Analyst Claims 3 Million CDMA iPhones Set for December Manufacturing Run

[chapindad]

I've asked this once and didn't get an answer, so I'll try again.

With the Droid X, Droid Incredible, Droid, Droid 2, Samung Fascinate--why do people seem so content in thinking that an iPhone will clog up the network?

How can the network survive 5 (if not more) very heavy data-using phones, yet people claim that the introduction of one phone is going to slow the network down beyond belief?

I just don't get it.

I will give you an answer.

I saw a report a few months ago that 56% of ALL mobile data traffic was on AT&Ts network and used by the iPhone users. Now consider, that Verizon had 82 Million users to AT&T's 19 Million users, that is a very strong statement about mobile data usage. Android users do not currently use the data that iPhone users use on a daily basis. So the potential is there that Verizon will have problems, but they have had more time to prepare and get ready so they may have no problems. AT&T was blindsided by the amount of data that iPhone users used.

 

[chapindad]

these iphone-vzw hopefulls never seem to quit getting their panties in a bunch with these RUMORS.

I do think this one is true, but I do believe all the past rumors where started by Verizon to keep people from switching. IBM use to be famous for this marketing scheme, called vaporware...

 

[nep61]

Susquehanna! Slowly I turned . . .

Exactly what I thought when I read that !!!

Well, I guess, with a bunch of AT&T subscribers eventually moving to Verizon... it should actually make using AT&T's network a pleasant experience !!

Less traffic should result in better performance of their network, right?

 

[adztaylor]

So basically Apple is going to give iPhone 4 to Verzion in January...then piss off all those customers 6 months later with iPhone 5? (As history has told us, a new iPhone is released every summer.)

Doesn't seem logical but then again, it's Apple.

Android does it. It's technology that's what happens.

 

[arynjon]

verizon iphon

Personally, I would love a verizon iphone. Not because I'm a verizon fanboy, but because ATT reception stinks where I live. I have friends with iphones that cannot use them inside of their homes because of poor reception.

I also don't want to switch to ATT because my entire family uses verizon, which means that every call I make to them is 'free'. So....

I would welcome the verizon iphone. My contract is up soon, and I'd much rather get an iphone than an android of some sort. But, I'll have to if verizon doesn't get the iphone....

 

[gri]

Only useful if also GSM, GPRS. What good is a phone I can only use in the US with CDMA. Hated that with Verizon, whenever going abroad I could not use my Verizon phone. A combined phone would make me think (though I am grandfathered in the unlimited data plan, if ATT dumps that AND there is a CDMA/GSM phone I might be tempted to jump the wagon...

 

[ghostface147]

Why would Apple make a CDMA phone when Verizon has stated their LTE service would be avaliable to everyone by Q4 of 2011.

That's not correct. According to Verizon, they won't have blanket coverage until 2013. Even then, just like their current 3G and ATT's 3G, there are some areas where it can't get that signal due to terrain or other obstacles. They would fall back to EDGE/GPRS on GSM or 1xRTT for CDMA. There has to be some backwards compatibility somewhere.

This is straight from Verizon:

https://www.lte.vzw.com/AboutLTE/VerizonWirelessLTENetwork/tabid/6003/Default.aspx

 

[ghostface147]

Now consider, that Verizon had 82 Million users to AT&T's 19 Million users....

Uh what? ATT has over 78 million customers.

 

[Cynicalone]

I still just don't see it happening.

Who controls the app store? Verizon wants to be in charge and Apple (Jobs) would never allow that.

What about the god awful red "V" logo? That would never, ever happen on the iPhone.

What goes into producing a Verizon (CDMA) phone that would allow simultaneous voice and data?

They could be producing a CDMA iPhone, but assuming it is for Verizon is a mistake.

Apple and Verizon are both control freaks it would be very hard for them to work together.

Wouldn't it be much easier for Apple to go to T-Mobile and Sprint. Companies that would be willing to give Apple the kind of control they desire. And with the 3 carriers they could really add market share in the US.

 

[BC2009]

I can see it now....

Hi, Seth here from AT&T. Perhaps you've heard about all the great things we have been putting into effect to improve our network. We are rolling out an all new LTE network in mid-2011 with speeds that will blow your mind. Now some have said they their network is faster than ours. We like to believe we have the fastest network. No matter who is right, let's face it, the other guys network is about to get much slower with the new iPhone release. So why not just stick with AT&T? Besides, if you have the iPhone-4 it will cost you a boat-load to get out of that contract. Thanks for listening, and thanks for being an AT&T customer.

 

[paul4339]

...
With the Droid X, Droid Incredible, Droid, Droid 2, Samung Fascinate--why do people seem so content in thinking that an iPhone will clog up the network?

