So despite Amazon and Google insisting the Kindle Fire is not an Android device, you obviously know more than them.
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So despite Amazon and Google insisting the Kindle Fire is not an Android device, you obviously know more than them.
compete does not mean they r trying to become #1 they just need to survive and be accepted by enough people to make it affordable. nothing wrong with that
Yes which is why we have Samsung racing to knock-off Apple's stuff with S-Voice and S-Cloud, and HTC acquiring Mog and Beats Audio. Samsung has the supply chain brute force to pull it off. But I suspect HTC, Nokia, Dell, HP, Acer will eventually cede hardware business or justify to their shareholders less than 5% profit margin. How could they have more if you have Amazon selling tablets or phones (or Google's Nexus 7) at cost?
Exactly. I'm not sure what people don't get understand. Google and Amazon sell their product at a very low profit margin because they know they will make a boatload of cash with the things consumers can get while using the product.
None of these manufactures claim to be 'the killer' to the best of my knowledge. Media pins those products as such. As for a legitimate potential 'iphone killer'? Nexus, packed with JellyBean, would like to have a word with you. Of course there will always be people buying Apple products, but there are a lot of people that will switch to the new Nexus. Head over the iPhone subforum here. A lot of people are saying they are switching. You just can't argue that it's not a VERY impressive phone. Being as how it's so impressive, Apple will be forced to step their game up which is great.
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Amazon changed the game for e-Readers. Yes - they existed before - but Amazon put them on the map and made them popular. Sound familiar?
They never said they were going head to head with the iPhone.
Why?
I don't get it... Amazon is a warehouser and an online retailer. They sell everyone else's shi* so I don't understand their interest in building electronic gizmos.
They'd do better to stick to their core competencies. Spreading out too much usually spells disaster for companies. News flash - the Kindle Fire isn't doing all that well. Why would they want get into another money losing product?
I don't get it... Amazon is a warehouser and an online retailer. They sell everyone else's shi* so I don't understand their interest in building electronic gizmos.
They'd do better to stick to their core competencies. Spreading out too much usually spells disaster for companies. News flash - the Kindle Fire isn't doing all that well. Why would they want get into another money losing product?
Thats exactly what I said it my past paragraph. The problem is that the ecosphere of Amazon is minuscule in terms of crossover with the iPhone and with the exception of music and movie content has very little relationship to the rest of what they sell. I like Amazon, I buy many things from them already. Why do I need their phone? Because I might save some small amount on the music and movies and books I buy from Apple? I spend so much time on my iPhone for a whole range of things having nothing to do with music, movies, or books ... hence the move toward mobile computing eating into laptop sales etc. My experience in that space is far more valuable then the 20 or even 40 dollars I might save in music, movies, or book content buying it from Amazon, and that assumes I could only buy their content if I had an Amazon phone. I can buy their stuff online, through their app, and dont they even have a reader for iOS?
With the news of Amazon, Facebook, and Mozilla Firefox all attempting to move into the smartphone industry, it means one thing: these devices are now becoming common. Very soon, basic phones will be history like giant cell phones were in the 90's. Then someone will once again have to revolutionize the mobile technology industry. Apple did that in 2007 with the iPhone.
Saying that these things won't sell is pretty silly. Most consumers who go into a store looking for a new phone will buy what they see on TV, what they hear is good, or what they sales rep recommends. Unlike people on Internet forums, they have developed no preference aside from "Ooh, this gets on the Internet."
Also, fragmentation? Amazon has nothing to do with Android aside from using it for their OS. They will be handling all of the updates themselves probably. The Kindle Fire has received no updates from Google, so why would a Amazon phone? If anything, Amazon will receive the OS update from Google, heavily edit it to fit the Amazon guidelines, and then roll it out according to their own schedule.
Saying that these things won't sell is pretty silly. Most consumers who go into a store looking for a new phone will buy what they see on TV, what they hear is good, or what they sales rep recommends. Unlike people on Internet forums, they have developed no preference aside from "Ooh, this gets on the Internet."
Also, fragmentation? Amazon has nothing to do with Android aside from using it for their OS. They will be handling all of the updates themselves probably. The Kindle Fire has received no updates from Google, so why would a Amazon phone? If anything, Amazon will receive the OS update from Google, heavily edit it to fit the Amazon guidelines, and then roll it out according to their own schedule.
I'd like to see the source that says they are losing money from the Fire. Even if they are, they are more than making up for it in the selling of their e-books. They run the world of e-books.
