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I had the Macbook Pro and mine generated a ton of heat and was noisy. Maybe they will make this one better, but those problems were never fixed even when they knew it.

A new aluminum casing isn't enough to make me "upgrade." Others will make their own decisions.

Ive never had problems like what you describe. I cant hear my mbp at all and it gets warm, but no warmer then any other laptop. Sounds like you had a bad one.
 
Ive never had problems like what you describe. I cant hear my mbp at all and it gets warm, but no warmer then any other laptop. Sounds like you had a bad one.

Apple certainly had a bad run when they released the rev. A MBP. A lot of people complained about noise, heat and other things.

They fixed these bugs in the Core 2 models - too bad for the 'first adopters'.
 
I always admired the 12" Powerbook. I think it was one of Apple's better product lines - if the MB get's the Alu treatment with decent speed increase, it may be time to switch to the new lineup for me...
 
How about a banana flavored mac mini that would fit up your 'EAR?

For that purpose wouldn't one prefer a mac mini that was shaped like a banana?

But my ear is ear-shaped, not banana-shaped.

Or, should it be my rear you're referring to, it's still not banana-shaped.

Still, I defer to your wisdom and experience on these matters . . . ;)

Haha, yup. But it was fun while it lasted :p

Now if only my (r)ear were brick-shaped, then the fun truly would never, ever cease!

It's all about the BRICK!
 
Apple certainly had a bad run when they released the rev. A MBP. A lot of people complained about noise, heat and other things.

Not me. My only complaint was how it tasted. It's true! Sure, I never posted my complaints, but only because by the time I'd worked out how to extract my tongue from the slot drive, the moment had passed.
 
I wonder if this is any sort of precursor to an iMac update, I'm unsure whether to wait or buy one now (I don't need it until early 2009, but still.
 
Noooo!!!

Dammit Dammit.... NO full size DVI???

I've been waiting months to buy a laptop for business. We are a design company with 30" displays, it is absolutely essential that Macbook Pro's can be used with the 30" displays.

Our designers take the laptops home to do work and plug into displays there, then come to the studio and plug into the 30".

I can't believe Apple may remove the full size DVI fromt he PRO laptop. JUst another step towards consumer products and forgetting the core users who kept them alive for years! (and who spend £1000's not £100's)

I'm not pleased to hear this and will be emailing sjobs@apple.com
 
Dammit Dammit.... NO full size DVI???

I've been waiting months to buy a laptop for business. We are a design company with 30" displays, it is absolutely essential that Macbook Pro's can be used with the 30" displays.

Our designers take the laptops home to do work and plug into displays there, then come to the studio and plug into the 30".

I can't believe Apple may remove the full size DVI fromt he PRO laptop. JUst another step towards consumer products and forgetting the core users who kept them alive for years! (and who spend £1000's not £100's)

I'm not pleased to hear this and will be emailing sjobs@apple.com

Who said they won't make them work with 30" screens? You are just speculating based on rumours and speculations. Whose knows what dongles will come out or what the specific mini dvi plug will be able to do
 
In an effort to further reduce the notebook footprint, the new MacBook Pro is said to be eliminating the Firewire 400 port and the 28-pin DVI-I (Dual Link) port. Instead, the cases will contain the smaller (but still backward compatible) Firewire 800 port and "what appears to be" a mini-DVI port.


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Will there only be a firewire 800 port or will the USB2 port remain. Forgive my ignorance but isn't USB2 faster than firewire 800 (albeit the usb bus has always been fairly problematic)? Anyone know?
 
Fewture,

Yes I am speculating, it is a rumour...but it could also happen. As you say "we don't know what MINI will do" I just hope Apple don't do something stupid here.
 
Aww, I was kind of looking forward to getting a plastic MB. But given that it's going to have a internal update too then I won't bother and just wait for the new model :)

Can't wait to see what they've come up with.
 
I wonder if this is any sort of precursor to an iMac update, I'm unsure whether to wait or buy one now (I don't need it until early 2009, but still.

Well, for what it is worth: The refurb section in the German apple store is LOADED with current-gen machines (including iMacs).

There is usually just the one odd item to be found (Germany is not one of Apples major playgrounds), but now it is bursting and I can only guess that they are trying to clear inventory before the new stuff arrives...

Edit: Other than that people have noticed that the delivery time of the 3 ghz model has been stepped up to 3 days from 24h (worldwide).
 