How can the network survive 5 (if not more) very heavy data-using phones, yet people claim that the introduction of one phone is going to slow the network down beyond belief?
...

I will give you an answer.

... Now consider, that Verizon had 82 Million users to AT&T's 19 Million users, that is a very strong statement about mobile data usage. Android users do not currently use the data that iPhone users use on a daily basis. So the potential is there that Verizon will have problems, but they have had more time to prepare and get ready so they may have no problems. AT&T was blindsided by the amount of data that iPhone users used.

I'm pretty sure that ATT has alot more than 19 million users, maybe upwards of 18/19 million iPhone subcribers (by year end) if that's what you mean...
I think it's just the -forecasted- flood of either new subscribers and people moving from regular Verizon cell phones to Verizon iPhone's... and of course, possible ATT defects over time.

see article from yesterday

so while there's 5 competing phones, the iPhone can -potentially- sell as much as several or all of them put together.

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

I think if the manufactors are just giving out model numbers, this may just be the White iPhones and not a CDMA version.

Why would Apple make a CDMA phone when Verizon has stated their LTE service would be avaliable to everyone by Q4 of 2011.

It's just not Verizon's time yet.

Because by Q4 of 2011 Apple will be in 4th place in market share and will start losing app developers to Android. Why should Apple wait for LTE? Other cell phone companies are making millions of smartphones for CDMA. Why? Because it's a HUGE market. Putting a CDMA iPhone on Verizon's network automagically makes your product available to double the number of consumers in the US. How is that a bad thing?

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

Why after Verizon has already announced launching an LTE Network do analysts feel the need to continually spew their made up rumors. It is pretty simple...Why would Apple waste millions of dollars to make a CDMA iPhone that is going to be obsolete in 6 months when they could make an LTE phone that works on both Verizon and At&t. Furthermore I am so excited for everyone to jump ship to Verizon, ya'll will suffer the same bandwidth problems as At&t...and with all of you over on Big Red, Ma Bell will be free and clear.

Why would Motorola waste millions of dollars to create a Droid X when it will be obsolete within 6 months? Why does any technology company bother making anything when products are obsolete the day they go on sale? BECAUSE THEY SELL! There's something better than LTE around the corner, shouldn't Apple wait for that while it's being killed in the market by Android? Yes, I suppose that makes great business sense.

Apple needs to expand market share. It's exclusivity agreement with AT&T has held it back. By opening up the iPhone to CDMA means more sales not just in the US but all over the world. There are still CDMA networks in highly populated areas. Apple can double its quarterly sales by making a CDMA phone. Sounds like a good idea to me.

Also, you do realize that Motorola and Samsung are obsoleting their own Droid phones on a less than 6 month cycle, right? Technology is not an investment people! Technology is a tool.

 

[Brinkman]

CDMA phones are for people who don't travel over seas!

 

[sciwizam]

I will give you an answer.

I saw a report a few months ago that 56% of ALL mobile data traffic was on AT&Ts network and used by the iPhone users. Now consider, that Verizon had 82 Million users to AT&T's 19 Million users, that is a very strong statement about mobile data usage. Android users do not currently use the data that iPhone users use on a daily basis. So the potential is there that Verizon will have problems, but they have had more time to prepare and get ready so they may have no problems. AT&T was blindsided by the amount of data that iPhone users used.

Yeah, about that...

Verizon users outpace iPhone users in data usage

Validas, a company that analyzes cell phone bills and usage for consumers and corporate customers, analyzed 20,000 consumer phone bills between January and May of 2010 and discovered that Verizon Wireless smartphone customers consume on average about 421 megabytes per month. Meanwhile, AT&T iPhone users consume roughly 25 percent less data, or about 338 megabytes per month.

 

[sobeservices2]

Why is VERIZON USING OLD CDMA Technology? While the entire world uses GSM?

Why is VERIZON USING OLD CDMA Technology? While the entire world uses GSM?

 

[URFloorMatt]

Yeah, about that...

Verizon users outpace iPhone users in data usage

Heh, I wouldn't say that's not for lack of trying, the AT&T data network being as spotty and unreliable as it is...

But also, that might be due to the App Store. If Verizon users primarily surf the full web, while iPhone users have gradually replaced a portion of their full web experience with customized apps made by their most frequented websites, then that might explain the lower usage.

 

[bergmef]

CDMA phones are for people who don't travel over seas!

Or we get a throw away if it's just a vacation.

Off topic, how are the international rates for ATT? Never checked.

