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Amazon Listing for Dual 2.7 Ghz PowerMac
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uncle said:
That looks like what I got pretty much. Expect I think I only see 3 RAM DIMMs (3 pairs of 2 = 6 slots). I thought they only came with 4 pairs - 8GB RAM max - or 2 pairs - 4GB RAM max.
And the CPU fans are not there, but I think that's just to see the board more.
I have to agree with you rockthecasbah all those false rummors and unkept promise from Steve (where Apple still depends on IBM chips) make our hopes fall short with each new revamp.
Why people still fight for more Ghz. Wasn't MegaHerts myth cleared with the introduction of a G4 chip. Those Dual 2.7 Ghz G5 are as fast as current technology, and knowlege about it, alowes it to be.
Some one on this thread made a good point that these chips don;t lack in permormence, but the drivers that run the hardware.
Here is my suggestion. Apple just finished development of Tiger. Before they start working on another version of OS X, they should have some time to be able to optimize number of drivers, like OpenGL. If not, then maybe its the nature of OS X and its Unix platforme.
Why people still fight for more Ghz. Wasn't MegaHerts myth cleared with the introduction of a G4 chip. Those Dual 2.7 Ghz G5 are as fast as current technology, and knowlege about it, alowes it to be.
Some one on this thread made a good point that these chips don;t lack in permormence, but the drivers that run the hardware.
Here is my suggestion. Apple just finished development of Tiger. Before they start working on another version of OS X, they should have some time to be able to optimize number of drivers, like OpenGL. If not, then maybe its the nature of OS X and its Unix platforme.
Maybe someone has already covered this, but the 2.7 ghz PMs are almost certainly water-cooled. Thinksecret has indicated that these come with only 512K L2 cache, which mean they're the same 970fxs as in the last iteration. From the look of things, all the specs (including the AGP8x, PCI-X, etc.) are the same except for the modest increase in CPU and bus speed.cr2sh said:
As others have noted, the 2.3s are most likely the upper limit of what they can air-cool. The Xserves top out at 2.3 ghz probably for the same reason.
On a pessimistic note, we probably won't see another update until MWSF 2006, which is 8+ months away. IBM must be having a bitch of a time churning out 90nm CPUs, still.
While the PMs are still generally competitive with what the x86 world has to offer, the development of the G5s have been truly disappointing, given the promises originally made. Apple-IBM were expecting about 50% increase in processor speed every year. Instead, we're on something like 16% increase per year, which is quite sad. MOTO, even with all their struggles, still managed to eke out 15-20% increases every 6 months. So IBM-Apple's current struggles are unprecedented, just to put things into perspective.
Its the MOBO which is important.
If the MOBO still features PCI-X and AGP then this is truly a dismal update. However it Apple has redesigned it and included proper PCI-Express then the machines could kick some serious ass. I reckon the first is the case and we wont be seeing PCI-Express Macs for quite some time
If the MOBO still features PCI-X and AGP then this is truly a dismal update. However it Apple has redesigned it and included proper PCI-Express then the machines could kick some serious ass. I reckon the first is the case and we wont be seeing PCI-Express Macs for quite some time
quta said:
Careful now...
Dual core CPUs can share data between the cores are higher data rates and with lower latency then dual CPU systems. They also can share aspects of the chain cache between them and main memory which can improve bulk data sharing and hits rates. This can yield gains in overall SMP throughput (how much depends on lots of factors and the tasks at hand).
Knowing how the Power5 (see this page) is implemented it makes sense that IBM would attempt some level of efficient core to core communication in the rumored PPC970MP.
booo, tiger is nice, but dual core or *more* extras would be better!
sad confirmation...
lol, oh well, I guess that Rev A 2.0 Dual was a really good investment when I reccomended it for work! Heck 2 years running and it still has a better GPU and more ram than the top of the line PM-standard, and the same size HDD!!
sad though, I would echo others in that 1GB+ of ram and a top-tier GPU would have been nice, at least for $3000. Dual 1000RPM Sata HDDs anyone?
I mean, PC laptops costing >$1k come with 512mb, Dell long since bumped their 8400/XPSs (not to mention workstations) up to 1-2+GB standard, and THEY feature GT6800s for a fraction of the cost...
maybe this means some nice refurb 2.5s? It seems increasingly hard to differentiate performance-wise between the older PMs and the new, which is too bad for Apple in terms of upgraders... I would never switch back, but this is dissappointing none the less... less workstation-like, more imac-like each passing day...
[edit] also, why the obsession with PCIe??!!!! Do you seriously intend to GAME with your PM? Updated drivers/optimisation (tiger?) would be a much better update all around, even for that (barring an improved multi-bus PCI system)...
sad confirmation...
lol, oh well, I guess that Rev A 2.0 Dual was a really good investment when I reccomended it for work! Heck 2 years running and it still has a better GPU and more ram than the top of the line PM-standard, and the same size HDD!!
sad though, I would echo others in that 1GB+ of ram and a top-tier GPU would have been nice, at least for $3000. Dual 1000RPM Sata HDDs anyone?
