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Can all the people STILL complaining about the notch after 2 years offer an alternative that's not a punch hole or a blank slab that offers absolutely no uniqueness?
I'll take Face ID over any other lesser solution available.

The problem is, Apple made a problem that didn't even exist. They could have avoided the notch and slimmed down the bezels. Check the Nokia 9 PureView, Samsung Galaxy S8+ or the Xperia XZ3. Beautiful phones with no notch.
 
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Don't you think by this time that blueprint could be out of date as well?

If true, that blueprint would have already been used up in 2016 with the iPhone 7, five years after Jobs' death. We can argue the iPhone 8/8 Plus are Jobs' “last” iPhones, and iPhone X the “real” start or the Cook/Ive era.
 
Is it just me or would the ugliness of this (or any potential square camera bump) be significantly reduced if the camera was flush as it was on pre-6 iPhones?

When they introduced the first camera bump back in the day I was convinced they'd manage to get everything into the phone at some point; instead they're going the other direction!
 
If true, that blueprint would have already been used up in 2016 with the iPhone 7, five years after Jobs' death. We can argue the iPhone 8/8 Plus are Jobs' “last” iPhones, and iPhone X the “real” start or the Cook/Ive era.
I think one can argue the 5s was the last phone of the Jobs era, based on the anecdotal evidence Steve would have never released the iphone 6+. While it also can be argued that the apple product roadmap is probably years away, I don't think anyone knows if Jobs had any involvement in the iphone 6 and 6+.
 
People keep their iPhones 3-4 years nowadays... I guess flashy people will have to flash the back of their phone.

btw well over a billion people have Lightning on iPhones/iPads/AirPods. USB-C MacBook Pro and iPad Pro are less than 50 million. So I don’t see Apple changing the connector to make 1 in 20 people happy, while 19 out of 20 would be worse off.

Apple will supply a usb-c to lightning cable in the box with a charger that has a usb-c input/output. So... I can’ t understand people whining about it. You can hook up this iPhone to your MacBook and iPad , and you could use your macbook charger for your iPhone /ipad, etc.
so what is the point of having a usb-c iPhone ?
 
The problem is, Apple made a problem that didn't even exist. They could have avoided the notch and slimmed down the bezels. Check the Nokia 9 PureView, Samsung Galaxy S8+ or the Xperia XZ3. Beautiful phones with no notch.

What are phones without faceid but do have larger bezels that appeal to people that can’t afford iPhones?
 
Haha, looks like it’s another S cycle. Tim is running out of ideas. Pass.


I agree, when is Tim going to get rid of that dang rectangle! Can you post your triangle or whatever design you have in mind so we can maybe get a petition going? I personally like the rhomboid, shown below, but again, I am with you, Tim is clearly out of ideas when he keeps sketching the same dang rectangle for the factory to produce, every. dang. time!

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Apple will spend between 5-10 minutes of their presentation telling us why this camera layout is optimal and then show pictures and discuss how the camera layout allowed for the images to be so breathtaking. Admitting, without saying so, the layout is but ugly but it has to be for these images be be so fantastic. I can hear Tim saying the words… these fantastic images were only made possible…
I think you won’ t be able to see the lenses on the outside, it will have some coating on the camera bump to make it look black. You’ ll probably just see the flash in a big black square.
 
I tend to agree but Apple decided on edge to edge. You're going to have to stock upon older models if you insist on Touch ID.
LOL. There are plenty of other options. Ef Cook and Apple, I’ll buy a Galaxy before I ever go “notch”.
 
Yet another example of “arrogant” being used wrong (see earlier in thread).

The camera is where it is because when you hold the phone in your left hand and use the volume button as a trigger, you are guaranteed not to be covering the upper left corner.

Design is how it works, not what it looks like.

That’s great and all but the camera is in the upper right corner. When I put the phone in my left hand and thumb on the volume button... the camera is covered by my first two fingers.

Also, why would anyone design for people holding a phone in their left hand va holding a phone in their right hand, which is much more common around the world?
 
The notch whining is so tiresome. The notch is fine. It gives us more screen than the alternatives, indicates clearly which end is up, and frankly, if you went back in a time machine 20 years you’d all be amazed that such a thing would even be possible.

