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If this new triple design just does better photography and depth of field pictures (like portrait mode,) forget it; I'm out. If it has heavy AR usage or 3D rendering, count me in.
What about video? I'm still waiting for portrait mode 4K video at 30fps. That would be an industry first and a killer reason for a 3rd lens.
 
It was about this rumor. The decision to still use lightning. Nobody cares about the iPhone from back then. People who read this thread are interested in iPhone XI not iPhone 5. I am not a police. It's pointless to label me as one. You asked me to stop. I asked you to stop. That's fair. I didn't label you as a police, did I?
You can say “it was about” but i responded to the words actually written, not the words you wish were written. And the point was, at the time that apple introduced lightning, it was by far the best solution on the market. It’s still better than usb-c as a connector, in fact (from a mechanical standpoint). As for switching to it now, the only comments I’ve made on the subject was pointing out poster after poster who registered with the forums in the last two or three days, and have only posted: 1) samsung is great, 2) usb-c whine whine whine, 3) headphone jack!, 4) notch yucky! Me hate!
 
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Yes, I agree. We should allow them to run at full potential. The point is back then iPhone can connect to MacBook via USB-A. Now it can't. What can you say to that?
That's not an iPhone issue, that's a MacBook issue. You have wireless connectivity, adapters and cables for that issue.
 
You don't have to stare at the back of a phone to appreciate a clean design. Not saying that this design is good or bad, but it is a totally valid reason for someone to not buy it because they don't like how the back of the phone looks. Heck, nearly all the phones out there nowadays look identical from the front anyways.

As for the FaceID vs TouchID argument, theres plenty of threads on that topic already. Bottom line is that there are trade-offs with the switch. It is perfectly valid to still want a TouchID over FaceID due to those trade offs. I am sure you are well aware of those trade-offs.

tldr: nothing irrational here.

Me not buying an iPhone because of how the “square camera patch” looks is like me not buying sneakers because I don’t like the bottom of the shoe. To each their own, but to me that’s an odd reason not to buy something.

I love Touch ID! There are times I miss it. There are positives and negatives to both technologies, but again... For people to not even give it a chance and just bash it and call it inferior is just strange.

My problem is that people make all these judgments without giving things a chance. Some people judging Face ID have never even used it! And everyone judging this new iPhone hasn’t seen the finished product.

It’s a lot of pent up anger against Apple and irrational fear. Apple wasn’t perfect under Steve Jobs and they aren’t perfect now. It is what it is.
 
Apple worked hard as hell to move that connective hardware to the outside of iPhones and into the Lightning cable: they are notoriously obsessive about the foreign components included on iPhone's logic board. Plus, like it or not, lightning is technically a more advanced and more flexible connector that reduces the internal complexity of iPhone. I'd say that is the biggest hold up here.

Considering the iPad Pro required additional chips (e.g. the PI3DPX1205A) on the logic board to support USB-C video out, I'd say you'll be holding your breath for quite awhile waiting for iPhone to get USB-C.
Thanks for sharing. I hope iPad pro can do more with those potentials.
 
i can't use the term "uglier", but i think what's going on with design direction is, and has been, 3 things:

1 a person such as Jonny was able to push materials suppliers (PCB, Modem, Camera, Display, etc) to invest in tech to get lighter and more compact materials. this included innovative ways to deal with heat dissipation.

2 but the above approach has met its limitations and is pushing against the extremes of current knowhow.

3 in light of hitting upper reaches of lighter and more compact dimensions a strategic design decision had to be made to allow non-symetrical elements to be used (non flat back caused by current limitations on camera elements; weird cut-out notch in display due to under/in display sensor tech not ready yet)

thus we are in a transitional period where form is dictated by function.

i hope that for Autumn 2020 models we begin to see tech for componentry catch up to again make beautiful symmetrical designs capable.
I want to believe what you say but I think it's also a lot about Apple's legacy mobile customer base and their revenue. They cannot afford to take any real engineering and design chances because they have so many customers that simply rely on a predictably functional camera and normal battery life. If Apple was way behind in marketshare and sales, you can guarantee that they would bring something truly innovative to the table that no others had thought of or were willing to try. Right now, Apple is the Microsoft from 20 years ago, big, bloated, slow and beholden to their legacy mobile customer base ahead of all their other customers and innovations.
 
Good for me, I stopped upgrading every year like a sheep and the first time I felt ripped off was from the 6s plus to iPhone 7 Plus. I’m going to stick with iPhone X and it will still look like the latest iPhone until a redesign. P.s. I hate the notch that much that I’m using a tweak to remove it so basically I’ve got an upgrade.
 
Okay, please tell me at least ONE advantage? Only one, please...
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Quite simple: No need for such a huge ugly notch. Touch ID works perfectly, very fast and I don't have to stare on my phone for unlocking it. So what's the use of Face ID? Animoji? Lol

Guess it’s hard to measure, and probably quite individual, but to me Face ID gives a lot better flow when I use the phone. Since most of the time I need to use it, Im are already looking at the screen.