I mean, PC laptops costing >$1k come with 512mb, Dell long since bumped their 8400/XPSs (not to mention workstations) up to 1-2+GB standard, and THEY feature GT6800s for a fraction of the cost...
maybe this means some nice refurb 2.5s? It seems increasingly hard to differentiate performance-wise between the older PMs and the new, which is too bad for Apple in terms of upgraders... I would never switch back, but this is dissappointing none the less... less workstation-like, more imac-like each passing day...
[edit] also, why the obsession with PCIe??!!!! Do you seriously intend to GAME with your PM? Updated drivers/optimisation (tiger?) would be a much better update all around, even for that (barring an improved multi-bus PCI system)...
"I'd just like to point out to all the people complaining about modest speed increases that my Rev. A dual 2.0 ghz G5 has been going strong for a year and a half having every kind of processor hungry video thrown at it (dv up to HD).
I understand the desire for apple products to improve and get better and faster but the people who talk about the G5 line as if it is hobbled aren't using one on a daily basis I think. I'm happy for those about to get a dual 2.7, it can only be an improvement on mine which is a stunning machine."
I totally agree with this. I sit at a dual 2.5 all day and this machine is amazing. I do video, Photoshop, games, whatever CPU intensive tasks there are and this thing chews them up. My previous machine was a dual 2 and there is a noticable speed difference between the 2 and 2.5 so I can only imagine how well these 2.7s will perform. I don't understand why people are complaining about these updates. Because they're not what YOUR particular dream machine would be? That doesn't make any sense.
I understand the desire for apple products to improve and get better and faster but the people who talk about the G5 line as if it is hobbled aren't using one on a daily basis I think. I'm happy for those about to get a dual 2.7, it can only be an improvement on mine which is a stunning machine."
I totally agree with this. I sit at a dual 2.5 all day and this machine is amazing. I do video, Photoshop, games, whatever CPU intensive tasks there are and this thing chews them up. My previous machine was a dual 2 and there is a noticable speed difference between the 2 and 2.5 so I can only imagine how well these 2.7s will perform. I don't understand why people are complaining about these updates. Because they're not what YOUR particular dream machine would be? That doesn't make any sense.
I've been on nothing but my 1GHz G4 (512mb RAM) Powerbook for the last year and a half.
A 2.xGHz G5 w/2gb RAM will be an amazing update for me.
Then, once the PB changes to the next gen chip, the Gx (where x>4), I'll get a new PB.
A 2.xGHz G5 w/2gb RAM will be an amazing update for me.
Then, once the PB changes to the next gen chip, the Gx (where x>4), I'll get a new PB.
OMG
OMG! An Apple update! New Powermacs! Faster! Cheaper! I'm so excited!
Wait a second. Now I see that is just another disappointing Apple update. No 3Ghz. No big discounts. Damn.
But is it true? Perhaps Amazon made a mistake.
And even if they didn't maybe Apple has dual-core, high-end machine up their sleeves (WWDC).
But that doesn't matter because even a Mac mini is fast enough for most people.
And anyway, I'm glad because it means my current machine isnt out of date yet.
Except, it also means that AMD and Intel are getting ahead. Oh no!
[At this point, steam starts coming out of the Macfanbot.]
OMG! An Apple update! New Powermacs! Faster! Cheaper! I'm so excited!
Wait a second. Now I see that is just another disappointing Apple update. No 3Ghz. No big discounts. Damn.
But is it true? Perhaps Amazon made a mistake.
And even if they didn't maybe Apple has dual-core, high-end machine up their sleeves (WWDC).
But that doesn't matter because even a Mac mini is fast enough for most people.
And anyway, I'm glad because it means my current machine isnt out of date yet.
Except, it also means that AMD and Intel are getting ahead. Oh no!
[At this point, steam starts coming out of the Macfanbot.]
What you don't seem to get is...
...to the rest of the uninformed world (namely the PC world), the lack of dual-core and such a crappy update is yet another strike against Apple and yeta nother reason why PC's are "so much better". Sure, we have the software, but where's the hardware??? I can see them now... I really don't have much to back Apple up anymore except Tiger... What does everyone think of the Inspiron XPS Gen 2? Pretty close to getting one of those instead of my previously planned "Power"Book. -JB
...to the rest of the uninformed world (namely the PC world), the lack of dual-core and such a crappy update is yet another strike against Apple and yeta nother reason why PC's are "so much better". Sure, we have the software, but where's the hardware??? I can see them now... I really don't have much to back Apple up anymore except Tiger... What does everyone think of the Inspiron XPS Gen 2? Pretty close to getting one of those instead of my previously planned "Power"Book. -JB
take back Power Mac
I guess I shouldn't open up my refurbished 2.5 GHz Power Mac that showed up at my door today. Anyone think that the price of the refurbished 2.5 ghz G5 Power Mac on Apple's site right now will drop in price tomorrow with the new updates? Either way, I think I'll hold on opening it for a day just to be sure.
