AMC- The Walking Dead (TV Spoilers!)

[skinsone]

The Season Seven Final was not what I expected. I'm digesting whether they really pulled off the double cross as a mechanism to add drama to this episode.

Not surprised the junkyard community turned on Alexandria in favor of Negan. Negan knew about Ricks plan prior to Sasha being taken prisoner and Gregory didn't.

I thought Eugene was gonna meet Lucille at the end of the show. As for Dwight, he left behind his figurine which conveniently Darryl finds. Still think he wants Negan dead.

All in all, the season finale was good and well written. Sasha did exactly what I thought she would do. Loved seeing Abraham again.

Going into season 8, Negan now knows Maggie is alive and Darryl has surfaced. He's pissed and that makes him dangerous to hisself. Now he will be after revenge for being out smarted by Rick and his groups. Which makes his decision making processes rather screwed up. He's vulnerable to some degree because now he cannot collect his "donations" from the other communities. He might be on the verge of losing respect from the saviors.

Apparently Maggie and Ezekiel will move their groups into Alexandria for safety in numbers.

 

[ibookg409]

S7;E16 "The First Day of the Rest of your Life"

Yawn.

First and foremost, farewell dear Sasha.

Hey Abe, your voice sounds a bit different.

Everything amongst all camps is out in the open, finally.

Never trusted Jadis and The Junkyadigans from the beginning.

The way this is written, it would seem Rick and Company will have a major victory in S8 or S9 or at least eventually. The losses constantly seem insurmountable. Sasha zombified and dead, Rick shot, Michonne beaten to a pulp, Rosita simply shot (who in my opinion should have also been killed off or traded places with Michonne)...all the while it seems the Junkyardigans or The Saviors suffered NO casualties or serious injuries. WHERE'S THE BALANCE?! You mean to tell me in both instances of chaos at Alexandria not one person from Alexandria, The Kingdom or The Hilltop couldn't wound A Savior of importance?! Not buying it. They were all out in the open as well.

High point of the episode for me, was Rick not faultering even after Negan said he was about to kill Carl and they watched what they thought was Michonne fall from the rooftop. Maybe it was the omnious tone of music, but Rick didn't budge this time and showed no fear in the face of adversity. If anything, that one moment made the episode for me. Rick is in it for the long haul and he understands losses will happen, but it will not change the end goal.

Jadis caved far too easily to Negan in the second line up scene in comparison to when she basically gave into Rick when he didn't budge. That stood out for some odd reason.

Far too predictable that The Kingdom and The Hilltoppers would save the day. How could have no one not heard or seen a tiger approaching?! I guess there were secret entrances to Alexandria.

This could have been written a whole lot better for a season finale in my opinion, but at least the war has begun. If they keep making nods to the comics, it still has the potential to get much worse before it gets better. As I said earlier, too much bleak and barren tone just makes you feel like there's no way to win and sometimes you need that victory feeling at least from the protagonists. Ah well, here's to waiting 6 months for TWD to return...

The Junkyardians are the worst. It's only been like 2 years since everything went to crap but they've already lost the ability to speak properly. They sound like those kids from Beyond Thunderdome in the "long long ago". Ugh. And seeing the saviors, with guns, running when the see the tiger made me ill.

Negan should have crushed Eugines skull at the end.

5 guys with guns are firing at Negan at almost point blank range as he drives away no one hits him?

This felt less like a season finale and more like an average episode setting up a big finale.

Too many shots of Sasha in the coffin. We get it, she's in a small space. We don't care.

 

[ghsDUDE]

That episode was garbage. The have all of Alexandria taken and less than 10 people from the Kingdom show up and takeover???

I get it...they want to keep the show going but that episode was terrible.

The thing I like about GOT is the show will end in the next 13 episodes...the story will end. I won't be surprised when we meet season 15 of TWD. AMC and the comics are going to milk this thing forever.

Truly disappointed, but hey, I'll keep watching.

