Amazon Listing for Dual 2.7 Ghz PowerMac

[rockthecasbah]

G5 Powerbook

disapointing to say the least.. im just hoping that they have been putting forth most of their effort towards a g5 powerbook!

I don't know what the hell they would be focusing on if it isn't a G5 Powerbook, it sure wasn't the flippin' Power Macs .

 

[pithy]

comparison with g3 500

I figure the Dual 2.7 will be exactly 440.00% faster than what I use now. I can't wait.

The Fridgidare idea would make the G5 the 'coolest' computer ever.

Wouldn't it be closer to 800-1000% of your g3 500?

2.7 + 1.5 for the second processor = 4.2

4.2/.5 = 8.4 + what ever bump other architecture elements might give.

 

[RIP]

All I want to know is if

these new machines will make OSX SNAPPIER.

 

[chubad]

Have a question or two, if you don't mind - arising from this topic: do you (or anyone else) think an air-cooled G5 is a wiser/safer (albeit slower) choice, and how can you make sure that the 2.3 GHz is indeed air-cooled? (Is this spec likely to appear on the Apple site?)

I would get the slower aircooled model. Keep it simple.

This is one of the lamest powermac upgrades ever. Despite what the Apple apologists say 200mhz increase is pathetic. At least they shoud have hit the magic 3 ghz.

 

[Lacero]

Hehe. More like.

 

[MacTruck]

New PowerMacs were only promised by those rumor sites, not by Apple

Wrong! Apple promissed us 3ghz G5s last year.

 

[deputy_doofy]

Hehe. More like.

I can always count on you guys to make me laugh.

 

[Rincewind42]

This is one of the lamest powermac upgrades ever. Despite what the Apple apologists say 200mhz increase is pathetic. At least they shoud have hit the magic 3 ghz.

There is nothing "magical" about 3Ghz. So what if Intel made it there first. It's taken them 2 years to scale from 3Ghz to 3.8Ghz on the absolutely terrible P4 architecture. The reality is that the P4 is only 3.8 Ghz because it was designed to have a very high clock frequency at the expense of efficiency. The 970 was designed for more (much more) well rounded performance - it derives it's speed from both it's clock rate and it's architecture. And if you do the math, in the time it took Intel to go from 3Ghz to 3.8 Ghz (a 27% increase) IBM went from 2Ghz to 2.7Ghz (a 35% increase). I would say the 970 is scaling better than the P4.

And there is nothing apologetic in there, it's just the facts. Pure and simple. I wish Steve had never made that damn 3Ghz promise it's caused far more grief than anything else.

 

[finchna]

This latest update is exceptionally disappointing. These incremental updates have to stop. The basic PowerMac G5 was released in mid-2003 and the architecture hasn't changed one iota since then. Same chassis, same motherboard, same chipset, same bus, same system controller (the awful and much maligned U3).

While I'm disappointed in this update (unless dual cores are what's really offered tomorrow) this is the status quo in the Wintel world. 100MHz updates happen frequently. And they just happen--no announcement hoopla, no rumors, no nothing--they're just put up on Dell's site in the BTO. Thing like the Pentium M (Centrino) chip and dual-core are much less frequent.

This G5 thing seems like one of those small bumpdates, but for some reason it's been made into something else by a bunch of people. Perhaps Apple needs to do updates of it's hardware in the same way it does software (10.3.1, 10.3.2) and save the really major (hoopla) upgrade or next gen changes (architecture, etc.) for every 1.5 or 2 years.

 

[Tattoo]

Apple doesnt reads Rumor Sites!!!

LMFAOOOOOOOO!
I love how many tims I hear people say: "Apple doesnt read Rumors Sites". - Now look links are removed!

Now Apple just needs to read how NEGATIVE we rate these announcements!

 

[Phat_Pat]

Wait so is the Superdrive upgradable in current models of the PM to that sweet DL superdrive? (Like can i buy one of them and install it in my PM?) .2 speed boast means nada.

 

[aussie_geek]

Why do you think Amazon would release the details and then take them down a few hours later? Has Apple called them up or something? The damage has been done - just google 'new g5' and the first item on the search results is a link to macworld magazine with all the details and even a screenshot of the page!!. Anyway, will have to wait for another 16 hours for an official release


aussie_geek

 

[Hiroshige]

Exactly, and that was my point when asking...apart from gaming, no PCs handily beat the G5 Dual (Athlon FX and Dual Xeons come close or match it)...even 5k or 10k beasts are at the same league as the "personal" G5 dual desktop.

Nothing new here; move along, citizens...

Please read the page before posting nonsense.
http://www.barefeats.com/macvpc.html

 

[bpd115]

Wait so is the Superdrive upgradable in current models of the PM to that sweet DL superdrive? (Like can i buy one of them and install it in my PM?) .2 speed boast means nada.

Yeah, I slapped a DVR-108 in mine no problem. There is only one issue to watch for...if Apple used a Pioneer Drive, you'll have a certain set of screws with built in standoffs. If they used a Sony, you'll have a different set of screws.

In my case I had a Sony and put a Pioneer in so I just had to leave the screws off of the front of the drive...no big deal.

 

[ScubaDuc]

LMFAOOOOOOOO!
I love how many tims I hear people say: "Apple doesnt read Rumors Sites". - Now look links are removed!

