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Saying they never will is disingenuous. Once the ability to put the sensor array and camera behind the display is possible (and not janky), it will be done.
i dont see it.

prototypes with cameras under display haven’t dealt with the reflections off the display which would ruin the photos, even if they claim it’s antireflective.
 
11 Pro owner here. Great phone but the notch is its most obvious flaw, and people convincing themselves they “like” such an obvious technical obstacle will continue to be hilarious to me.

Desperately wish I could buy a full-screen phone with TouchID only. FaceID adds absolutely nothing to the experience for me, and is not worth the presence of the notch.

Well said! I always felt this way and wondered why Apple made the user experience slightly worse than touchID while ruining the display at the same time.

Great post! Had to quote and make it appear on another page :D
 
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anyone who proclaims they are not buying an iphone because of the notch....Apple doesn't need their business.

That's pure fanboyism to claim if you dont like it kick bricks we dont need you, not reality. No company is "too good" for anyone with green cash. Even Apple. Especially in the current economy. They may have that luxury valued at $1 trillion+ but may not always have that luxury, and havent always in history; it was on the verge of bankruptcy in the late 90s. Resting on one's laurels is a poor business strategy usually, or to be open to constructive criticism.

Which is where " (Although it would be nice to have both)" would fully agree that they need to start thinking of other plays if this disease is sticking around as masks cancel out face biometric use. A PIN is certainly not better than any fingerprint system out there in use; even an optical scanner.

But for some reason people see any constructive criticism or anything the slightest bit ngative as "you know what f- apple Im moving to Android and coming back here to be a troll and their stuff is a locked down POS" Rather than "I wish it was this way and here's why I think its better" Maybe its just a MR thing.

As far as the usefulness of face id in a pandemic. I don't where a mask at home, where I shelter in place and work and unlock my phone hundreds of times a day. True, while shopping indoors wearing a mask I enter my pin, but that use case doesn't negate that face id, imo, is better than touch id in general. (Although it would be nice to have both)

I think you (and many people) GREATLY underestimate how long this will last. Most people are going to have to go back to work soon here in the coming months and masks are staying with us; years not months. The first vaccines wont be anywhere near 100% effective and may never be; and all signs are now that getting it doesnt mean you cant get it again (like the flu).

Face ID or any face unlock, ANY iteration, is going to be a poor single biometric long term solution if so. That is just new reality that maybe wasnt 2017 looing forward back then.
 
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That's pure fanboyism to claim if you dont like it kick bricks we dont need you, not reality.
**For the record, this is one opinion vs another.

Exactly the same as pure unfounded criticism to the contrary.

No company is "too good" for anyone with green cash. Even Apple. Especially in the current economy. They may have that luxury valued at $1 trillion+ but may not always have that luxury, and havent always in history; it was on the verge of bankruptcy in the late 90s. Resting on one's laurels is a poor business strategy usually, or to be open to constructive criticism.
There is always churn. There is churn in the tv market, car market, phone market etc. The ones who loudly and boldly denounce Apple for the notch, probably aren't real customers anyway (yes this is an opinion). Apple in the 90s is not Apple today, and for all of the sentiment against the notch for the iphone x....we know how that turned out. Constructive criticism is the opposite of what we have seen here sometimes and has little to with which compromise of where the electronics are placed will be best.
Which is where " (Although it would be nice to have both)" would fully agree that they need to start thinking of other plays if this disease is sticking around as masks cancel out face biometric use. A PIN is certainly not better than any fingerprint system out there in use; even an optical scanner.