Actually, Amazon makes--or rebrands or whatever--some decent products of their own via their AmazonBasics line (rechargeable and alkaline batteries, cases for phones or music players, basic computer hardware like mice and optical drivers, and more).
Of course, if their phone is the Kindle Fire of smartphones, it will leave something to be desired, but it shouldn't be completely horrible and will probably at least be reasonably priced.
Ah, you've missed Amazon's whole strategy. Amazon plans to sell their own branded electronics at a lost intentionally. Google is the same way. Google actually doesn't earn much money from the sale of Android devices, aside from Nexus devices. The whole idea behind Amazon and Google's plan is to seed the public with tons of devices, no matter what the cost, and then offer services (and ads for Google) tied in directly to their phone. THIS is their profit making strategy. Being able to access Amazon in one click and not having to type in confidential information all the time is a huge plus for those who order off of Amazon regularly.
MacOS X is not a Unix spinoff - MacOS X _is_ Unix.
Linux is not a Unix spinoff - Linux is a completely independent development, intended to be Unix compatible to some degree, but not related in any way.
I didn't say that I agreed with him, and I can't see where you saw that. And for the record, I disagree with him quite strongly.
And??? I think that's their goal. Get a device out there that is focused on delivering THEIR content. Not sure why they have to "change the game".
I'm guessing they've analyzed the data (or paid some big consulting firm to do so) and determined that the path they started on with their e-readers and the Fire, has been successful so far and that they should continue.
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No, but apparently I know more than you do.So despite Amazon and Google insisting the Kindle Fire is not an Android device, you obviously know more than them.
Pull the Fire's source code... it's Android.
They can refuse to call it Android for marketing purposes, but the source code doesn't lie.
Here... see for yourself.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200203720
Android.mk files all over the place.
Randomly open any file and see for yourself.
Oh and what is this.... LinearLayout.java
They're even using StageFright for media. StagefrightMediaScanner.h
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Don't believe everything you read. Just because they are coming out with a smartphone does not mean they have intentions of going head-to-head with Apple.
WRONG.
If you buy it through them, it is at 0. That doesn't include Google's shipping cost to you if you buy it through them. If you buy it through ANY retailer, which it's going to be sold at all AT&T/Verizon/Best Buys etc, they will take a LOSS
And guess where most people buy their tablets...at big box retailers like the Apple Store or Best Buy/Carrier stores.
A loss either way you cut it.
Surprise! You were right. Google's Android guru Andy Rubin confirmed to AllThingsD yesterday that even when the Nexus 7 gets purchased from the company's own Google Play distribution channel, it "basically gets (sold) through," meaning it doesn't make or lose money. Which means at best, Google's tablet is break-even when you buy it directly from them. When you find it in a big box retailer? Google's throwing dollar bills out of the window of a moving car.
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I so wish (for so many reasons) that Steve Jobs was alive and well... but one would be to hear his thoughts on the Amazon Phone.
I think it's worth watching
I might be in the minority here, but I think this is one to watch. Amazon is no slouch in the innovation department. They did things with kindle that were way ahead of the game and significantly changed the landscape that even apple now enjoys. When the Fire came to be, it wasn't targeting iPad, but reader devices such as the Nook, and they dominated that market.
I purchase music from iTunes, but I purchase movies from Amazon, because I can play them anywhere on any device, and just about any TV. In fact, most new TV's come with amazon built-in. They have a long-term strategy that's working, building up an interesting ecosystem that's working, and building quality products (within their niche) that are very well received.
Maybe I'm just an idiot, but their history and reputation tell me that this isn't going to be a flop. It won't be an iPhone, but I seriously doubt that's the intention. Whatever they have up their sleeve will likely be pretty interesting, and no doubt offer something new.
I might be in the minority here, but I think this is one to watch. Amazon is no slouch in the innovation department. They did things with kindle that were way ahead of the game and significantly changed the landscape that even apple now enjoys. When the Fire came to be, it wasn't targeting iPad, but reader devices such as the Nook, and they dominated that market.
I purchase music from iTunes, but I purchase movies from Amazon, because I can play them anywhere on any device, and just about any TV. In fact, most new TV's come with amazon built-in. They have a long-term strategy that's working, building up an interesting ecosystem that's working, and building quality products (within their niche) that are very well received.
Maybe I'm just an idiot, but their history and reputation tell me that this isn't going to be a flop. It won't be an iPhone, but I seriously doubt that's the intention. Whatever they have up their sleeve will likely be pretty interesting, and no doubt offer something new.