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I wish they’d offer more colors in the XS/XS Plus...I’m getting tired of the same old Silver/Space Gray/Gold scheme.

I’d love one in blue or red or orange. Come on, Apple. :D

All that said...I’m buying two XS+’s on launch day, haha!!
 
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Anybody remember Apple's attempt at being fun again with the iPhone 5c, which came in multiple colours?
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If Apple does that, I'd be very disappointed. I'm not a fan of the rounded sides of the 6/7/8 lineup. The SE is iconic for a reason — its form factor. Let's hope Apple has the wisdom to keep that design/size simply because it's very good, and a preferred size for many people!
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There are side-effects to phone prices going up — it actually makes it more difficult for those with a lower income to get one. I've got an SE right now, and I still pay upwards of $200 a month for my device+plan. It's crazy to be locked into this monthly contract price for such a "cheap" phone! There's no way that I could afford the initial price + the plan of the more expensive phones.

$200/month?! That’s a lot. I pay $100.

Where do you live and what’s your plan? If you don’t mind me asking. Just curious.
[doublepost=1536551956][/doublepost]They should make a new SE that’s a little thinner and has more screen real estate.

People love the SE.
 
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Weird, I remember some Apple products, like the MacBook Air, being small and expensive on release. For years, Apple worked on making the iPod smaller and thinner, too.

I bought a new iPhone every other year since the 3G, but I went from the iPhone 6 "back" to the iPhone SE, and now I'm simply in a holding pattern until my SE isn't supported or Apple makes a smaller phone.

I concur as I like the physical dimensions of the SE. The issue is that to produce it does not cost much as all the R&D has been recouped. Even though Apple may sell it for less, their will not consider it. At present with Canadian carriers the SE 32GB is free on a 24 month contract. The 4.7” 8 is $15 per month. Apple does not want the illusion of a budget phone as with their product line the experience for the most part is similar. Apple knows people will buy the budget phone as most don’t even take advantage of the gimmick features that are pushed on the expensive models.

Even larger screens to develop are cheaper due to market demand, however the perception is due to size it must cost more. It is a primal instinct, even though in the tech world it is the opposite. It is challenging to reengineer human psyche. Bigger equates better in many people’s minds as their do not completely understand the technical portion of tech unfortunately.
 
This is much better than iPhone Christmas

Lol. I was going to comment how insane and kinda dopish these names are, but I said the same thing when iPhone “X” was the rumor and I didn’t believe that, either. It’s probably legit. Lol they could call it iPhone Uncool Loser Device and still sell 25 billion of em.
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I concur as I like the physical dimensions of the SE. The issue is that to produce it does not cost much as all the R&D has been recouped. Even though Apple may sell it for less, their will not consider it. At present with Canadian carriers the SE 32GB is free on a 24 month contract. The 4.7” 8 is $15 per month. Apple does not want the illusion of a budget phone as with their product line the experience for the most part is similar. Apple knows people will buy the budget phone as most don’t even take advantage of the gimmick features that are pushed on the expensive models.

Even larger screens to develop are cheaper due to market demand, however the perception is due to size it must cost more. It is a primal instinct, even though in the tech world it is the opposite. It is challenging to reengineer human psyche. Bigger equates better in many people’s minds as their do not completely understand the technical portion of tech unfortunately.

How does that not give the appearance of a budget device? One is free, the other is $15 x 24 or more months. Lol
 
Is all hope lost for a reasonably sized phone? (4.7" or smaller)

It really is. Face it, things do change. Let's move on.
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“iPhone XS Plus" is 8388 yuan ($1225)

Christ on a bike. Year back we complained that iphoneX was expensive, and now people are just gonna swallow this price.

Iphone SE, here I go!

You asking if people are gonna swallow the cheaper price? Yes, they will.
 
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I've been holding out for a headphone jack, but I really want the Dual SIM model so I can carry one less device. I guess that'll be worth a dongle.
 
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Technically, the XC is an upgrade on the iPhone 8 though: More RAM, higher resolution screen, Face ID, True Depth Sensor Cameras w/ Animojis (gimmicky to me, but to others it's a popular feature), new form factor, etc.

I get it that the specs aren't the best. Believe me, I would only want the XS and XS+ as the only two offerings and that they were at lower price points than discussed in rumors and news.

