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The danger comes with the territory of a spoiler thread. :(..)

Yeah, I'm a tit for looking before I'd seen the recent episode but most of the posts have been so careful to warn before telling the big spoilers. It's cool though. I just thought to myself "aaaah, I wasn't supposed to see that!" :D
 
Although the forum does not have spoiler tags you can white out the spoiler texts if you want to be considerate. Of course that does not mean they won't peak. ;)
If I was a father I'd be concerned that spoiler> Carl wanted to watch the execution, but I would not call him a sociopath. I think he felt guilty about his actions in the woods including loosing a gun and had no way of projecting the final outcome. <end spoiler]



The danger comes with the territory of a spoiler thread. :(

I sure the writers for this show have a plan, but for the purpose of plotting out the show and trying to parallel it with the comic, spoiler>Dale's Death<end spoiler seems like a waste. I realize they were making a case that the one voice for staying civilized, just got snuffed by the reality of the new world order.

Comic Talk: What's interesting is that in the comic both Dale and Sophia are still alive at this point. I find I'm missing one of the major characters in the comic called Tyreese. In the show they have substituted a character called T-Dog, but mostly he has been a bystander.

I think I mentioned it before, but I find the entire discussion of "survival morality" intriguing. Was Shane right to shoot Otis? Yes it was completely self serving but the outcome was that one of them made it back resulting in Carl's survival. However the bottom line was that Shane traded Otis for himself and Carl.

=====March 4 Episode Discussion, Stop if you've not watched it=====

And last night, can they afford to trust this kid they captured after the shoot out? A civilized person like Dale says "give him a chance", but the real question becomes, "can we afford to give him a chance?" When I place myself in that situation, if I thought I had a vehicle, most likely I would drive the kid blind folded, 30 miles away and kick him out the door versus killing him. But, if I did not feel like the group could afford to do this, then the only answer would be execution.

How many here were rooting for them to shoot or hang the kid? :)

I would say execution, this kid has already shown he has no problem following orders to kill others. He has shot at our group and would have made it out if he didn't screw the landing! He knows where they live he knows the girl from having gone to school with her. Sorry, he must go and I have a feeling he is going to be the start of the downfall for the group if they don't nip it in the bud!

I am still holding out hope that he is part of the "governers" group who goes out looking for others!
 
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Right, but then again this is a "Spoilers" thread, which is only a spoiler if you DVR'ed it and haven't seen it yet.

spoiler> Then again, I couldn't believe Carl would steal the gun, then lose the gun. The kid needs some more supervision. <end spoiler.

Although the forum does not have spoiler tags you can white out the spoiler texts if you want to be considerate. Of course that does not mean they won't peak. ;)

If I was a father I'd be concerned that spoiler> Carl wanted to watch the execution, but I would not call him a sociopath. I think he felt guilty about his actions in the woods including lOsing a gun and had no way of projecting the final outcome. <end spoiler.



The danger comes with the territory of a spoiler thread. :(

I sure the writers for this show have a plan, but for the purpose of plotting out the show and trying to parallel it with the comic, spoiler>Dale's Death<end spoiler seems like a waste. I realize they were making a case that the one voice for staying civilized, just got snuffed by the reality of the new world order.

Comic Talk: What's interesting is that in the comic both Dale and Sophia are still alive at this point. I find I'm missing one of the major characters in the comic called Tyreese. In the show they have substituted a character called T-Dog, but mostly he has been a bystander.

I think I mentioned it before, but I find the entire discussion of "survival morality" intriguing. Was Shane right to shoot Otis? Yes it was completely self serving but the outcome was that one of them made it back resulting in Carl's survival. However the bottom line was that Shane traded Otis for himself and Carl.

=====March 4 Episode Discussion, Stop if you've not watched it=====

And last night, can they afford to trust this kid they captured after the shoot out? A civilized person like Dale says "give him a chance", but the real question becomes, "can we afford to give him a chance?" When I place myself in that situation, if I thought I had a vehicle, most likely I would drive the kid blind folded, 30 miles away and kick him out the door versus killing him. But, if I did not feel like the group could afford to do this, then the only answer would be execution.