Powerbook Generation

I believe this next upgrade is highly sensitive as a lot of the older powerbooks will be upgraded and that was really a hard act to follow especially in build quality and design. It stands as a tribute to them that they are still considered a modern design 5 years plus on. The mbp was never a quantum leap in design. I don't really think the all aluminium look can be beaten it's a design classic timeless. Change for changes sake is never a good idea. This update will be critical in the history of apple.
 
this could be huge

Well now maybe I will finally replace my 12" powerbook G4! It has been an unbeatable computer. It has its second keyboard, second battery, second (larger) harddrive, its maxed out on memory, and it's running 10.5.5. like a champ. When I travel to remote parts of the world it goes in my carry on. With its classic lines and compact size it often generates comments even today. I have wanted the power of the core 2 duo since it came out, but there was always something...nasty plastic case of the MB, MBP too big...this could be the Goldilocks version.

On the mini-DVI, don't sweat it, its amazing what you can do with a mini-DVI. With the help of a $9.95 DVI-HDMI adapter I display DVDs from my pbook on a 42" HDTV: presto I can watch PAL DVDs from any region on a US TV...
 
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Has anyone noticed that the Apple logo on this guys shirt is backwards.....
Tells me that if nothing else the screen image is photoshopped, and not very well if it is supposed to be the real thing.:confused:
 
Has anyone noticed that the Apple logo on this guys shirt is backwards.....
Tells me that if nothing else the screen image is photoshopped, and not very well if it is supposed to be the real thing.:confused:

I noticed the same thing. A pretty poor attempt at conning us to think that's the real deal. He's taken the picture in front of the mirror not realizing that had the iSight taken the picture, the logo would be the right way.

Joshua.
 
Well now maybe I will finally replace my 12" powerbook G4! It has been an unbeatable computer. It has its second keyboard, second battery, second (larger) harddrive, its maxed out on memory, and it's running 10.5.5. like a champ. When I travel to remote parts of the world it goes in my carry on. With its classic lines and compact size it often generates comments even today. I have wanted the power of the core 2 duo since it came out, but there was always something...nasty plastic case of the MB, MBP too big...this could be the Goldilocks version.

On the mini-DVI, don't sweat it, its amazing what you can do with a mini-DVI. With the help of a $9.95 DVI-HDMI adapter I display DVDs from my pbook on a 42" HDTV: presto I can watch PAL DVDs from any region on a US TV...

"I am huge its the pictures that got bigger"
 
Has anyone noticed that the Apple logo on this guys shirt is backwards.....
Tells me that if nothing else the screen image is photoshopped, and not very well if it is supposed to be the real thing.:confused:

I noticed the same thing. A pretty poor attempt at conning us to think that's the real deal. He's taken the picture in front of the mirror not realizing that had the iSight taken the picture, the logo would be the right way.


He/she has taken a photo of himself using Photo Booth which 'flips' the image. Hence the Apple logo is the wrong way.

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Well now maybe I will finally replace my 12" powerbook G4! It has been an unbeatable computer. It has its second keyboard, second battery, second (larger) harddrive, its maxed out on memory, and it's running 10.5.5. like a champ. When I travel to remote parts of the world it goes in my carry on. With its classic lines and compact size it often generates comments even today. I have wanted the power of the core 2 duo since it came out, but there was always something...nasty plastic case of the MB, MBP too big...this could be the Goldilocks version.

On the mini-DVI, don't sweat it, its amazing what you can do with a mini-DVI. With the help of a $9.95 DVI-HDMI adapter I display DVDs from my pbook on a 42" HDTV: presto I can watch PAL DVDs from any region on a US TV...

In every Mac forum I've read, the 12" MBP seems to be the product best-loved by its owners and most missed in each new MBP roll out.

I very much hope Apple bring a significantly smaller MBP-level machine out with the next set of releases.
 
Ive never had problems like what you describe. I cant hear my mbp at all and it gets warm, but no warmer then any other laptop. Sounds like you had a bad one.

Maybe so. 2 of my friends must of gotten bad ones also and others who have posted on this board. Don't get me wrong, I like the MBP. Great laptop. However it did have problems. I sold it 3 months after I got it for almost what I paid for it. It was an impulse buy and to be honest I didn't need that much in a laptop for what I do. I had the money to spend (I have been fortunate in my life--money has never been an issue with me), but I couldn't justify spending that much for a machine I wouldn't ever use to its capabilities. I think many who buy it don't really use it and can easily use the MB instead for their purposes. Another thing is I thought I liked aluminum, but the more I had it the more I started to hate aluminum (it is a personal choice). My black Macbook is plenty enough for me and for what I do.
 