 

[AmpSkillz]

Why after Verizon has already announced launching an LTE Network do analysts feel the need to continually spew their made up rumors. It is pretty simple...Why would Apple waste millions of dollars to make a CDMA iPhone that is going to be obsolete in 6 months when they could make an LTE phone that works on both Verizon and At&t. Furthermore I am so excited for everyone to jump ship to Verizon, ya'll will suffer the same bandwidth problems as At&t...and with all of you over on Big Red, Ma Bell will be free and clear.

same reason they made the original "obsolete" non 3G iPhone

or did you completely forget about that?

they don't keep making this crap up... it's happening

and "obsolete" is a ridiculous term

you seem to think this technology will suddenly be up and running 100% in 6 months

do you seriously think everyone throws away their phone immediately when a new technology comes out? iPhones sold and activated in December on Verizons CDMA network would quickly add millions of new iOS users for Apple and most of them will keep those phones for 2 years and then stay iOS users if a LTE iPhone comes out later

Apple doesn't care about waiting for the technology, they care about getting Verizon customers hooked on iOS ASAP before every Verizon smartphone user is hooked on Android

 

[chaywesley]

Sprint = CDMA

I assume that it's so unfathomable that Apple would bring the iPhone to Sprint that everyone immediately hears "Verizon" when the words iPhone and CDMA are mentioned in the same sentence?

 

[Branskins]

Yeah, about that...

Verizon users outpace iPhone users in data usage

I don't understand how comparing all of Verizon smartphone usage to ATTs iPhone only. As far as I know, Verizon has a ton of smartphones, and not all of them are Android.

Also, what if this is just a CDMA iPad they are working on? That makes more sense to me at least

 

[bergmef]

Why is VERIZON USING OLD CDMA Technology? While the entire world uses GSM?

My guesses are:
1. It works really well.
2. Great coverage.
3. Excellent scalability
4. Less towers needed and no need to map towers.

CDMA as a network is moving to LTE. CDMA as a technology is being used in the radio link of your GSM phone.

 

[AidenShaw]

If and when they make a CDMA iPhone it will be for other countries and carriers! Jobs will never forgive verizon here in the states!!

If true, Jobs should be fired. Petty personal vendettas by the iCEO shouldn't be a factor in business planning.

I've asked this once and didn't get an answer, so I'll try again.

With the Droid X, Droid Incredible, Droid, Droid 2, Samung Fascinate--why do people seem so content in thinking that an iPhone will clog up the network?

How can the network survive 5 (if not more) very heavy data-using phones, yet people claim that the introduction of one phone is going to slow the network down beyond belief?

I just don't get it.

And you didn't even mention the fact that Verizon sells a ton of EVDO modem cards for laptops, and has agreements with many laptop/netbook manufacturers for build-to-order options of EVDO cards builtin.

I saw a report a few months ago that 56% of ALL mobile data traffic was on AT&Ts network and used by the iPhone users.

Link please. That claim conflicts with a report a few months ago that Verizon Wireless, Sprint Carry More Data Traffic than AT&T (63%).

My guesses are:
1. It works really well.
2. Great coverage.
3. Excellent scalability
4. Less towers needed and no need to map towers.

5. CDMA doesn't cause buzzing in nearby radios, microphones, loudspeakers, ....

 

[sushi]

The timing of this manufacturing run has me wondering about the validity.

Why December? They won't be in the stores in time for the holiday rush. Now if it were October, or maybe even November, I would believe the analyst's projection a lot more.

Off topic, how are the international rates for ATT? Never checked.

In one word, expensive.

I believe AT&T has their international rates posted on their web site if you are interested in finding out.

I just checked for Japan, and calling rates are $2.29 per minute. Looks like data rates are:

• $24.99 for 20MB
• $59.99 for 50MB
• $119.99 for 100MB
• $199.99 for 200MB

Recently visited the US and used my iPad 3G. I believe I used close to 700MB in 2 weeks. Extrapolating at the 200MB rate above, that would be about $700. Probably a little less if you consider the discount for usage.

I'm glad that I could use an AT&T micro-SIM which I paid $25 for 2GB of data/30 days access because Softbank's rates are higher I believe.

Rule of Thumb. If possible, never use mobile devices via roaming.

 

[paul4339]

I assume that it's so unfathomable that Apple would bring the iPhone to Sprint that everyone immediately hears "Verizon" when the words iPhone and CDMA are mentioned in the same sentence?

it's probably just because Verizon has a much larger subscriber base (and hence larger business opportunity) ... I'm sure it's no slight against Sprint. In fact, everything I hear from the EVO users on Sprint's 4g is that they are more than happy with the network. If Apple does release a CDMA I'm sure Sprint will included. (not saying that the iPhone will have 4g/evdo)

P.