 

[balamw]

I really enjoyed it.

It's all about the characters, and here they managed to make it about Glenn, Sasha and Bisquick boy.

I must agree with some of the criticism that the group from the Kingdom was too small. I remember the numbers as bigger from Hilltop and Kingdom. More horses.

B

 

[ibookg409]

I really enjoyed it.

It's all about the characters, and here they managed to make it about Glenn, Sasha and Bisquick boy.

I must agree with some of the criticism that the group from the Kingdom was too small. I remember the numbers as bigger from Hilltop and Kingdom. More horses.

B

I never cared for Sasha so I didn't think she needed a 90 minute swan song. It was too much. Negan has saved the show in my opinion and I was really looking forward to seeing more from him in this episode. I'd have liked to see Lucille "dance" with someone before the kingdom showed up.

 

[ibookg409]

And how does the tiger know to just attack bad guys?

 

[Mac'nCheese]

And how does the tiger know to just attack bad guys?

I came here to ask that and what did "didn't know" mean on the toy soldier? Rick is supposed to be super smart but he totally trusted iron face and had no backup plan. Why not keep some people outside the walls and attack Negan from the front and the back?

 

[ibookg409]

I came here to ask that and what did "didn't know" mean on the toy soldier? Rick is supposed to be super smart but he totally trusted iron face and had no backup plan. Why not keep some people outside the walls and attack Negan from the front and the back?

This felt lazy to me as an episode.
[doublepost=1491223683][/doublepost]And I really hate the stupid Garbage Pail Kids that turned on Rick. They make absolutely no sense in the TWD universe.

 

[AlliFlowers]

And how does the tiger know to just attack bad guys?

That was my question on Twitter last night. My favorite response "Saviors smell bad."

 

[ibookg409]

That was my question on Twitter last night. My favorite response "Saviors smell bad."

Why do the saviors with guns run from the tiger instead of just shooting it? Ugh. I was so frustrated.

 

[skinsone]

Why do the saviors with guns run from the tiger instead of just shooting it? Ugh. I was so frustrated.

Shocker factor I'm guessing. Person sees a huge tiger 6 feet or less away charging at them and the last thing they think of is to use that gun, and they instinctively just panic and run.

People on the ground were definitely in a "just shoot'em" mode while those on the rooftops of the vehicles were in a better position to shoot back at those shooting at them from the wall.

Like Negan said, A tiger!!!!! Maggie ... he never expected that coming at him.

 

[CaptMarvel]

I came here to ask that and what did "didn't know" mean on the toy soldier? Rick is supposed to be super smart but he totally trusted iron face and had no backup plan. Why not keep some people outside the walls and attack Negan from the front and the back?

I think Dwight left that, to prove that he didn't know that things would go awry since he was trying to prove his loyalty to Rick and company. Remember Eugene's babble about "slowing their roll, cooling their jets etc.". I think that's what Dwight was referring to, he didn't know about Eugene's backup plan for sabotage or early arrival/bomb removal.

Still don't understand why Michonne didn't take the shot on either Negan/Eugene or Jadis.

 

[ibookg409]

I think Dwight left that, to prove that he didn't know that things would go awry since he was trying to prove his loyalty to Rick and company. Remember Eugene's babble about "slowing their roll, cooling their jets etc.". I think that's what Dwight was referring to, he didn't know about Eugene's backup plan for sabotage or early arrival/bomb removal.

Still don't understand why Michonne didn't take the shot on either Negan/Eugene or Jadis.

I really wanted Eugene to meet his end in this episode. What a POS.

 

[Huntn]

Not surprised the junkyard community turned on Alexandria in favor of Negan. Negan knew about Ricks plan prior to Sasha being taken prisoner and Gregory didn't.

I thought Eugene was gonna meet Lucille at the end of the show. As for Dwight, he left behind his figurine which conveniently Darryl finds. Still think he wants Negan dead.