How many here were rooting for them to shoot or hang the kid? :)
 
I would say execution, this kid has already shown he has no problem following orders to kill others. He has shot at our group and would have made it out if he didn't screw the landing! He knows where they live he knows the girl from having gone to school with her. Sorry, he must go and I have a feeling he is going to be the start of the downfall for the group if they don't nip it in the bud!

I am still holding out hope that he is part of the "governers" group who goes out looking for others!

I forgot about that...changed my mind: unfortunately execution was the right answer.

Comic Talk: I had my hopes set that they'd find the prison. That and the showdown in the comic with the Governor's people is a big deal. I'm wondering if they found an abandoned prison to film in? :)

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Right, but then again this is a "Spoilers" thread, which is only a spoiler if you DVR'ed it and haven't seen it yet.

spoiler> Then again, I couldn't believe Carl would steal the gun, then lose the gun. The kid needs some more supervision. <end spoiler.

Well, he was being a kid. My guess in their situation he gets a lot of free time, but if I was a parent in that situation, I would of had him under a tight leash. :)
spoiler> Was that Daryl's chopper with the SS that he found the pistol in?<end spoiler.[/QUOTE]
 
I forgot about that...changed my mind: unfortunately execution was the right answer.

I think if they saved the kid and just tried to make him part of the group, then maybe they could have possibly trusted the kid. Once you blindfolded the kid, then shot at him, then brought him back to your farm, tied him up and attempted to execute him. Now he can't be trusted for sure. I think they need to move on or execute him or maybe both.

I just don't know how anyone could pull the trigger on someone who is kind of innocent (beside the fact he was shooting at them when they first encountered each other).

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Well, he was being a kid. My guess in their situation he gets a lot of free time, but if I was a parent in that situation, I would of had him under a tight leash. :)
spoiler> Was that Daryl's chopper with the SS that he found the pistol in?<end spoiler.


Yeah that was Daryl's, but I think he "acquired" it, he probably didn't put it there, though he probably likes it. That reminded me of the Marine flag thread here.
 
I think if they saved the kid and just tried to make him part of the group, then maybe they could have possibly trusted the kid. Once you blindfolded the kid, then shot at him, then brought him back to your farm, tied him up and attempted to execute him. Now he can't be trusted for sure. I think they need to move on or execute him or maybe both.

I just don't know how anyone could pull the trigger on someone who is kind of innocent (beside the fact he was shooting at them when they first encountered each other).

Again, can you afford to guess, trust, and cross your fingers, in this situation? When dealing with roving pack of humans in a survival situation, the ability to trust is on a very slippery slope because if you are wrong, your group could all end up dead, raped, or worse...
 
Again, can you afford to guess, trust, and cross your fingers, in this situation? When dealing with roving pack of humans in a survival situation, the ability to trust is on a very slippery slope because if you are wrong, your group could all end up dead, raped, or worse...

Yeah - and Randall admitted to Darryl that his group raped and pillaged a small camp. They'd do it again, but this time the spoils would be a really nice farm house where they could be safe. You gotta whack him.
 
I think I mentioned it before, but I find the entire discussion of "survival morality" intriguing. Was Shane right to shoot Otis? Yes it was completely self serving but the outcome was that one of them made it back resulting in Carl's survival. However the bottom line was that Shane traded Otis for himself and Carl.

=====March 4 Episode Discussion, Stop if you've not watched it=====

And last night, can they afford to trust this kid they captured after the shoot out? A civilized person like Dale says "give him a chance", but the real question becomes, "can we afford to give him a chance?" When I place myself in that situation, if I thought I had a vehicle, most likely I would drive the kid blind folded, 30 miles away and kick him out the door versus killing him. But, if I did not feel like the group could afford to do this, then the only answer would be execution.