I am no means an Apple apologist either. But TrueTone is nice differentiating feature against competitors. The resolution might be obscure, but you're getting one of the best LCDs on the market. Anything below 1080p on a 6.1" display is awfully disappointing imo. I am not even 100% about the battery life on the 6.1" device either.

It's really a tweener device because Apple is giving a lot of more contemporary features at the cost of other stuff. I don't personally like it, but I also have a strict budget to adhere to w/ an upgrade this fall. So I may have to go that way if I want to stick with iOS.

Samsung offers the same 1440p display resolution with the S9/S9+/Note 9. But they also make noticeable differences between each device too. S9 vs the S9+ isn't a substantial difference besides RAM, battery size, cameras, screen size, and other minor differences.

The OnePlus 6 is probably one of the best bang for your buck phones out. The other is the Poco Phone F1. No such thing as the perfect phone and a perfect price since those are subjective things and each phone carries limitations.


"Technically, the XC is an upgrade on the iPhone 8 though: More RAM, higher resolution screen, Face ID, True Depth Sensor Cameras w/ Animojis (gimmicky to me, but to others it's a popular feature), new form factor, etc. "

From the rumors I've read, the XC is basically an iPhone 8 Plus wrapped in an iPhone X form factor. In other words, it'll be edge-to-edge screen with FaceID but it will have iPhone 8 Plus internals (A11 SoC with 3GB RAM)
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I want that SE form factor. But it’s not much of an improvement over my current iPhone 6 so I’ll wait another year. If nothing than I’ll just give up iPhone all together. I don’t want a huge phablet and I certainly don’t want a phone constantly scanning my face.

So you don't want a huge phablet but you're thinking of giving up iPhone. Hate to break it to you but pretty much everything in Android land is phablet-sized. So what are you gonna use?
 
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A photo of an alleged slide from an internal Chinese mobile carrier presentation appeared on Weibo today that potentially reveals the naming convention for Apple's imminent iPhone lineup as well as possible pricing details.

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Alleged slide from China Mobile internal company meeting

First spotted by Japanese tech blog MacOtakara, the China Mobile slide refers to the larger 6.5-inch OLED iPhone as "iPhone XS Plus", casting doubt on earlier claims that the larger OLED iPhone will take the moniker "iPhone XS Max". Meanwhile, the lower-spec 6.1-inch LCD iPhone is referred to as "iPhone XC".

The last time Apple used "C" nomenclature in its smartphones was for 2013's iPhone 5c, which was priced below the flagship iPhone 5 series and featured a plastic rear case available in blue, green, yellow, white, and pink colors.

Respected Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo expects the 6.1-inch iPhone to be available in red, blue, orange, gray, and white, while the 5.8 and 6.5-inch iPhone models will be available in just three colors - presumably silver, space gray, and gold.

As for the slide's pricing, which includes 17 percent Chinese sales tax, the "iPhone XS" is 7388 yuan ($1079), the "iPhone XS Plus" is 8388 yuan ($1225), and the lower-spec "iPhone XC" is 5888 yuan ($860). Minus tax, the "iPhone XS", "iPhone XS Plus", and "iPhone XC" prices approximately convert to $900, $1015, and $700, respectively.

Those figures roughly line up with Kuo's expectation that the 6.5-inch OLED device will be priced at $900 to $1,000, while the 5.8-inch OLED second-generation iPhone X will be $800 to $900, and the 6.1-inch LCD iPhone will be $600 to $700.

Lastly, the slide mentions that a dual-sim version of the "iPhone XS" and "iPhone XS Plus" will be available, but at a later date than the standard models.

Similar leaks allegedly sourced from China Mobile have been accurate in the past, but at present it's impossible to verify that this one is legitimate. Suffice to say we'll know for sure on Wednesday, September 12, when Apple's "Gather Round" media event takes place. Aside from new iPhones, redesigned iPad Pro and Apple Watch models are also expected to be announced. Stay tuned to MacRumors for all the coverage.