All in all, the season finale was good and well written. Sasha did exactly what I thought she would do. Loved seeing Abraham again.

Going into season 8, Negan now knows Maggie is alive and Darryl has surfaced. He's pissed and that makes him dangerous to hisself. Now he will be after revenge for being out smarted by Rick and his groups. Which makes his decision making processes rather screwed up. He's vulnerable to some degree because now he cannot collect his "donations" from the other communities. He might be on the verge of losing respect from the saviors.

Apparently Maggie and Ezekiel will move their groups into Alexandria for safety in numbers.

Although I liked Sasha's send off, I don't think the climatic fight was all that well orchestrated, it felt forced, but maybe I was expecting too much. I don't remember the Junk Yard people in the comic, so they strike me as filler to pass the time for Rick's group this season in their thorny relationship with the Saviors and to facilitate this season's climax.

I have no issue with added plot complexities, but I don't like that the mini-showdown and doublecross was orchestrated to toy with the audience, creating what appearence of a hopeless ending for the Alexandria folks just to have their bacon pulled out of the fire to make a big Season Final. Now it's possible my knowledge of the comic has tainted me.

My biggest complaint was the fight. I have an issue with numbers. There were possibly more Junk Yard people there than Alexandria folks, so add in the Saviors, I could see a large, complex, and complete bloodbath when the Hilltop and Kingdom groups appeared. Visually the filming and editing failed to bring the scope of such a fight to the screen and was a failure imo. Magically all of the major characters survived. It's hard not to imagine bullets for Rick or Negan finding their way home. The believability quotient of this scene gets a D from me. I was also irritated at how easily Ms (I will lay with him afterwards) Stoneface evaporated at the end.

The Junkyardians are the worst. It's only been like 2 years since everything went to crap but they've already lost the ability to speak properly. They sound like those kids from Beyond Thunderdome in the "long long ago". Ugh. And seeing the saviors, with guns, running when the see the tiger made me ill.

Negan should have crushed Eugines skull at the end.

5 guys with guns are firing at Negan at almost point blank range as he drives away no one hits him?

This felt less like a season finale and more like an average episode setting up a big finale.

Too many shots of Sasha in the coffin. We get it, she's in a small space. We don't care.

Don't speak in the plural. I thought Sasha's sendup was good, however they said the trip was a couple of hours and I would have expected her to suffocate in a coffin without the need for poison. I don't see Negan agreeing to this if his goal was to turn her to his side, besides it would have been miserably hot in there.

I'm not a fan of how this climax was orchestrated, a bit too convenient and not real convincing. The audience through bits and pieces just has to accept that the good guys prevailed. I could buy that the added forces from Hilltop and The Kingdom, could have turned Rick's defeated situation around, and this coordination between the groups did happen and they knew Negan was coming, but the Priducers bit off more than they could chew and a convincing filmed sequence was just not produced for the audience to watch.

That episode was garbage. The have all of Alexandria taken and less than 10 people from the Kingdom show up and takeover???

I get it...they want to keep the show going but that episode was terrible.

The thing I like about GOT is the show will end in the next 13 episodes...the story will end. I won't be surprised when we meet season 15 of TWD. AMC and the comics are going to milk this thing forever.

Truly disappointed, but hey, I'll keep watching.

There were people from both The Kingdom and Hilltop.

And how does the tiger know to just attack bad guys?

Ezekiel sicced it on him/them.

I came here to ask that and what did "didn't know" mean on the toy soldier? Rick is supposed to be super smart but he totally trusted iron face and had no backup plan. Why not keep some people outside the walls and attack Negan from the front and the back?

Dwight did not know the Junk Yard Dogs were in on a double cross.

 

[ibookg409]

Although I liked Sasha's send off, I don't think the climatic fight was all that well orchestrated, it felt forced, but maybe I was expecting too much. I don't remember the Junk Yard people in the comic, so they strike me as filler to pass the time for Rick's group this season in their thorny relationship with the Saviors and to facilitate this season's climax.