But for some reason people see any constructive criticism or anything the slightest bit ngative as "you know what f- apple Im moving to Android and coming back here to be a troll and their stuff is a locked down POS" Rather than "I wish it was this way and here's why I think its better" Maybe its just a MR thing.
Very well could be a forum thing.
I think you (and many people) GREATLY underestimate how long this will last. Most people are going to have to go back to work soon here in the coming months and masks are staying with us; years not months. The first vaccines wont be anywhere near 100% effective and may never be; and all signs are now that getting it doesnt mean you cant get it again (like the flu).
I have not underestimated how long this thing will last. After 5 months, I've adjusted myself to the use cases with regarding face id, some of which I've attempted to explain above.
Face ID or any face unlock, ANY iteration, is going to be a poor single biometric long term solution if so. That is just new reality that maybe wasnt 2017 looing forward back then.
Any single solution biometric by your post is a bad long term solution. Touch ID has it's limitations as well and has had those limitations since day one. You pick what works best for you.
 
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I wouldn’t mind a smaller notch combined with an inscreen TouchID system (I know that’s not gonna happen). Both systems have their advantages and both are convenient at certain situations.
 
I'm a Pixel user, and currently have the Pixel 4 XL, with Google's version of FaceID and forehead bezel at the top. My previous phone was the Pixel 3 XL, with the bathtub size notch, which everyone said fades away and your brain doesn't even notice after awhile.

You know what, between the two? The 3 XL notch was always noticeable and ugly as heck, and the year I had the phone, I always saw it, and it didn't fade away. Now my 4 XL, yeah at first the big forehead looked sort of outdated and a huge bezel doesn't seem modern. But using it day in, day out, I love having a straight display across the top and no notch, and the large forehead bezel, doesn't bother me in the least nowadays , I am happy to have no notch anymore. Apple could easily do the same, put a little forehead bezel on top for FaceID, and but keep the side bezels and bottom bezel to a minimum slim bezel, and it would look fine, and be better overall.
 
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I rather just ave 1 MM black 'forehead' than a notch of any kind. I still got iPhone 8 Plus and the notch has been a big turn off . I was hoping iPhone 12 wouldn't have any notch at all .
 
here comes the people complaining about how the notch still sucks and they will hold off until apple removes the notch (which they never will)

SERIOUSLY? So you really must think this was a cool design feature rather than a necessary evil, and that even when all of the gizmos in the notch are the size of a pin, Apple will still blank out valuable screen real estate just to keep a notch. Why not add two or three more notches for iPhone 13 just to be even more cool? I have read some absurd comments over the years, but this one is right up there with the fairies.

Meanwhile, back to the real world, the second Apple can ditch the notch and have a proper full screen display, it is gone, probably with much fanfare and ceremony from Apple and whooping from the rent-a-fan mob at the Apple Event, if they can visit in person by then. I really do despair at times...
 
Nobody has given a meaningful answer to why we even need the notch. Just give the phone a small forehead, put all relevant sensors in there and keep the screen an unbroken rounded rectangle. It’s got to be easier to manufacture, simplifies the software, and will enable more future sensors in that space.
There are all kinds of reasonable explanations out there. Search YouTube for iphone notch. Why it’s necessary. It gives a distinctive look, among other things. Who wants a forehead like everybody else is capable of cobbling together?
 
here comes the people complaining about how the notch still sucks and they will hold off until apple removes the notch (which they never will)
Never say never. I am sure plenty of people said “theyll never get rid of the headphone jack, home button, etc” but here we are.

I personally want the notch gone, and know it will be in the future, maybe not this version though. I’d take a single camera on the back instead of this “triple camera” crap if it meant the notch was gone.
 
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Let's go baby, give me those status bar icons back.
 
SERIOUSLY? So you really must think this was a cool design feature rather than a necessary evil, and that even when all of the gizmos in the notch are the size of a pin, Apple will still blank out valuable screen real estate just to keep a notch. Why not add two or three more notches for iPhone 13 just to be even more cool? I have read some absurd comments over the years, but this one is right up there with the fairies.

Meanwhile, back to the real world, the second Apple can ditch the notch and have a proper full screen display, it is gone, probably with much fanfare and ceremony from Apple and whooping from the rent-a-fan mob at the Apple Event, if they can visit in person by then. I really do despair at times...