Article Link: Alleged China Mobile Leak Names 'iPhone XC' and 'iPhone XS Plus' in Apple's 2018 iPhone Lineup

is anybody but me bothered that smartphones such as the Apple line are getting bigger all the time? They're getting clumsy, harder to hold comfortably. A woman can always drop a large one in her purse, but it's not so easy for a man. Either you have to be lucky enough to have a pocket big enough to hold it or carry an awkwardly large holster. Are customers really screaming for bigger and bigger phones and I've happened to miss their shouting, or this is some self-indulgent enthusiasm of design teams? I'm not sure of the correct answer, but I would be anything but surprised to find out it's the latter. My iPhone X is as big as I'm willing to go, I could comfortably go ago back to my smaller iPhone 8 or probably even earlier models. I certainly wouldn't want anything bigger.

And, of course, if Apple keeps screwing around with dimensions this causes a cascade of secondary problems. Every time I upgrade I have to worry about buying a new protective case or even battery case, a docking or recharging system that works with it, and so forth, and sometimes this adds considerably to the total cost of an upgrade.

This time around, the new iPhones are going to be appreciably bigger. I've yet to hear of ways in which they are sufficiently better to justify yet another upgrade. I've decided to stick to the one I have now until Apple offers me what seems like a significant improvement in function or usefulness, not just a change for change's sake.

This time around the Reality Distortion Field is going to have to work overtime.
 
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"Technically, the XC is an upgrade on the iPhone 8 though: More RAM, higher resolution screen, Face ID, True Depth Sensor Cameras w/ Animojis (gimmicky to me, but to others it's a popular feature), new form factor, etc. "

From the rumors I've read, the XC is basically an iPhone 8 Plus wrapped in an iPhone X form factor. In other words, it'll be edge-to-edge screen with FaceID but it will have iPhone 8 Plus internals (A11 SoC with 3GB RAM)
Most reliable rumors have the iPhone 9/Xc with an A12, but 3GB RAM like the 2017 X.
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This time around, the new iPhones are going to be appreciably bigger. I've yet to hear of ways in which they are sufficiently better to justify yet another upgrade. I've decided to stick to the one I have now until Apple offers me what seems like a significant improvement in function or usefulness, not just a change for change's sake.

This time around the Reality Distortion Field is going to have to work overtime.
The Xs Plus is rumored to be smaller than the 8 Plus in both width and height, though .35mm thicker. Not bad considering the display is growing considerably (about 20% larger).
 
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These naming conventions are getting a tad ridiculous and reek of "what the hell are we doing?". Did they not sit down many years ago and nut out a scenario of how they may name these devices as the iPhone family tree thickened? You know, one that kinda made sense?
 
is anybody but me bothered that smartphones such as the Apple line are getting bigger all the time? They're getting clumsy, harder to hold comfortably. A woman can always drop a large one in her purse, but it's not so easy for a man. Either you have to be lucky enough to have a pocket big enough to hold it or carry an awkwardly large holster. Are customers really screaming for bigger and bigger phones and I've happened to miss their shouting, or this is some self-indulgent enthusiasm of design teams?
Your pocket don’t fit an iPhone X? What kind of pants do you wear?

You don’t have to buy the Plus phones, but the market drive to bigger phones is real. Check the momentum on desktops/laptops vs tablet vs phones. It’s very clear that 1) desktops/laptops are not becoming more popular, and 2) in contrast to what many predicted, that user base are not moving to tablets. Instead, the only segment which is continually rising is phones. The majority of web surfing world wide is now happening from a smart phone. Do you think people want to do that from a 6” device or a 3” device? The market chose the former.
 
Man that naming scheme sucks. I’m done telling people it’s pronounced 10. Literally everyone I know has called the X the iPhone Ecks, so this will be the iPhone Excess. If I wasn’t so hungry for that OLED I’d pass on the name alone out of principle, but alas, take my money.
 
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Man that naming scheme sucks. I’m done telling people it’s pronounced 10. Literally everyone I know has called the X the iPhone Ecks, so this will be the iPhone Excess. If I wasn’t so hungry for that OLED I’d pass on the name alone out of principle, but alas, take my money.
Too banked for this one. Too much time and effort and hype to not get it. Join me, in persuit of temporary technological satisfaction
 
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I think Apple, by now, can afford to reduce all their products costs, thus pass it on to its loyal followers. Instead £1,000/$1000, it should ask for £500/$500.
 
