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jonblatho

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Pretty much everyone I know are effected by this economically.

0 people I know who are effected by this health wise.
I know someone who’s affected by COVID health-wise.

It’s me — right now — along with three family members and possibly a couple more, pending results. And we’ve all tried our best to do things right since March.

And which products would those be?
“Clean” coal, probably?
 

9927036

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On the other side of the coin are Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, plus Australia and New Zealand.

Japan -- with a population 38% the size of the USA's -- has about 2828 cumulative COVID-19 deaths as of December 19th. The USA has 306,345.


If you look at COVID-19 death rate by 100K people:

  • UK: 100.4 deaths per 100K
  • USA: 93.3 deaths per 100K
  • Canada: 37 deaths per 100K
  • Australia: 3.6 deaths per 100K
  • Japan: 2.2 deaths per 100K
  • South Korea: 1.3 deaths per 100K
  • New Zealand: 0.5 deaths per 100K
  • Taiwan: <0.1 deaths per 100K

It's worth noting that the population density in those three Asian countries is far higher than the USA and they also are extremely heavy users of mass transit. Compared to the USA, Japan has a far larger percentage of senior citizens (their average life expectancy is #1 of all industrialized nations) who are the greatest risk of COVID-19 fatalities.

Japan's suicide rate is higher than its COVID-19 fatality rate.
We need to fix that. USA #1. /s
 

MacHiavelli

macrumors 65816
May 17, 2007
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Many people don't understand that the point of masks is to prevent you from spreading the disease to others. If the disease is spread mostly by droplets, then masks prevent those droplets from getting into the air. That is the function of masks. It's not the same function as wearing one in a wildfire to protect yourself from smoke. It's protecting others from you.
I understand. Completely.

People touch masks all the time and then touch things around them, spreading concentrated dirt and germs wherever they go. Breathing isn't the issue. It's the concentration and the spreading through touch. And because of that, masks make things far, far worse. People smear germs everywhere because of the masks.

And masks don't stop droplets being spread around.
 

9927036

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It's absolutely being politicized. Democrats want you to wear masks and shut things down, Republicans think the damage to the economy isn't worth the health benefits. Unfortunately the real effect of shut downs would've been early on in the pandemic and we didn't do it as well as we should have when we should have. Now it's too late for shut downs to be of any real help; I don't think shutting down Apple Stores is going to make a difference. The vaccine is the only thing that can help now. But even that will be a problem if too many people are resistant to getting it.
An even bigger problem now is that the government has not secured enough doses to cover the population. Only about 50% it seems. Latest news from the Biden folks is that the vaccine won't be generally available until Summer or Fall 2021. Now that is a catastrophe.
 

ThisBougieLife

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Jan 21, 2016
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I understand. Completely.

People touch masks all the time and then touch things around them, spreading concentrated dirt and germs wherever they go. Breathing isn't the issue. It's the concentration and the spreading through touch. And because of that, masks make things far, far worse. People smear germs everywhere because of the masks.

And masks don't stop droplets being spread around.

Except the disease is spread mostly through the air through close contact with others, not on surfaces. And masks are not 100% in stopping droplets from being spread but if they are worn properly, they do make a difference.
 

nitramluap

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There you have it folks. Let’s just shut the world down. Shut it down! We’re closed!
Well... if the whole world just did that for a few weeks it's likely that we'd all have been back to normal in no time, with limited cases, better quarantining & minimal impact to the economies (ie. like New Zealand & Australia).

We're not out of the woods by any means.
 

Bazooka-joe

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Mar 12, 2012
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Boris made it worse. Did you see the people jam packed at Kings Cross and other stations?

I agree, I can't see the end to this for several years both in the UK and the USA.
Yeah I saw that on the news. People heading out to London to go to the North and down to the south coast. They should’ve shut the train stations down and kept people in London
 

jonblatho

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Jan 20, 2014
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I must say, though, that temperature checks are a very imperfect way to detect COVID-19. I was exposed to someone who later tested positive for COVID last Saturday, became sick with COVID symptoms on Thursday, tested positive myself yesterday, and I haven’t had a fever since my exposure.

The presence of a fever means you may have COVID-19 (or one of a litany of other possible causes for a fever), but the lack thereof certainly doesn’t mean you don’t have COVID-19.

Tesla Cars, Apple computers, the best space program, the smartest engineers, and pretty much every social media platform you run. Oh yeah, and it’s America, which is the best country to live in, period.
Apple only makes one computer in the United States and it’s a niche product.
 

Baymowe335

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Well... if the whole world just did that for a few weeks it's likely that we'd all have been back to normal in no time, with limited cases, better quarantining & minimal impact to the economies (ie. like New Zealand & Australia).

We're not out of the woods by any means.
Yeah, “if only” it would be fine, right? Unfortunately, we can’t test this failed logic. Much more likely is we would be where we are now bc locking down perfectly is impossible.
 

nitramluap

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Apr 26, 2015
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Yeah, “if only” it would be fine, right? Unfortunately, we can’t test this failed logic. Much more likely is we would be where we are now bc locking down perfectly is impossible
Well, it's worked in my country... and our Apple Stores have been open for months. No community transmission, etc. It can totally be done.
 

SnacksGU

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May 21, 2018
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As an American, I couldn't agree more. I mainly blame our education system, to be honest, it's probably worse than third world countries. The Trump cult is very prominent and the politicians are inciting misinformation while getting the best treatment when they get sick.

To be on-topic, glad I picked up my MacBook yesterday, apple stores are closed indefinitely.
Cause all issues are a result of ignorance.
 
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Populus

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Hey, what about refunds? I bouhgt something in the store and maybe I want to return it to get more storage etc... If my local Apple Store closes, what should I do to return an Item?
 

Baymowe335

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Meanwhile, almost all stores in New York are still open, and hospitalizations are flattening there.
Yeah, because transmission isn’t a result of shopping at freaking Apple store in all likelihood. Transmission happens when families and friends are bored of lockdown, and gather in homes, apartments and exempt areas with no precautions.
 
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