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You can switch out to other apps while APV is running. Did this last night while watching Ex Machina (finally got around to watching it, outstanding film). I hopped to to Safari and the native IMDB app, and while watching the movie, the APV app has "X-Ray" which let's you explore the movie cast, gives you a description of upcoming scenes, etc., pretty neat.

There is only so much bandwidth in a wifi connection.
 
There is only so much bandwidth in a wifi connection.

That has nothing to do with your assertion. You said the device would be "occupied" and this isn't the case :)

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Look, I thought I'd clarify, we're in agreement that a native APV app would be _better_, it's one of the things I'm holding off for on an ATV4 (currently have 2 ATV3s).
 
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Increasing prices just prices you out of the market. Purchasing on the web then accessing through the app is a better choice. It's just not optimal from a user experience standpoint. There is no percentage in it for apple to open it up for other TVOD platforms as opening up the pricing takes away from apples share in the market.
No reason not to do both. By not even attempting to sell content via the UI, you are pushing those user to iTunes. As for pricing I must admit that it doesn't make much sense to me. If I buy a BD at retail, the middle men will take more than 30%, yet the disk is still cheaper than streaming rights on Amazon or iTunes.
For better or worse, Apple likes to treat their App Store like a retail space. They connect the buyer to the seller, promote products, facilitate the secure transaction. On the plus side they are very transparent with the rules and fees.
 
Thanks for the info. I guess I should have phrased my question better. What I was asking was why anyone who is using an Apple TV would want Vudu, since the iTunes store handles that service on the Apple TV. Obviously there would be people who want a more platform independent model, but it would be unnecessary if you're using ATV. And I personally haven't bought physical video media for years, so I have no interest in a physical media/digital copy scenario.

Anyway, I guess to each his or her own. If it shows up on ATV, and people have a desire to use it more power to them. Regardless of technical issues I still wouldn't want to put any of my $ in Walmart's pockets if I could help it.

Vudu is fantastic. Many of us use both iTunes AND VUDU.

Also, Many Blu-Ray titles include VUDU copies. which i am happy to get.

Here is some really interesting info, if you have a computer and Blu-ray drive. you can for 2-5 per title upgrade to a HD copy of the same title. Also... you can save 50% of that if you do over 10 titles at a time.

Also, VUDU has been state of the art 1080P before itunes offered it. and has a really large catalog also.

Interesting to note: VUDU also has lower ppv pricing. Apple prefers to price rentals higher, to drive people to purchase more.

anyway, i think Apple would prefer to disable third party app's from competing with itunes PPV and sales. but i really hope it is opened up as otherwise it is monopolistic and anti-competitive.
 
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The Government doesn't even require computers to be open, fyi. On top of which I don't necessarily /want/ these products to be open. That can create a terrible experience and more importantly, support won't be able to help.

it would fall on developers to make sure their apps work well. not apple. Also, Apple could lock down apps from reporting anti-privacy items and more.

i stand by the thought that Apple TV could be much more if Apple didn't block many different types of software from being enabled on it. Airplay just isn't the same thing. and realistically, using the web browser and not even an apple approved app on the IOS or laptop device similarly isn't the same thing.

let the end users work it out. its the right thing to do.
 
"Dan I have interacted with our blah blah blah. We are currently blah blah blah. Hopefully you will see an app released in blah blah!"

Translation I just want to tell you what you want to hear. So I can move on to the next person.

This is what I see when I read that response lol. And every Mac related website ran with this as undisputable evidence this mean it's coming! Rofl! Yikes....
 
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That has nothing to do with your assertion. You said the device would be "occupied" and this isn't the case :)

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Look, I thought I'd clarify, we're in agreement that a native APV app would be _better_, it's one of the things I'm holding off for on an ATV4 (currently have 2 ATV3s).

You're occupying bandwidth and depleting device resources in this environment and the bandwidth is already being constrained. This results in less bandwidth for an already diminished bit rate product.
 
Considering this was only a screenshot of text and no one bothered to do any reporting, surprised what counts as news these days.

L1 support techs at major companies are just minimum wage employees. You don't go into Best Buy and take whatever rumor you hear from an employee there as gospel do you? If this is an actual conversation with Amazon, it holds little weight.