Just remember, "anyone who doesnt agree with Apple should just leave; take your money elsewhere and shut up." It's the cult mentality.

You cant say anything negative about Apple or how ridiculous a huge notch in 2020 is; and it's not even "negative" (not trolling Apple sucks etc) but constructive criticism as you want to see them do better and actually innovate again.

A big notch served a functional (NOT design) purpose at first, there has been zero innovation in 3 years/4 phone models, if this year holds true, now to shrink the tech and shrink the notch. It's unacceptable frankly.

And if its technologically not possible, Face ID isnt the near future and they need to be looking into in-screen fingerprint tech ASAP until Face ID can be done without a huge notch or under the display. But Apple will never say they made the wrong call and now boxed themselves into this huge notch design. The notch is and always has been ugly; a 1-2mm forehead, like say an S9/Note 9 size but a bit shorter, would have been better.
 
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Never say never. I am sure plenty of people said “theyll never get rid of the headphone jack, home button, etc” but here we are.

I personally want the notch gone, and know it will be in the future, maybe not this version though. I’d take a single camera on the back instead of this “triple camera” crap if it meant the notch was gone.

Don't know who said they'll never get rid of the headphone jack or the home button. I certainly never said that as I always thought those were obvious things to remove.
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SERIOUSLY? So you really must think this was a cool design feature rather than a necessary evil, and that even when all of the gizmos in the notch are the size of a pin, Apple will still blank out valuable screen real estate just to keep a notch. Why not add two or three more notches for iPhone 13 just to be even more cool? I have read some absurd comments over the years, but this one is right up there with the fairies.

Meanwhile, back to the real world, the second Apple can ditch the notch and have a proper full screen display, it is gone, probably with much fanfare and ceremony from Apple and whooping from the rent-a-fan mob at the Apple Event, if they can visit in person by then. I really do despair at times...


"here comes the people complaining..."
i'd call that prediction a success.
 
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I think you (and many people) GREATLY underestimate how long this will last. Most people are going to have to go back to work soon here in the coming months and masks are staying with us; years not months. The first vaccines wont be anywhere near 100% effective and may never be; and all signs are now that getting it doesnt mean you cant get it again (like the flu).

Face ID or any face unlock, ANY iteration, is going to be a poor single biometric long term solution if so. That is just new reality that maybe wasnt 2017 looing forward back then.
I am certainly not looking to start an argument! :D And this may be an aside to your point about face ID not being the best unlock solution...

But it may not be years with masks due to COVID (see article below regarding vaccine testing for 30,000 people). Maybe it will become more socially acceptable to continue to wear masks to avoid all the OTHER diseases out there (cold, flu, etc.), but it probably won't be a majority like it is now.


Just looking to spread some positivity amongst current events. And I do think that Touch ID is a better solution in most situations. I'm not looking forward to using FaceID while trying to do Apple Pay.
 
here comes the people complaining about how the notch still sucks and they will hold off until apple removes the notch (which they never will)

I think the notch will have to go away as competitors get rid of theirs. When it will go away is likely not anytime soon unfortunately because it ugly AF and Apple chose this as the hill to die on along with the inane decision to get rid of the 3.5mm headphone jack. I've never found FaceID worth the ugliness of the notch.
 
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Again not to repeat myself, but I had the Pixel 3 XL and 4 XL now.

The ugly huge notch on the 3 XL was hideous and always an eye sore, and now the 4 XL with the large bezel forehead but no notch, yes, it's so much better and nice to have a straight display at the top and no notch. Night and day better without the notch.
 
If we get no 120hz and same
Size notch then I’ll be upset all the leaks are looking bad smaller batt etc, what’s happening Apple I thought this iPhone would be the game changer we need
Of course it will be a game changer, as is every new version of iphone. Apple will never release something they aren't proud of, and what they are proud of are great products that actually change the world, to the contrary of naysayers and haters in these forums
 
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