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Amazon Listing for Dual 2.7 Ghz PowerMac
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Sorry if someone else pointed this out, don't have time to go through nearly 300 posts, but did anyone notice the prices that Amazon listed for the new PM's?
Dual 2.0GHz - $1994.99
Dual 2.3Ghz - $2494.99
Dual 2.7Ghz - $2994.99
So a paltry upgrade in 10 months, and all we get is a $5 price drop
Dual 2.0GHz - $1994.99
Dual 2.3Ghz - $2494.99
Dual 2.7Ghz - $2994.99
So a paltry upgrade in 10 months, and all we get is a $5 price drop
tromboneaholic said:
I didn't say "Steve would go bonkers," others on this forum made that statement. However it would not phase me if he did...he deserves whatever distress he gets since he has caused distress with many of his flock.
As an authorized reseller of Apple products, I am sure Apple has a contract clause somewhere restricting release of new information before a specified date and time which Amazon must comply with. So I disagree with your Tide/Walmart analogy.
I bought my PB 17 from Amazon because they had a $150 rebate.
inkswamp said:You're new around here, aren't you?
(And yes, I agree with every word you said. Not many others around here will however.)
Well I'm new to the forum, but not to the site. I've been around the site for a very long time, and follow the rumors as much as the next person. But people forget that they are RUMORS!
You all get so worked up about potential features and specs listed by sites that claim to have inside sources and then when REALITY hits, you all cry and whine and say "Apple has done it this time!" but in reality, Apple just gave a speed bump. New PowerMacs were only promised by those rumor sites, not by Apple, so PLEASE stop complaining and realize that in a few months when WWDC rolls around, you'll all be happy again...as long as you don't take those rumors for more then they're worth!
btw I love this site, I just don't let rumors get my hopes up
vtprinz said:Sorry if someone else pointed this out, don't have time to go through nearly 300 posts, but did anyone notice the prices that Amazon listed for the new PM's?
Dual 2.0GHz - $1994.99
Dual 2.3Ghz - $2494.99
Dual 2.7Ghz - $2994.99
So a paltry upgrade in 10 months, and all we get is a $5 price drop
I agree with you completely. These machines should all be $500 less, not $5 less, after all this time with the same basic specs.
The really sad part is the $5 is from Amazon. That's why it only shows it in the cart. It is an unadvertised price below the MSRP.
So far Apple gave us no price drop on the price points.
NevadaJack said:
Why do you disagree?
Having worked with several Fortune 500 companies that sold product through Walmart, I can assure you that the retailer has all the power.
I guess you missed the point of my post: Amazon is one of Apple's biggest customers. Why would Apple do something to upset one of its biggest customers?
Edit:
I agree with you that there is likely a clause in the contract restricting this sort of early release, but I hardly think it reads: "Steve will go ballistic and do something really bad."
csubear said:
Actually it will be worse than the 2 year old model. It won't have PCI-X, won't have 8GB max RAM either. What a joke. Should be $1299 at most given that it still only has 1 optical and 2 HD bays.
jauh said:
That's odd. I was reading this review (http://www.armari.co.uk/) only a few days ago and the DC opterons had not been released yet. Where did you find those prices??
Even still the cheapest Dual-core opteron starts at £682.38 which translates to something closer to $1000.00 in the US. (Yes, we are seriously being ripped off here...).
This also means that the price of a dual dual-core opteron 265 system will be marginaly cheaper than the high end 2.7Ghz G5.
And if you consider the fact that the pc prices start dropping after about a month from the time of release, imagine the price/performance gap between Apple and Amd by lets say September.
This is so dissapointing...
tromboneaholic said:
perhaps this is the reason apple doesn't deal with walmart? it appears steve doesn't like being pushed around too much. of course, this is not to say amazon has no say and apple can do whatever it wants, but apple does not do certain things the way others do. if they did, they may actually have larger market share...
my two cents... (disclaimer: i never dealt with fortune 500 companies to sell stuff through walmart. i, however, do deal with some other, modestly smaller companies and handle deals in $M's, so i wouldn't call myself a complete novice at this.)
tromboneaholic said:
I really don't care what Apple does or does not do to Amazon. If you have read this complete thread you would see that many see this as something Steve Jobs will "go bonkers over" and "spill blood." My comments related to whatever Steve Jobs does or does not do is of his own choosing due to his phobia for secrecy.
I am sure you know what you are talking about but knowing Steve Jobs and his lawyers, the Reseller Agreement for Apple is air tight and he dictates when a new product will be announced for sale to the public, not the Reseller.
@joeboy_45101;
Just for your information. A couple of years ago IBM innovated the SOI or SSOI design for cpu's. AMD tried to implement this technological innovation into the now already current Opteron & Athlon64 lineup that PC users have loved for the last 2 years. Initially AMD couldn't get it done right. They went back to IBM to be shown; as being told to do it wasnt enough for those genious'; how to do it.