I'd love for Amazon to come to the ATV, but it's more than likely just a pipe dream.
 
it would fall on developers to make sure their apps work well. not apple. Also, Apple could lock down apps from reporting anti-privacy items and more.

i stand by the thought that Apple TV could be much more if Apple didn't block many different types of software from being enabled on it. Airplay just isn't the same thing. and realistically, using the web browser and not even an apple approved app on the IOS or laptop device similarly isn't the same thing.

let the end users work it out. its the right thing to do.
The Apple TV is not a computer. It is a set top box in order to watch TV with a much better UI (imo and that's the ideal) with an app store. It is not /meant/ to be completely open and imo it'd be pretty stupid if it were. What apps are being blocked btw? A browser? Browsers require kb support which the Apple TV doesn't have (for some moronic reason, but there). Look for browsers to be there when kb support is launched. What other apps do you want that are being blocked for non-piracy reasons? Hell, it's amazing they allowed Plex on there
 
Overall I think iOS has the right idea in preventing apps from having payment systems outside of the App Store. In general I don't want apps asking for my CC details. I also like having a central location to track my subscriptions. This is more convenient and secure for customers.
The issue is that Apple treats everybody the same, while the big players would prefer to directly own the financial relationship. Frankly even if Apple dropped the cut to 0%, Amazon would still prefer to have access to the CC number. This is a fundimental difference in the business models. That said, I am more than satisfied to have access to my Prime account even if Amazon does not let me purchase other content. If I want to buy something I'll just use iTunes.

You just nailed it though.....Amazon wants you to have access to your prime so you will be more inclined to buy from them. Like you said, you would just buy from itunes so how does Amazon benefit here? I think this is why Amazon drew the line at doing their ios app on Apple tv. .....Then, even if they decided to do it anyway, and Apple approved it, they may possibly lose money on every sale.
 
Two business days have passed and no confirmation of anything related to this "big news".

I think a CS Rep is out of a job....
 
It's great that Apple is allowing Amazon to create an app for IOS Apple TV.

but it begs a huge question, if devices are similar to computers. Why does the US Gov't allow them to be locked down at all?

Applications would be awesome for my home:

Slingbox
Spotify
Pandora
Sirius XM
Vudu (they have two kinds of apps, one where you can do PPV/Purchasing, or the similar to iOS iPad App where you can play back movies/tv content you already own) *note apple prefers to price VOD rentals at higher than competing outlets, which they think makes the sell through pricing look more attractive)

Amazon would be terrific to get (even more so if not just prime video, any Amazon Video, which again often has better VOD pricing than iTunes)

So would the ability to add third party applications which are not on Apple's content approval list. i.e. Roku which allows third party content providers.

If these devices are like operating systems /computers why shouldn't users be able to have them be open? and users be able to install whatever software or applications and content they want?

of course apple wants to lock it down to whatever provides them income, but as endusers we ought to be screaming to open up these systems.

Who is with me? lets ask apple repeatedly to open up these devices. lets hack the heck out of them


:)

YES! need more people to scream LOUDLY.
 
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The Apple TV is not a computer. It is a set top box in order to watch TV with a much better UI (imo and that's the ideal) with an app store. It is not /meant/ to be completely open and imo it'd be pretty stupid if it were. What apps are being blocked btw? A browser? Browsers require kb support which the Apple TV doesn't have (for some moronic reason, but there). Look for browsers to be there when kb support is launched. What other apps do you want that are being blocked for non-piracy reasons? Hell, it's amazing they allowed Plex on there

Would like independent content, VUDU, SIRIUS XM, Books on Tape type subscription, other items. Heck i'm sure many people would like adult content, even playboy tv, without need for using a computer or iOS device.

Hell, you could take your pick of hundreds of indie content providers who would love to have their own app with full Apple TVOS usage ability.

the main point it that Apple does censor and pick and choose which ones they allow based upon their earning $$ from it. and competing companies probably don't offer more than the usual referral fee, i.e. amazon VOD, VUDU, etc.

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Two business days have passed and no confirmation of anything related to this "big news".

I think a CS Rep is out of a job....

Yeah I have talked to several different ppl at Amazon who basically told me they had no idea what I was talking about as far an Apple TV app. And they had no idea when and if they would even get one. I would think by now if this were true someone higher up at Amazon would have confirmed this already.
 
didn't they say at least a few weeks not days?

I think they meant the same thing as I did. A confirmation from Amazon that they are indeed are working on an app. Besides what some customer service rep said. Would be nice to have someone speak up and say something.
 
Apparently one of the customer service reps said that a new kindle voyage would be released in November. Well November has been and gone and there is no new kindle voyage. I personally would take what they say about new products with a grain of salt.
 
This is great, that eliminates my biggest problem with Apple TV. Now if they could do something about the touchy remote. I can't pick the thing up without bringing up the on screen display or scrubbing the playhead. Plus I always seem to get it upside-down unless I look at it.


You are right the remote is CRAP
 
any updates? it's been a few weeks.

Like Joe mentioned above, the App Store staff is on holiday break until the new year. So IF there is going to be a Amazon Prime Video app coming to the ATV App Store, it won't be until after the new year.
 
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