I have no issue with added plot complexities, but I don't like that the mini-showdown and doublecross was orchestrated to toy with the audience, creating what appeared to be a hopeless ending for the Alexandria folks just to have their bacon pulled out of the fire to make a big Season Final. Now it's possible my knowledge of the comic has tainted me.

I biggest complaint was the fight. I have an issue with numbers. There were possibly more Junk Yard people there than Alexandria folks, so add in the Saviors, I could see a large, complex, and complete bloodbath when the Hilltop and Kingdom groups appeared. Visually the filming and editing failed to bring the scope of such a fight to the screen and was a failure imo. Magically all of the major characters survived. It's hard not to imagine bullets for Rick or Negan not finding their way home. The believability quotient of this scene gets a D from me. I was also irritated at how easily Ms (I will lay with him afterwards) Stoneface evaporated at the end.



Don't speak in the plural. I thought Sasha's sendup was good, however they said the trip was a couple of hours and I would have expected her to suffocate in a coffin without the need for poison. I don't see Negan agreeing to this if his goal was to turn her to his side.

I'm not a fan of how this climax was orchestrated, a bit too convenient and not real convincing. The audience through bits and pieces just has to accept that the good guys prevailed. I could buy that the added forces from Hilltop and The Kingdom, could have turned Rick's defeated situation around, and this coordination between the groups did happen and they knew Negan was coming, but the Priducers bit off more than they could chew and a convincing filmed sequence was just not produced for the audience to watch.



There were people from both The Kingdom and Hilltop.



Ezekiel sicced it on him.



Dwight did not know the Junk Yard Dogs were in on a double cross.

A tiger being a tiger may have gone for the easier target, like Carl on his knees. But it doesn't matter. The worst part about the finale was realizing that GOT isn't starting in April as usual but is starting in July. Ugh. WTF.

 

[Huntn]

A tiger being a tiger may have gone for the easier target, like Carl on his knees. But it doesn't matter. The worst part about the finale was realizing that GOT isn't starting in April as usual but is starting in July. Ugh. WTF.

Something about bad weather filming delays?

 

[CaptMarvel]

I really wanted Eugene to meet his end in this episode. What a POS.

Don't forget, Eugene is a master of disguise and a chameleon for his benefit. He did the same when meeting Abraham/Sasha and convincing them he knew the cure for the whole zombie outbreak.

 

[Huntn]

I think Dwight left that, to prove that he didn't know that things would go awry since he was trying to prove his loyalty to Rick and company. Remember Eugene's babble about "slowing their roll, cooling their jets etc.". I think that's what Dwight was referring to, he didn't know about Eugene's backup plan for sabotage or early arrival/bomb removal.

Still don't understand why Michonne didn't take the shot on either Negan/Eugene or Jadis.

She got the **** beat out of her? I found the editing of that fight also to be lacking, a little piece here, a bit there, ohh, it looks bad for Machone! A scream, oh no!

 

[ibookg409]

She got the **** beat out of her? I found the editing of that fight also to be lacking, a little piece here, a bit there, ohh, it looks bad for Machone! A scream, oh no!

It was just bad. I really loved last season as they were dealing with the herd in the quarry and how they flashed from past to present. I loved how for a while in season 4 we were getting the flashbacks to characters pasts and who they were before the outbreak. I love Negan and what that actor brings to the character (a lot of people hate him as a villain).

This episode felt like bad Fan Fiction to me. Not great. I want to learn about who Negan was prior to the outbreak. Those shots of Negan standing before the Saviors saying "we're going to war" was dumb. His anger would have manifested itself via Lucille on someone. The shot of Maggie, Ezekiel, and Rick standing on that little platform was bad, just bad.

 

[Huntn]

It was just bad. I really loved last season as they were dealing with the herd in the quarry and how they flashed from past to present. I loved how for a while in season 4 we were getting the flashbacks to characters pasts and who they were before the outbreak. I love Negan and what that actor brings to the character (a lot of people hate him as a villain).