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Although I'm not a fan of the S name XS and XS Plus make a lot of sense, so does XC.
Xr and Max are so wrong I don't want to believe they're the actual names of the incoming iPhones.
 
Apple to me was not about Luxury until the last few years. They were always pricey and that is coming from a 22 year Apple user. When I paid more for my Apple computers, I understood what I was paying for - great hardware and software. That is not case now, with all the software bugs, mistakes etc. These days, Apple purposely jack up their prices to bolster their profits and other companies have followed this example.

If that is luxury, then I do not care that I do not understand the luxury concept. I couldn’t care less about my image. To me, Apple were about ease of use and security.

The constant gimping on features (cameras and tech like FaceID I understand), but RAM and a lesser screen in 2018? Not really no.

I will agree by saying yes I do not understand your definition of Apple as a luxury brand, but I do understand Apple’s bottom line.

Enjoy your new tech.

First of all, you saying there were no bugs and mistakes since the 1st iPhone is truly wrong. It had much more problems before than now. In fact it's far more refined now than ever before. Also I never had any problems with my iPhone X and I'm not just saying this to argue with you, but I have never had any major problems with iPhone 6,7+ and iPhone X. Very rare apps froze and I have to close the app to re open and start working on it.
- https://www.macworld.com/article/1141405/iphone3gs_signalstrength.html

Second, why does it have less RAM? Seriously? Don't get into Android's smartphones marketing here which has no meaning to it. Those smartphones have 6GM RAM and doesn't stand near iPhone X. Here are there results, https://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/ne...hip-beat-samsunng-galaxy-s8-oneplus-5-1751598

And luxury is not about the image. It's about the unmatched quality. Nobody buys luxury products to show and those who do don't understand the real meaning of it.

Apple’s own flagship phone has gone from $650 in 2013 to $1000 in 2017. An over 50% price increase in four years. Has Mercedes increased the price of its flagship sedan over 50% in four years?

This makes no sense. Are you saying just because Apple has increased it's pricing so it can't be compared to Mercedes? lol. Both are totally different products and their pricing and financing strategies are totally different.

The comparison about the two companies is their quality which most of the people don't value it unless they use a smartphone which is other than Apple. The build quality, the iOS clean operating system which is far more premium and balanced compared to Android OS. It's a tech company and it will have bugs and so does all other tech companies. When Nokia was No.1, it did too have major bugs in their Symbian smartphones. But does other companies have the user experience what Apple provides?

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Those who haven't used Face ID say Face ID is alright, not a great leap but unfortunately it is. We are living in an era now where the smartphone scans our Face for payments, passwords, logins and not just unlock your smartphone. It's a far big advancement than Android's smartphones which have 2D face unlock which is pure gimmick.

3D Touch, Lastest iOS Firmware, No Bloatware, Seamsless Sharing between your iPhone, iPad & Macs, Apps always comes first on iOS, the Best Hardware and Software integration that nobody does now in the market and last but not the least, Fastest Smartphone in the World - https://www.tomsguide.com/us/galaxy-note-9-benchmarks,news-27773.html

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Price of Samsung Note 9 - USD999 (And in no less time it has come down to USD799, reason? it's Samsung and nobody wants it now)

Price of Sony XZ2 Premium - USD999

LG V35 - USD899

LG V30+ - USD832

Razer - USD699

Samsung Galaxy Note 8 - USD699

Sony XZ2 - USD699

Blackberry Key2 - USD649


These guys don't make their own OS they just refine it's Android OS for their brand to give few extra features. Imagine they save so much out of not spending like Apple in software but yet they are still highly priced.

It's the market. Smartphone market has evolved and now it can do a lot more things than just the usual. The only difference is what type of user are you?

If you are that user who just wants to use smartphone for Facebook, Instagram, Twitter than obviously iPhone X is not the best for you. If you are a video or photo blogger than it still makes sense to use iPhone X. And specially you use Excel files, Mails, Editing, Presentations then iPhone X is the best.

It really comes down to what type of user you are and that will justify what's the right price of a smartphone for you.
 
i dont keep up with iphone news, but surely im not the first person to point out the hilarity in the most expensive model named "XS"

its almost both a contradition and a double-entendre
 
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I think number then improved one with an S is the best, less confusing option. Don't break the tested formula!

Look at Sony to see that using letters is nothing but confusing!
 
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