How many here were rooting for them to shoot or hang the kid? :)

In my mind the error was made when the rescued the kid in the first place. By rescuing him they took on the role of responsibility for his life. The Talking Dead after show did a poll on this. The better decision would have been to either mercy kill him at the fence so that he wouldn't have to endure being eaten by the walkers or to simply leave him. At that point in time he was nothing more than a stranger who had made attempt to harm your group. You owe him nothing in the grand scheme of personal survival.
 
Any chance Carl is a sociopath? I'd say Dale's death is Carl's fault.

I'd think all of the emotion we've seen him show regarding the death of Sophia would eliminate him from being a sociopath. More likely I think he's just a kid who is growing up in a jacked up world with a dysfunctional group of adults from which to learn.

Is it his fault that the walker that he stumbled upon in the woods earlier later killed Dale, not really? It's an unfortunate circumstance that certainly could have been prevented, but hindsight is 20/20. When I was a kid I didn't come home after participating in stuff that I knew would get me in trouble and confess to my parents. It's just typical impulsive and exploratory kid behavior that is magnified by the consequences.

Carl's just a poorly written foil. Just like the female characters on the show, Carl is merely an instrument to deliver bad choices that force the men to act and the plot to shamble forward incoherently.
 
In my mind the error was made when the rescued the kid in the first place. By rescuing him they took on the role of responsibility for his life. The Talking Dead after show did a poll on this. The better decision would have been to either mercy kill him at the fence so that he wouldn't have to endure being eaten by the walkers or to simply leave him. At that point in time he was nothing more than a stranger who had made attempt to harm your group. You owe him nothing in the grand scheme of personal survival.

Yes, after he was shooting at their group, the decision to save him was not thought out.

Carl's just a poorly written foil. Just like the female characters on the show, Carl is merely an instrument to deliver bad choices that force the men to act and the plot to shamble forward incoherently.

The woman are not the only ones who make bad decisions, children will be children, and the worst writing could represent reality, perfectly. If everyone made good choices, it would be a lot less interesting. :)
 
I forgot about that...changed my mind: unfortunately execution was the right answer.

Comic Talk: I had my hopes set that they'd find the prison. That and the showdown in the comic with the Governor's people is a big deal. I'm wondering if they found an abandoned prison to film in? :)

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Well, he was being a kid. My guess in their situation he gets a lot of free time, but if I was a parent in that situation, I would of had him under a tight leash. :)
spoiler> Was that Daryl's chopper with the SS that he found the pistol in?<end spoiler.
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Couldn't agree more and a lot of stuff happens as a result of the Governer. Granted they have loosely stayed true to the comics, but man I hope they do pull it off with the prison! There is so much that goes on and happens during that time frame!!!
 


Couldn't agree more and a lot of stuff happens as a result of the Governer. Granted they have loosely stayed true to the comics, but man I hope they do pull it off with the prison! There is so much that goes on and happens during that time frame!!![/QUOTE]

as long as they get off the stupid farm.. it's getting boring.

is the prison in a city-type setting? or is it some backwoods town prison?

I prefer the city-type settings, like when they were in Atlanta.
 
Couldn't agree more and a lot of stuff happens as a result of the Governer. Granted they have loosely stayed true to the comics, but man I hope they do pull it off with the prison! There is so much that goes on and happens during that time frame!!!

as long as they get off the stupid farm.. it's getting boring.

is the prison in a city-type setting? or is it some backwoods town prison?

I prefer the city-type settings, like when they were in Atlanta.[/QUOTE]

It is a pretty damn big prison....... Modern style.
 
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as long as they get off the stupid farm.. it's getting boring.

is the prison in a city-type setting? or is it some backwoods town prison?

I prefer the city-type settings, like when they were in Atlanta.

Agreed it is well past time to get off the farm. In the comic, they find a prison, a substantial facility with guard towers, triple fences around it, perfect for security against walkers. Their intent is to set up a home there. Something like Huntsville Prison, Texas:

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Who knows if this will happen in the show or not...I imagine some difficulties filming at a prison that is in use. For comparison, I believe Shawshank Redemption was filmed at a closed facility.
 