This episode felt like bad Fan Fiction to me. Not great. I want to learn about who Negan was prior to the outbreak. Those shots of Negan standing before the Saviors saying "we're going to war" was dumb. His anger would have manifested itself via Lucille on someone. The shot of Maggie, Ezekiel, and Rick standing on that little platform was bad, just bad.

Your right. I see the character taking out his Lucille rage on some innocent bystander. In the show he's not vile enough, still I really like Jeffrey Dean Morgan, but he's too likeable. He's got a highly charismatic portrayal of Negan going on, more so than I remember from the comic. I think it's a good example of the advantage of film over comics/graphic novels, how hard it is for them to fully flesh out characters as compared to live actors.

 

[ibookg409]

Your right. I see the character taking out his Lucille rage on some innocent bystander. In the show he's not vile enough, still I really like Jeffrey Dean Morgan, but he's too likeable. He's got a highly charismatic portrayal of Negan going on, more so than I remember from the comic. I think it's a good example of the advantage of film over comics/graphic novels, how hard it is for them to fully flesh out characters as compared to live actors.

I'm happy that the show is different from the comic. I would not have like to see a one handed Rick. JDM is a great actor, I loved him in Watchmen.

I'm very much looking forward to watching all of TWD from season 1 all the way through season 7 over the summer.

 

[skinsone]

I think after the backlash Kirkman got after episode one horror of this season, the writers felt they had to leave the season finale with some hope for Rick, Maggie and Ezekiels groups survival.

Yes, the editing of the fight scene could have be done better. I'm confused though about the part when the junkyard people fired the flare in the air, and the smokebombs were tossed over the wall. Were they prepared before the attempted take over that the situation could change against them?

Gotta add, I immediately thought of Star Wars when Negan was on the balcony saying now we go to war and all the saviors were like the storm troopers. Negan, Darth Vadar and Papatine ... characters with similar traits.

 

[Huntn]

I think after the backlash Kirkman got after episode one horror of this season, the writers felt they had to leave the season finale with some hope for Rick, Maggie and Ezekiels groups survival.

Yes, the editing of the fight scene could have be done better. I'm confused though about the part when the junkyard people fired the flare in the air, and the smokebombs were tossed over the wall. Were they prepared before the attempted take over that the situation could change against them?

Gotta add, I immediately thought of Star Wars when Negan was on the balcony saying now we go to war and all the saviors were like the storm troopers. Negan, Darth Vadar and Papatine ... characters with similar traits.

Flair, smokebombs = Plan B- escape if Plan A failed.

 

[rhett7660]

Not the best season ending episode, but I also feel there was a lot of filler this season. They needed it to so they could do the "All out war" arch for season 8. I am curious to see how long or how many episodes they carry this arch for? Will it be the whole season or just the first part of the season. Also curious to see if they are going to jump right in to the war or if we are going to get a few filler episodes?

 

[Mac'nCheese]

I think Dwight left that, to prove that he didn't know that things would go awry since he was trying to prove his loyalty to Rick and company. Remember Eugene's babble about "slowing their roll, cooling their jets etc.". I think that's what Dwight was referring to, he didn't know about Eugene's backup plan for sabotage or early arrival/bomb removal.

Still don't understand why Michonne didn't take the shot on either Negan/Eugene or Jadis.

Someone please help me out on this. Daryl found the toy soldier in the jail, right. So, Dwight left the toy soldier there and then went back to the saviors. No one of course asks where were you for so long (the drive to and back would be six hours). He then returns with the saviors and sees the double cross. So, why did he write DIDN'T KNOW on the soldier before he found out what he didn't know? Are we supposed to believe that he ran from the fight, to the jail, left the message there and then ran back out to the fight?

Something about bad weather filming delays?

Other way around, they had to wait for bad weather to film since winter has come they needed massive amounts of snowy scenes.