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Yes, I've never had an iPhone but I have always admired the 4/4S they were just so beautiful in desing and the specs at that time were the best...too bad at that time I couldn't afford one :(

i feel the reason apple is skimping on specs is bcoz they know it can be pulled off (user experience or not) and ppl would still buy it. Coupled with Cooks obsession with increasing profit and margins, so putting in high specs would decrease margins, which would equal to lower % of profits for the year. wouldnt look so awesome when presenting financial statistics to shareholders right.

The only way for Apple to really produce a iPhone4 level masterpiece is if they are threatened by a new tech/company. or declining sales.

You as a consumer can choose.
 
well, i miss the days where apple released phones which were top of line like the 2G and the ultimate 4.

iPhone4 was truly a masterclass with top of the line screen, camera and RAM. This iPhone6 screams midrange.

This is why I don't understand the people arguing for getting less from Apple. They released amazing products in the past that were worth the price of admission. While I am sure the user experience for most will be fine on the 6, it could be "better" but instead Apple refuses to budge for that bottom line.
 
What OS is the iWatch running? What 3rd party apps have been developed? What’s are the dev tools? Resolution of the display? That’s secrecy: not revealing specific details about new product lines (“wearables"), complete product redesigns (Mac Pro) internal development (Swift, many iOS features).

The fact that a device gets out of a warehouse, just a week before they start shipping isn’t anything to do with secrecy, it’s simply an inevitability for a huge global supply chain and highly anticipated product. :)

True, certainly, but we all know these iPhone mock ups have been floating around for quite some time.
 
Don't include Galaxy Note 4 (64 bits) , neither Xperia Z3(faster 32bits yet) , when evident multi-core results shows Cleary advantage of latest android.

Edit: added geekbench 3 results for Note 4.
Source http://gsminsider.com/2014/09/samsung-galaxy-note-4-sm-n910u-antutu-benchmark-geekbench/


1200 single core and 4036 multicore.

Note 4 is also clocked 100mhz slower then a8 so add 200-300 points if it were clocked the same.

For those trying to compare clock for clock and I'm sure geekbench is not optimised for 64bit on android so wait for true android lollipop with true 64bit support to compare them apples to apples
 
I love Apple and everything they do...but if they seriously think I'll buy a phone at the end of 2014 (to use through 2016) with 1GB of RAM, they're out of their minds.

Please outline the hardship you expect by your continued use of an iPhone sporting 1GB instead of 2GB? Do you expect slow-downs, crashes? Are those currently happening to you?

Seriously why get bent out of shape about something that doesn't impact you and will not impact you. Its just a spec.

iPad? That's a different story.
 
I love Apple and everything they do...but if they seriously think I'll buy a phone at the end of 2014 (to use through 2016) with 1GB of RAM, they're out of their minds.

No they aren't, and yes you will.

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That's not true ... 1 GB RAM. There is no reason not to build in 2 GB. Ahh there is one, next year you can advertise it as a great thing ... this is so obvious.

I will not buy a new iPhone with only 1 GB RAM ...

You'll buy it.
 
Shifting the goalposts.

You originally said "most android devices crushes that months ago."

And you come back with just two phones that haven't even been released yet.
I'm being honest, geekbench it's just one benchmark, there are others which are more favorable for Android, you blame me for citing two *unreleased* phones? OK so what are we waiting today? Isn't the iPhone 6 just another unreleased phone?
 
I love Apple and everything they do...but if they seriously think I'll buy a phone at the end of 2014 (to use through 2016) with 1GB of RAM, they're out of their minds.
Stick to your guns. Don't change your mind.

At least until after I get mine.
 
I'm being honest, geekbench it's just one benchmark, there are others which are more favorable for Android, you blame me for citing two *unreleased* phones? OK so what are we waiting today? Isn't the iPhone 6 just another unreleased phone?

He was referring to you saying those marks were crushed months ago.
 
Thats not how it works, you don't get 512MB, you get 300MB (and single threaded app even less). You use 150MB on an non graphical app (half of the limit), now try to make a games with tons of textures.

I know you don't get the maximum amount of RAM, but that number changed from time to time.
On the iPad 1 I wasn't able to allocate more than 70-80 MB as far as I remember, while this number almost doubled with iPad 2.
150MB is my peak memory usage, I'm below 100MB most of the time by the way and I display a lot of images (my bundles are usually 300/400MB).

As I said, I imagine a game could use more memory and the 300MB limit may be raised in the future on a 2GB device.
As far as I remember on a WWDC video they said the maximum amount of RAM on the iPad is up to 600MB, but usually you can't reach that. I never needed so much RAM so I didn't experience a memory limit since iPad 2.
 
