 1999 batch, or person B knew that there was only one person 1999 mm tall and there were no people in adjacent batches, eg, nobody larger than 1950 mm or smaller than 2050 mm).
But if the answer from person B had been approximately 1999 mm, then (s)he didn't know of any batches or likelihoods of certain heights and just was very good at estimating height almost down to the millimetre and expected a range of only a few millimetre around 1999 mm. If (s)he had said approximately 199 cm, then (s)he wasn't as certain about the exact height and would have guessed a range between of maybe one or two centimetre around the stated value.

To elaborate, if one knows that a number will only occur in batches and has indications that it might be a particular batch, one picks that number from the different batches of numbers and says "probably that number".

If one knows there are no batches but a fine distribution of values, one makes a guess within the precision one is able to estimate that value. If one can estimate things down to the millimetre one makes a guess spelled out in millimetre precision, if one is less certain, one uses a less precise guess. The precision in which one presents the guess implies an estimated error of of the magnitude of the precision of one's guess.

oh.. i wasn't getting so technical..
both sentences have 'estimate' in them then have another adverb which also mean not exact..

if the examples were:
the price will probably be xxxx
the price is approximately xxxx

then yeah.. those are different.. but after putting 'estimate' in front of those then it's basically "ah.. nobody has a clue" :)
 
i waited, and waited, and waited for the mac pro refresh, then they announced this useless ornament and i spent the money on building a MUCH more powerful PC, Hackintoshed it, and now i have the Mac Pro that "Should" have been, Internal, easy to upgrade 2TB SSD Raid boot drive and an 8TB raid with redundancy for local storage, easily, "OFF-The-Shelf" upgradeable high end graphics, and a user replaceable CPU, and drives,

All in one BOX, no messy thunderbolt cables, caddies, external raid enclosures and additional plug sockets to find.

Out the back of my box are three cables, Video, Keyboard and Ethernet (mouse is wireless), i have a workstation that's fit for purpose, and is not a spaghetti mess of cables and extra boxes.

it seems apples approach is "here is a piece of art" its natural state is to be in the middle of rats nest of wires, enjoy (oh and you'll need to buy a new one every three years or less).

SSD Raid? I'm assuming RAID 0? It's my understanding that SSD Stripes can actually be slower then a single SSD, especially for random access. Nonetheless, are they faster then the PCIe flash that new Mac Pro has?

Redundant 8TB internal raid? What if you wanted to go for more? What if you wanted to quickly and easily access that data on another system? Messy thunderbolt cables? Sorry but, the pro world uses external drives and arrays as part of the norm. Some/larger studios will even use SANs. It's also lot easier to transfer storage between systems when its external and when your not dependent upon the "RAID" implementation internal to the hardware (which I'm guessing is probably software based anyway).

The thunderbolt expansion also opens the door to Cubix like enclosures (didn't they once announce a TB one?) and other devices (capture, output devices, etc) that are convenient to use between systems (ie workstation and laptop).

And, what kind of video cards do you have in that system? Are they officially supported?

Are you able to apply updates as they come out if they fix an issue your having? (I'm not sure how that works with hackintoshes… ) Whats stability like with professional software? (Resolve, Nuke, Maya, etc)?
 
People keep calling this a 'desktop'... it's not a desktop machine. It's a workstation with workstation class performance. This isn't even in the same ballpark as the iMac, or even your buddies gaming system. This is for people who work in the professional visual arts who need more horsepower than simply photo editing or similar work. You're not going to see a lot of Photoshop or Illustrator designers jumping on board. Even a lot of HD video editors won't make the leap, as the iMac more than fills their needs. But motion-graphic artists, 3D animators, CAD designers, and some specialty math/science fields will definitely benefit in a big way from this system.

Arguing over semantics now, are you? This is a desktop workstation computer. Satisfied?

And if I may ask what makes people feel special about owning this kind of computer? It starts at $2999 and I could just build $8000 PC system. But then what? That makes me god?

In real world, engineering and science fields rarely rely on a Mac. They do Linux and often their daily software run exclusively on Windows workstation, many dated back to XP.
 
We still have no idea if CrossFire is supported on these GPUs, even when booting Windows. So if you're buying one primarily as a game machine you're possibly throwing one of the GPUs away.

CrossFire support is largely up to AMD, isn't it?
 
Doesn't suite all professionals or pro consumers

It's a very cool machine with tons of graphic power. Will be great for video editors and professionals. However, it won't be great for audio people. A Macbook Pro might be nice on the road, but many people want a cpu powerhouse with multiple processors and room for PCI(XXX) cards.

We don't necessarily need a SSD drive, but would like an internal raid. I don't need to hear your arguments about program in OpenCL for use with plugins etc and I don't need you arguments about external chassis.

And there are gamers who want more than an iMac and be able to do some video card upgrades over the years. Apple has nothing for them.

Apple seems to only think about the high-end professional and consumer. There are people in-between left out and they'll be forced to go Hackintosh or Windows.
 
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