Now Apple just needs to read how NEGATIVE we rate these announcements!

But rumor sites also read Apple: in Germany the delivedry time for the mini went to 2 weeks: Versandfertig in: 2 Wochen

Updated mini on the way too, looks like

 

[LaMerVipere]

Hehe. More like.

Officially: Post of the Day

 

[ImAlwaysRight]

Steve Jobs and Apple, PAY ATTENTION!

But after this much time how on earth havent they dropped in price? You can look at every component in that box and just KNOW it costs less now than it did at intro. Thats the way of the tech market - prices drop with time, with PCs like a rock. I appreciate the premium attached to macs as quality devices, but my instinct is that i am being fleeced paying those prices for what has been around for ages.

The powermacs are obviously priced from a marketing point of view - no bunch of components + profit % comes out at 2000/2500/3000. Apple have got to come up with the grunt/features to justify these prices, or drop them. Or they would if there was competition and it wasnt a monopoly, with used prices defined in reference to new which are in turn defined by the marketing bods (insert bill hicks quote here).

That's the smartest thing I have ever read from a "newbie."

That's exactly right. We've got fairly old technology here -- gonna be Radeon 9600 video card, G5 design that is 2 years old, hard drives and optical drives that are trying to catch up to the PC world, at prices from 5 years ago, when look at how low prices have fallen on these components. You can get DVD burners for under $55, 512MB RAM modules for under $40. Yet Apple is going to stick two 256MB modules in its Power Macs? That's like $35 retail. Yet we're still paying 2/2.5/3K when speed bumps are this minor.

Wow. No wonder this thread has such a high negative rating. I hope Steve and Apple are reading this and getting a good handle on how the public feels.

 

[MarkCollette]

What if Apple had a deal with Amazon, and they told them to list the same/close specs from ThinkSecret and then unveil something much much better and unexpected (AKA Dual-Dual Core)??? Maybe... I am hanging by a thread here... But just maybe -- Steve Jobs would definitely have the ego to do this! -JB

With a post that desperate, I dare not mock you lest you finish the other half of the pills and kick the chair out

 

[relimw]

Hehe. More like.

LOL, that's about right.

 

[LaMerVipere]

Please read the page before posting nonsense.
http://www.barefeats.com/macvpc.html

Whoa. I thought the G5s were faster than that. It would seem IBM + Apple have a lot of work to do!

 

[TerryG]

This update is a disaster for Power Macs future

Apple just started a new policy of no longer breaking down computer sales by model, eMac, iMac, Power Book, iBook, etc.
They will now lump Power Mac sales in with Mac Mini's & others to hide how badly there selling. Apple sold only 167,000 Power Mac's last quarter and these numbers will continue to fall & Apple knows that. Its why you aren't seeing Apple include goodies like 1GB ram standard, a 256K graphics card, big discounts on LCD monitors purchased with a Power Mac, or including a 3 year Apple Care Plan with any Power Mac purchase. They could have just dropped Power Mac prices. I think Apple doesn't care if you buy one or not. They will sell tons of Mac Mini's & iMac's, that's their real market. If Apple now views Power Mac users as a niche market, they may have reasoned its not cost effective to spend time & money designing cutting edge Power Macs for a declining market and concentrate on big volume products. I bet we will see a G5 Mac Mini before we see a dual core Power Mac.

 

[destroyboredom]

I can understand some people being let down by the "no 3.0GHZ" a year later, it reminds me of when my mom would promise me fruity pebbles from the grocery store and I would never see them.

But let's get real here: So if this update is confirmed, a Dual 2.0GHZ for 2k?? I would consider that a steal.

And for those making comparisons to the Wintel world. They are in the same spot, with littl movement in the past year. Sure, they just "announced" dual core machines, but let's see how quick the chips are available. Working for a distributor for Intel I can tell you right now there chips are only going to 3 people right now. (Velocity Micro, and two other tier 1 mfg) and these chips will only be available on the high end, (800 series for intel) and can imagine would command a $1k+ market price.

Being a mac owner and working for a pc parts distributor, I see slow movement as far as increasing speed all around. No one is really making speed bumps in leaps and bounds anymore.

I'm quite happy with my DP 2.0GHZ PM, I can't imagine anyone being dissappointed with a dual 2.7GHZ.

 

[Max_Runk]

Prices are silly

Apple can somewhat justify their pricing on the PM's...but the displays are outrageous. 1k for a 20" is way out of line. If I remember right Dell has a 20" w/higher pix for less. I could be wrong but that doesnt change the fact that the displays are too much. If the 23" was 1k I would probably buy it but....

 

[aswitcher]

Hehe. More like.

Steve obviously didn't relize his butt wasn't big enough to conceal it

 

[plinden]

Look, why not wait till tomorrow (or next week, or next month, or whenever the upgrade is announced) before complaining about the price and size of the upgrade?

This Amazon page was obviously a mistake - someone screwed up and loaded it onto the main site too early. It's possible (wishful thinking. I know) that the price it mentioned ($2994) may not be the correct value. I seem to recall (but have no proof) that after the last PowerBook upgrades Amazon didn't update the prices for some time and had same prices as the previous PB range.

Also, the leaked Amazon page didn't contain any technical details aside from the CPU and RAM specs, so complaining about what else is missing is just madness. Take a deep breath, count to ten, step away from your computers, turn on the TV and forget about it for one night.