Opening apps that require verification becomes faster and flawless when using FaceID since most of the time when you open an app you are looking at your screen.
It just happens, no action needed.
It just works.

Animoji is a big nuisance.
 
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if you search online or ask around,there are 1000s of complaints and examples where fingers accidentally partially covers the camera lens because of it's awkward corner location.it was less issue with small single lens but a growing problem with huge X series lens.

Please. Apple has almost a billion iPhone users. A few thousand complaints (if your post is correct) is nothing.

I just don’t understand how people can make the argument that because they’ve seen hundreds or thousands complaints online that there’s a widespread issue.

The vocal minority doesn’t represent the silent majority.
 
The camera house is weird. It doesn't look like an Apple design.

The layout of the 3 cameras looks extremely ugly to me. I hate how apple does not center the camera, and it looks like it will only be getting worse. The appearance of back of the phone isn't super important to me, but when I set the phone down on a table and it wobbles constantly, that does get annoying. I would happily take a slightly thicker phone with a larger batter, and NO camera bump!
 
Okay, please tell me at least ONE advantage? Only one, please...

- It’s more secure.
- It opens Apps that need verification as soon as the App is launched without having to perform a separate TouchID action.
- Same as above but also for logging into websites in Safari using stored passwords.
- Works with gloves, dirty or wet fingers.

FaceID isn’t better than TouchID for every possible scenario. But it’s better overall.
 
- It’s more secure.
- It opens Apps that need verification as soon as the App is launched without having to perform a separate TouchID action.
- Same as above but also for logging into websites in Safari using stored passwords.
- Works with gloves, dirty or wet fingers.

FaceID isn’t better than TouchID for every possible scenario. But it’s better overall.

This "more secure" argument is really funny. Oh yes, everyday dozens of strangers come along and unlock my iPhone 8 with their fingers because it only has Touch ID - lol. I sometimes ask myself, how much effort the marketing department of Apple has spent to get this irrelevant message in the heads of their customers. Maybe they should have invested this effort better in a more appealing design of the next iPhone generation.
 



SlashLeaks posts an image that is alleged to be iPhone XI and XI Max molds for 3rd party case production.

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These physical molds are presumably produced by case manufacturers based on leaked schematics to test early cases for the upcoming 2019 iPhones.

The front design is also shown on a Weibo post which may have been the original source for the images:

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The square grouping of the triple-camera is consistent with other rumors and images that have leaked from the supply chain regarding Apple's upcoming iPhones.

Article Link: Alleged iPhone XI and XI Max Molds Show Triple Camera Layout
Sooo very ugly and no 3D Touch. I’ll keep my Xs Max.
 
This "more secure" argument is really funny. Oh yes, everyday dozens of strangers come along and unlock my iPhone 8 with their fingers because it only has Touch ID - lol. I sometimes ask myself, how much effort the marketing department of Apple has spent to get this irrelevant message in the heads of their customers. Maybe they should have invested this effort better in a more appealing design of the next iPhone generation.

In practice it actually has been more secure, albeit in a different manner than realtuner may have meant. Look at the issue with users being tricked into high-priced subscriptions when they attempt to use the home-button to get out of a confirmation screen and instead touch-Id-confirm the subscription.

Personally, I prefer Face ID because:
1) it keeps retrying on its own if it can’t read my face at first
2) over time it’s gotten remarkably good at getting it the first time
3) it’s faster than Touch ID, in practice, at least for me. By the time I swipe up for the home screen it’s recognized me. Even more so for things like filling in passwords or in-app security. No need to reposition my thumb, it just knows I’m me.
4) it works even when i am wearing gloves, which is a lot of the time
 
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These are ugly as hell but I’m comforted by the fact that they are definitely not real. Look at the placement of the Apple logo and the iPhone name. Besides, case molds won’t have neither the Apple logo nor the name.



The next iPhone may end up having three cameras in this configuration but these molds are faker than fake.

You do realize that these are molds for case makers to design around the new camera models, so these are most likely legit?
 
Face ID is without a doubt improvement over Touch ID, but notch is atrocious. I hate how it killed status bar. I don't know if I am connected to VPN or DnD is enabled or battery percentage until I summon CC.
 
This "more secure" argument is really funny. Oh yes, everyday dozens of strangers come along and unlock my iPhone 8 with their fingers because it only has Touch ID - lol. I sometimes ask myself, how much effort the marketing department of Apple has spent to get this irrelevant message in the heads of their customers. Maybe they should have invested this effort better in a more appealing design of the next iPhone generation.

You asked for “just one advantage” in a snarky manner as if there isn’t even one and I gave you four. Yet you only criticized one. So I take it you agree the other three are clear advantages over TouchID?

As to security, when TouchID was tricked the Internet was flooded with people saying it’s not secure. My point is legitimate considering people claim you can fool TouchID with some tape, crazy glue and silly putty.

Nobody has hacked FaceID yet, despite many sophisticated attempts.
 
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