Apple engineers are smarter than all of you with regards to iPhone platform... because they see THE WHOLE PICTURE, not just geekbench scores and what's in Xcode.

When you find someone who knows the platform from top to bottom, including all the intermediate prototype iterations that have been tried and abandoned for whatever reasons, someone who knows ALL the silicon without the pain of having to reverse engineer it, someone who has unlimited source code for the entire platform, including the hardware drivers, someone who's been on the iPhone design team since years BEFORE iPhone 1, someone who eats, sleeps and breathes the ENTIRE symbiosis of what comprises an iOS device in its entirety...

... Then I'll take you seriously.
 
1GB? Thank you Apple for looking out for me by keeping the price down.

It's my own fault if I try to keep 6 or 7 apps open at once.
 
I think my brain just started hemorrhaging.

So there is no improvement in performanc for all intents and purposes.

iPhone-5S-CPU-performance.jpg


Cool so now we can adjust this graph and say that performance flat lined.

Ridiculously bad move on Apple's part.
 
It's all about marketing

At the keynote Apple will talk about how amazing it is that the invented the 4,7" screen and NFC.
They won't talk about specs because they are mediocre at best.
It's nothing new. Apple puts mid-level components into the phone which equals lower productions cost and higher margins. Same story as last year and the year before.
It all comes down to the software performance of iOS 8 on the device, because the hardware won't impress anyone.
 
Please outline the hardship you expect by your continued use of an iPhone sporting 1GB instead of 2GB? Do you expect slow-downs, crashes? Are those currently happening to you?

Seriously why get bent out of shape about something that doesn't impact you and will not impact you. Its just a spec.

iPad? That's a different story.

There is none.
One one I have seen in this thread is about opening "20 or so tabs" on your phone. If you are opening 20 or so tabs on any device (outside of development) you are doing something wrong/seeing little to no benefit to begin with out side of being able to say 'i can open 20 or so tabs' and one is certainly not doing development outside of end user testing on an iPhone.
 
Apple engineers are smarter than all of you with regards to iPhone platform... because they see THE WHOLE PICTURE, not just geekbench scores and what's in Xcode.

When you find someone who knows the platform from top to bottom, including all the intermediate prototype iterations that have been tried and abandoned for whatever reasons, someone who knows ALL the silicon without the pain of having to reverse engineer it, someone who has unlimited source code for the entire platform, including the hardware drivers, someone who's been on the iPhone design team since years BEFORE iPhone 1, someone who eats, sleeps and breathes the ENTIRE symbiosis of what comprises an iOS device in its entirety...

... Then I'll take you seriously.

Cool, enjoy your device and ignore the people who have complained about the limited memory causing issues for them. Since they aren't engineers I guess they don't actually have a real problem.
 
Note 4 is also clocked 100mhz slower then a8 so add 200-300 points if it were clocked the same.

For those trying to compare clock for clock and I'm sure geekbench is not optimised for 64bit on android so wait for true android lollipop with true 64bit support to compare them apples to apples
Not to say that Apple as Qualcomm as Samsung just licence an ARM Holdings product, it's like compare an Intel core i7 made by Apple and and another (or the same) Intel core i7 made by samsung.

I'd like to compare all other benchmarks not just one, btw geekbench not my favorite, antutu it's more reliable IMHO.
 
What surprises me most is that on a technology forum, people are content with 1gb of ram when it absolutely blows. Unless they re-worked something that doesn't lose our data in tabs when we're browsing (I can't believe I just said that in 2014), then yes the device needs more memory end of story. Why is it a discussion still? Makes no sense to argue that it doesn't need more ram.
 
Note 4 is also clocked 100mhz slower then a8 so add 200-300 points if it were clocked the same.

For those trying to compare clock for clock and I'm sure geekbench is not optimised for 64bit on android so wait for true android lollipop with true 64bit support to compare them apples to apples

I'm glad iOS doesn't have candy names. How ****ing embarassing.

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I think my brain just started hemorrhaging.

So there is no improvement in performanc for all intents and purposes.

Image

Cool so now we can adjust this graph and say that performance flat lined.

Ridiculously bad move on Apple's part.

I'm not defending them on the the RAM thing... but the processor will be newer so what are you talking about?
 
I think my brain just started hemorrhaging.

So there is no improvement in performanc for all intents and purposes.

Image

Cool so now we can adjust this graph and say that performance flat lined.

Ridiculously bad move on Apple's part.

5s and 5 have the same amount of RAM, yet that graph shows a huge performance boost.
 
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