Dude, you don't get it. Prices are NOT fixed by costs. It's a free world (as our former communist comrads in China are proving to us on a daily basis) and vendors are free to set their prices, and people vote with their pocketbook.
Oh, I get it – you need not worry.
I just disagree that you get anything for the extra money as you were claiming. You were saying that Apple laptops were of higher quality, and it is that claim I'm disagreeing with. Further, just like vendors are more or less (not entirely, as an example is dumping, or if taking advantage of a monopoly) free to set their prices, so do consumer have every right to point their finger when the emperor walks around with no clothes on.


If the Apple MBP is such a commodity, easy to replace, how come there isn't another system provider that has created their own operating system (whether or not it has open source components), on hardware of their own design (based on commodity components), that had developed such a revenue base? Nobody has.
Again, you seem to get a bit confused as to what we're discussing. First you try to say that the MBP's quality is worth the extra money, and now you try to use an appeal to popularity as an argument, which, as most should know is a logical fallacy, and therefore an invalid argument. Besides, it's the iPod that have made Apple into a company with a broad appeal.


Microsoft is selling software, Dell/IBM/HP/Gateway/Acer/Sony/blah-blah-blah are selling hardware (and reselling software). Nobody else "owns" the system, they own a part of the system.
Why do you need to make such pseudo arguments? It doesn't matter if nobody else "owns" the system or not – unless of course, you believe that it's true what all the other fanboys run around and claim: That it makes for better "integration". :rolleyes:


If it's such a commodity, then someone else should step up and take over the profits that Apple is reaping.
Utterly invalid argument. It's a logical fallacy when one claims what you're claiming. In reality you could claim anything. For instance "Apple has the best products ever, otherwise they wouldn't be making so much money or be so popular", "Apple's closed kingdom is the best way to run a company, otherwise they wouldn't be making so much money or be so popular", "Apples products are flawless, otherwise they wouldn't be making so much money or be so popular" and on and on. All of them utter invalid, of course.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.html

But it's not ~easy~ to do so. That is why Apple can charge so much: They are the only one offering the combined system. Whether you call it integration or "an experience", everyone else is strapping Windows and/or Linux on their hardware, or selling Windows. Nobody else controls the whole experience.
Who cares? See above.




I get it. You treat food as fuel. Food in, sewage out. That's what life is to you.
Is it possible you could act more ignorant? I guess you feel it's necessary to misconstrue what I say on purpose, in order to defend your opinion. We wouldn't want to actually understand an argument, would we?
I treat LAPTOPS as TOOLS. THAT was the comparison.




So Intel systems are turds? Why are you so passionate about them then, mister "you have a bad analogy"?
Again, with the attempt to twist what I say, mixed in with purposely ignorance, all in order for you to make-believe your analogy still works.
I was using a rewrite of the "you can polish a turd, but it's still a turd", because I tried to tell you, that your analogy about how expensive the rent was in that restaurant (as if the MBP had more costs associated with it than its competitors) wasn't proper, and that even if does, it's the innards of a laptop that matters when your analogy is comparing a BWM and Honda.
You never stop to wonder why I think you have some really crappy analogies? Oh, that's right you do – you just choose to misinterpret what I say in order to make the analogy survive :rolleyes:



I wasn't comparing a 2008 product with a 1995 product, mister "Reading Comprehension Runner Up". I'm telling you I am a PC enthusiast, who has spent way more money on PCs than Macs, for a long time.
Yes you were. You backed that up by using a 1995 product's price and thus implicitly made a comparison. You seem to forget the context here. We're talking about MBPs in 2008, so when you suddenly talk about the price of PC's and invoke the product price from a 1995 product, you are indeed making comparisons.
It looks like my reading comprehension far surpass your writing and deduction skille.


The fact that you say there are no qualitative differences between vendors amazes me.
I don't say that. I'm saying that Apple specifically doesn't have anything OVER the competitors.

They all operate the same, are identically reliable, are just as easy to use, etc.? yeah, right.
See above, and please stop with your continued use of strawman argumentation.




Grossly ignorant post. The point is that your opinion and my opinion differ. If you think that all people should share your opinion, you are closed minded. How are you going to justify your superiority if everyone was just like you? You need people like us, to look down on, to satisfy your existence.
What do you mean "people like [you]"? Oh, you must mean the fanboy part? No, it's not a need I have, I just call it when I see it.


Just like the Honda driver and the BMW driver in my example look down on each other, and neither is wrong, and neither is right.
Oh, so by your own admission you look down on people who uses a pc? Excellent. I guess I was right when I called you a fanboy.
 
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