Total speculation on my part... but could the Governor = Merle Dixon?

The show seemed to imply that he had made it off the rooftop in Atlanta... and if you've read the graphic novel, you know what the Governor does to Rick. Would seem to fit perfectly. You know the saying, [possible spoiler]hand for a hand and all...[end possible spoiler]

Also, please give us Michonne. As much as I like Daryl, I hope the writers haven't decided to make Daryl a pseudo-Michonne-all-around-badass character. I think he'll have enough drama to get involved in if the writers do decide that the Governor = Merle.
 
Yeah - and Randall admitted to Darryl that his group raped and pillaged a small camp. They'd do it again, but this time the spoils would be a really nice farm house where they could be safe. You gotta whack him.

I agree completely.

In my mind the error was made when the rescued the kid in the first place. By rescuing him they took on the role of responsibility for his life. The Talking Dead after show did a poll on this. The better decision would have been to either mercy kill him at the fence so that he wouldn't have to endure being eaten by the walkers or to simply leave him. At that point in time he was nothing more than a stranger who had made attempt to harm your group. You owe him nothing in the grand scheme of personal survival.

Agreed. They should have stuck a knife into his brain and left him for the walkers to feed on as a distraction.
 
Total speculation on my part... but could the Governor = Merle Dixon?

The show seemed to imply that he had made it off the rooftop in Atlanta... and if you've read the graphic novel, you know what the Governor does to Rick. Would seem to fit perfectly. You know the saying, [possible spoiler]hand for a hand and all...[end possible spoiler]

Also, please give us Michonne. As much as I like Daryl, I hope the writers haven't decided to make Daryl a pseudo-Michonne-all-around-badass character. I think he'll have enough drama to get involved in if the writers do decide that the Governor = Merle.

This is very insightful. Time will tell. :) In the show, I assume the group that they've run into who is "close by" does represent the next primary threat who could be their version of the Governor. I stopped reading the comic when I reached issue no.40 which is spoiler>the showdown between the Governor and Rick's group<end spoiler because I want to see where the show takes it first.
 
Agreed. They need to kill Randall to promote the survival of the group.

Dale was trying to hold on to a shred of civilized society, but I think we can agree that the world of The Walking Dead has fundementally changed.
 
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So is Shane turning somehow? Seems like he is barely holding it together. Now it looks like people are turning without being bit.
 
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So is Shane turning somehow? Seems like he is barely holding it together. Now it looks like people are turning without being bit.

I remember Shane being scratched early on right before he left Otis to die, or at least it was implied that he was scratched. When he got back to the farm, he ran into the bathroom and took off his shirt and looked at his body right before he started to think about what he had done. They didn't really go anywhere with it, and I thought "Oh, he wasn't scratched then."
 
I remember Shane being scratched early on right before he left Otis to die, or at least it was implied that he was scratched. When he got back to the farm, he ran into the bathroom and took off his shirt and looked at his body right before he started to think about what he had done. They didn't really go anywhere with it, and I thought "Oh, he wasn't scratched then."

Guess we will never now if he was turning. He just seemed either on the edge of a rage or turning. Wasn't sure which way they were going to take it.

Seems like the action is going to start picking up.
 
Tonight's revelation (people turning into walkers without a prerequisite bite) has a parallel in the comic. In fact, in the comic Rick discovered this because of Shane, when his body reanimated after being buried. I believe GoKyu and others had pointed this out earlier in this thread.

Another rather interesting comic parallel that I hoped would be shown in some form: Carl shot Shane when he saw Shane about to attack his dad. (Shane was alive at that point in the comic, though, and they hadn't yet left Atlanta.)
 
I missed the Mar 11 episode drats! Hope to catch up this week. Praise DVR. :) I saw a preview of the Season Finale and it seems like that finale takes place on the farm. Will there be a prison in the survivors future? :D
 
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