I guess I shouldn't open up my refurbished 2.5 GHz Power Mac that showed up at my door today. Anyone think that the price of the refurbished 2.5 ghz G5 Power Mac on Apple's site right now will drop in price tomorrow with the new updates? Either way, I think I'll hold on opening it for a day just to be sure.
quta said:
I could be wrong, since I'm not a software/hardware engineer (although I work in that department) -- a dual core chip will have more than a slight increase in multithreaded applications. From what I have read (not on rumor sites), the benefit will be more like 25% at the same clock speed. The reasoning is that the cores can talk and exchange information without the need for an external bus.
AidenShaw normally knows about this stuff ...
Just a thought...
What if Apple had a deal with Amazon, and they told them to list the same/close specs from ThinkSecret and then unveil something much much better and unexpected (AKA Dual-Dual Core)??? Maybe... I am hanging by a thread here... But just maybe -- Steve Jobs would definitely have the ego to do this! -JB
What if Apple had a deal with Amazon, and they told them to list the same/close specs from ThinkSecret and then unveil something much much better and unexpected (AKA Dual-Dual Core)??? Maybe... I am hanging by a thread here... But just maybe -- Steve Jobs would definitely have the ego to do this! -JB
ShnikeJSB said:
Man, that's some serious reaching. lol
However, I can't imagine Amazon would have time to play "games" for Apple, though anything is possible.
We'd all love to see Apple pull a rabbit out of the hat tomorrow (or whenever the PMs are released), but all signs suggest otherwise.
Again, if they had dual-cores, but couldn't release them until June, they'd just wait until June. They made us wait a year the first time so there's no reason not to do it again.
What about the low end single?
I was just about to buy a single 1.8, so what if anything are they gonna replace that model with? I can't stretch to a dual.
I was just about to buy a single 1.8, so what if anything are they gonna replace that model with? I can't stretch to a dual.
I think this release points to this truly being a MINOR release, NOT the typical "yearly" rev, along with pointing to the "yearly" release not shipping until end of summer. This is a nice "refresh" (similar to some of the iBook/iMac releases where they've slightly increased the HD size and CPU speeds). It also allows Apple to demo how snappy Tiger is, because they'll be demoing on slightly faster hardware. This release could be aimed mainly at the pro video market--adding Tiger (required for the new pro tools) and dual layer (HD DVD) is a nice package, with a slightly faster CPU thrown in. There's NO WAY Apple would release a dual core CPU now--they want to focus on Tiger. It could also be done because of faster iMacs coming, and they need to always have the pro line faster. Either way, its something nice for those who are ready to buy; however, if they are releasing a major upgrade at the end of the summer, this is minor enough of a rev to not steal sales away from THAT release. Given their normal timing, this rev could have either come at MacWorld (Jan) or now--after MacWorld, they wouldn't have wanted any hw releases that didn't include Tiger. MacWorld might have been out because they consider this to be a minor rev, and not worthy of that much attention.
So given this rev ships with Tiger, and its coming out tomorrow (Wed), this very strongly points to this NOT being considered an important rev of the line by Apple. IMHO, it points to dual core PM at the end of the summer (or early fall)--because of this rev, a 3.0 GHz would be too small of a marketing jump for a major revision, even if it had PCe or other new technologies were added in. And I would doubt that Apple could really wait until MacWorld 2006 for a major refresh (not to say that a Sept ship wouldn't be like the first G5s that didn't really ship in quanitity until many months later)
So given this rev ships with Tiger, and its coming out tomorrow (Wed), this very strongly points to this NOT being considered an important rev of the line by Apple. IMHO, it points to dual core PM at the end of the summer (or early fall)--because of this rev, a 3.0 GHz would be too small of a marketing jump for a major revision, even if it had PCe or other new technologies were added in. And I would doubt that Apple could really wait until MacWorld 2006 for a major refresh (not to say that a Sept ship wouldn't be like the first G5s that didn't really ship in quanitity until many months later)
ShnikeJSB said:
But why do you care what the uninformed world thinks? I'd rather the informed world knows the real deal. That way the information will trickle down to the uninformed and be taken more seriously. I can say that the informed computer world knows about Apple and many are taking notice. I was at a recent event and was surprised by the number of large corporations (MGM, Hallmark, Pixar, several universities) using Apple machines, many on the server side.