Didn’t say I was dumping my X but as I said it does everything I need. Don’t need a better camera or faster processor but whether it bothers you or not I do find having a chunk of content missing from one end endlessly annoying. I have no trouble figuring out what end is up and in a generation or two I guarantee they will have figured out ho to integrate all the sensors in the screen. I’m just saying I’m happy to wait until they figure it out...it’s the only thing that bugs me about my iPhone so will be the only reason to upgrade.
 
That’s great and all but the camera is in the upper right corner. When I put the phone in my left hand and thumb on the volume button... the camera is covered by my first two fingers.

Also, why would anyone design for people holding a phone in their left hand va holding a phone in their right hand, which is much more common around the world?

The camera is in the upper left corner when you are looking at it (in otherwords, your left, not the phone’s left). And who says holding it in the right hand is more common? I’m right handed and have never held it in my right hand to take a picture, because then I don’t have my right hand free, and then I can’t reach the volume button to take a photo.
 
Can all the people STILL complaining about the notch after 2 years offer an alternative that's not a punch hole or a blank slab that offers absolutely no uniqueness?
I'll take Face ID over any other lesser solution available.

The simplest solution is still the most obvious... the notch isn’t an issue with hardware design, it is software design. Black out the pixels (on the OLED phones) on either side of the notch with always white time/icons in the black. That’s all that’s up there anyway! It would look so much cleaner and not reduce any usable screen space. I’d also say it should just be permanently blacked out in landscape mode where it is most distracting.
 
The camera is in the upper left corner when you are looking at it (in otherwords, your left, not the phone’s left). And who says holding it in the right hand is more common? I’m right handed and have never held it in my right hand to take a picture, because then I don’t have my right hand free, and then I can’t reach the volume button to take a photo.

Who takes photos looking at the rear camera?

Do you have a Max by any chance? If I hold my X in my left hand in a way my thumb can control the volume buttons to take a photo, the lens is covered by my fingers which go diagonally up to the top right corner.

Anyhow, I do kind of agree with your sentiment but I think it's a case of you stumbling upon the right answer rather than it being clear cut. There's no way to hold an X/XS in the right hand and both be able to use the volume button and cover the camera.
 
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The notch looks much better than those chin/forehead phones.

The notch according to an optimist or pessimist:

- Optimist: I get two extra status bars on the top of my phone instead of a wasted bezel all the way across.
- Pessimist: Apple is taking away some of my screen by putting that ugly notch. I’d rather just have a smaller screen and a bezel.
 
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I've literally had each generation of iPhone since the very first one (had to import it from the US and sim unlock back in the days!) and it used to be a moment of joy to discover the rumors about the new version, watch the keynote and wait for the device to arrive in my hands every year.

But over the past couple of years, this excitement has sadly toned down to the point of indifference and constant disappointment. Apple just doesn't surprise me anymore, and iOS even frustrates me nowadays. It feels old, and limiting. Simple things like defaulting to DuckDuckGo Browser (not just search) for example are still not possible on iOS.
Not to mention that the design of this (expensive!) device used to be a statement in itself, that most, if not all, were amazed by. You were buying a piece of electronics that was "more than just computer chips" and Apple was always about the "experience of ownership" not necessarily the specs or the raw power.

This new iteration's design, if true, simply looks incredibly tasteless to the point that I'm not even considering buying it. I'm not against Apple innovating with VR or 3D, but that race should not come to the detriment of the design of the device itself. Would you buy a luxury sports car that was incredibly ugly, no matter how fast it would go? They typically go hand-to-hand.

I've never, ever, liked Android. Yet, I used a Galaxy S10 for a while and the excitement I was talking about above was alive. It's polished and more refined. Now, I won't be switching to Android because of the Apple ecosystem that I own, and funny enough, CarPlay being the only option in my car, but I do feel "stuck" and unhappy with it, and Apple has definitely lost my desire to purchase this product if they continue on this path.
 
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I was also hoping for the new iPhones to adopt the same design language as the latest iPad Pros. I was never more excited for the design of the iPhone as I was when the 4 was introduced. 5 was even better and is still my favorite overall. Design and form factor aside, I am looking forward to a wider angle lens if that is indeed what the third lens is for. Hopefully that will extend to the video focal length which is almost always too close.
 
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