I'm hoping that the recent deal between Lenovo & IBM allows Apple to purchase chips from Lenovo.....maybe not dual core G4/G5's but it should - if possible - to make the chips much cheaper than purchasing from IBM. Better savings to all of Apple's customers.
Either way I'm still hoping that no announcement is official or to be made by Apple at all. I only want to see dual cores.
Just for your information. A couple of years ago IBM innovated the SOI or SSOI design for cpu's. AMD tried to implement this technological innovation into the now already current Opteron & Athlon64 lineup that PC users have loved for the last 2 years. Initially AMD couldn't get it done right. They went back to IBM to be shown; as being told to do it wasnt enough for those genious'; how to do it.
I'm hoping that the recent deal between Lenovo & IBM allows Apple to purchase chips from Lenovo.....maybe not dual core G4/G5's but it should - if possible - to make the chips much cheaper than purchasing from IBM. Better savings to all of Apple's customers.
Either way I'm still hoping that no announcement is official or to be made by Apple at all. I only want to see dual cores.
fobishduck said:
I agree with most of what you said actually, but doesn't Walmart sell iPods?
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3264563
rog said:
And probably a 1/3 bus instead of 1/2, too.
But the new dual 2.3 is a nice model. When the refurbs show up I might get one of those to replace my single 1.6.another round of lackluster powermac and powerbook releases down, another year until we'll see apple adopt a replacement processor that will inspire me to buy something. i managed to skip the G3 processor entirely and from the looks of it i'll be skipping the G5 as well.
NevadaJack said:
I never attacked what you said. I was merely picking up on your comment that collected many sentiments in the thread.
I was talking to you about them, if anything, and not really about your points regarding secrecy.
Actually, in regards to secrecy, one of the first personal computer companies went belly up when they announced an upgrade was coming. Everyone stopped buying the current model in anticipation of the announced upgrade. The company ran out of money before the upgrade could be produced.
Hiroshige said:
Sorry about the double-post. I have Win64 running on my Athlon64 system, and I have found that a LOT of applications, and all older device drivers, won't work. Before you go to Win64, consider what you're planning to run on it.
blackcrayon said:Notice how the G4, with its "pathetic" 167 Mhz bus, still competes more or less with the G5 clock for clock (of course most G5s are higher clocked than most G4s)... So yeah bus speed helps but I still say it's mostly the CPU clock
Exactly, the G5 has been a huge disappointment. Faster bus, true DDR, and hypertransport has resulted in squat. In some tasks a same Ghz G4 actually beats a G5, and at best the G5 is 20% faster at the same clock speed. You think Apple would at least give us things like 400GB superfast hard drives, high end graphics card, and far more USB2 and FW 400 & FW800 ports in an epensive Pro machine given how little progress they've made on the CPU front. It used to be Apple churned out faster and faster computers all the time. In the early 90s, within a few years they went from 33 Mhz 68030s to 132Mhz PPC 604s, which were something like 10 time faster. In 2 years of the G5, only the most expensive machine is now about 30% faster.
I was ready to replace my MDD DP 867 but not now. I can't shell out $2000 for something that is only about twice as fast and far less expandable.
rog said:
I bought my Dual 2.0Ghz last July on Refurb. It's a first generation, but the only real difference was a different model of video card(Still 64megs of VRAM), and a slower Optical Burner. I payed $2000 for it. The new specs for the dual 2.0 are rather discusting. I'll keep my accessability for 8 gigs of Ram and PCI-X slots and probably just get a better optical drive later...
Naive question
umm ... this may sound pretty dumb but why are most of you so sure that they are not "dual core" processors? Is it only because Amazon didn't say so? Are they too cheap to be dual core? One clue would be the L2 cache I suppose, but that's not listed in the Amazon specs. Just curious as to why most are resigned to the fact that they are not dual core. Amazon also doesn't list graphics card specs, although it's all but certain that they won't be 64 MB but rather 128 MB at least...
I've been waiting 6 years to upgrade my B/W G3 tower (it had hardware problems out of the box, freezes constantly), and I think this is going to be it. So despite all the disappointment with the specs, I'm pretty excited to have a G5 dual processor with Tiger...
umm ... this may sound pretty dumb but why are most of you so sure that they are not "dual core" processors? Is it only because Amazon didn't say so? Are they too cheap to be dual core? One clue would be the L2 cache I suppose, but that's not listed in the Amazon specs. Just curious as to why most are resigned to the fact that they are not dual core. Amazon also doesn't list graphics card specs, although it's all but certain that they won't be 64 MB but rather 128 MB at least...
I've been waiting 6 years to upgrade my B/W G3 tower (it had hardware problems out of the box, freezes constantly), and I think this is going to be it. So despite all the disappointment with the specs, I'm pretty excited to have a G5 dual processor with Tiger...