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Analyst Claims 3 Million CDMA iPhones Set for December Manufacturing Run

If Apple releases a CDMA phone for the Chinese carriers that does not automatically mean that Verizon would have it as well. Apple first went to Verizon to offer the iPhone but Verizon insisted on controlling the phone, UI and apps.

Before an iPhone could be made for Verizon, regardless of the technology, Verizon would have to agree to allow Apple to control the user experience and app store and Apple would have to create another run specifically for Verizon as CDMA phones are generally "PROGRAMED" for a specific carrier at the factory and there is really no such thing as an "UNLOCKED" CDMA phone because the programming is all in the phone rather than a SIM card.
 
aristotle said:
If Apple releases a CDMA phone for the Chinese carriers that does not automatically mean that Verizon would have it as well. Apple first went to Verizon to offer the iPhone but Verizon insisted on controlling the phone, UI and apps.

Before an iPhone could be made for Verizon, regardless of the technology, Verizon would have to agree to allow Apple to control the user experience and app store and Apple would have to create another run specifically for Verizon as CDMA phones are generally "PROGRAMED" for a specific carrier at the factory and there is really no such thing as an "UNLOCKED" CDMA phone because the programming is all in the phone rather than a SIM card.
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Don't forget that CDMA carriers without R/UIM cards tend to refuse to let devices onto their network unless they are explicitly sold by that provider. So, with the fact that one can't just plop a SIM card and move to a provider, plus the fact that providers will only authorize devices they made money from, a CDMA phone is not a good deal for anyone except someone who is wanting to be with that provider for life.

Those phones and CDMA chips? Those are not for the US market. Verizon will never see those phones here in America, ever. Those are for China, Japan, and Korea where the CDMA networks are actually not crippled and support R/UIM cards.
 
aristotle said:
If Apple releases a CDMA phone for the Chinese carriers that does not automatically mean that Verizon would have it as well. Apple first went to Verizon to offer the iPhone but Verizon insisted on controlling the phone, UI and apps.

Before an iPhone could be made for Verizon, regardless of the technology, Verizon would have to agree to allow Apple to control the user experience and app store and Apple would have to create another run specifically for Verizon as CDMA phones are generally "PROGRAMED" for a specific carrier at the factory and there is really no such thing as an "UNLOCKED" CDMA phone because the programming is all in the phone rather than a SIM card.
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I think Verizon already has agreed...
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/06/verizon-ceo-reveals-that-he-has-asked-apple-for-iphone-rights/
 
Latency

Right, but I've seen some demos of Facetime being used over 3g and it seems okay at best. LTE claims to offer much better latency than 3g. In comparison I get an average of 300-400ms latency over Verizon's 3g. LTE will supposedly cut that to 1/4 time which is somewhere around 70-100ms. Those ping times seem to work out MUCH better for video streaming and quick online games. Steve Jobs stated that they were working on getting Facetime towards OTA instead of just wifi and it seems like a logical progression pattern to me.

I agree that a factor that may cringe Verizon a bit is the fact that they will probably tier data once on LTE. AT&T just isn't an option in my book.


JediZenMaster said:
Actually that's incorrect because facetime uses Wi-fi on other providers in europe as well. :D Quite honestly i wouldn't switch to Verizon because my AT&T service works really good. On the other hand verizon doesn't work for me.

Also i'm pretty sure that verizon will charge an arm and a leg for data which will most likely be tiered. I really honestly don't see people who have unlimited data with AT&T grandfathered to Verizon where they will pay out the ass for data.

The grass does not appear to be greener on big reds side of things
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aristotle said:
Apple first went to Verizon to offer the iPhone but Verizon insisted on controlling the phone, UI and apps.
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A myth. Neither Apple nor Verizon has ever said that a deal fell through because of any UI control issues. And there were no apps at the time to control.

What has been publicly said, is that Verizon wanted to be able to sell the phone through their other dealers such as Best Buy, that they wanted some input on replacement issues (e.g. allowing insurance), and that they wanted subsidies for the customer.

The first and last of those stopped being an issue after a year or so, when Apple opened up to other retailers and allowed subsidies.

Moreover, Verizon would never have allowed the first iPhone on their network to come without 3G and A-GPS. Verizon's smartphones were all 3G at the time, and all their phones had A-GPS for E911 and VZW nav apps.

It would not be surprising if Verizon asked for branding of some sort, however, if a deal had gone further. But apparently the retailer, warranty and other issues prevented further negotiations.
 
???

Okay, so could there be a Verizon iphone??

I am 15 years old, and a huge apple fan boy.

my parents are on Verizon, and thats what I am stuck too.

I have been waiting since forever to get the iphone, will i be able to get one in january?! I really don't want a droid.

ps: and Verizon service is by far the best in my area, at&t can hardly make a call. also Verizon is the only provider that reaches to camp, where I am there all summer long
 
aristotle said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_EvolutionGiven that LTE is an evolution of HSPA/UMTS, it makes more sense to have HSPA+ as a fallback rather than CDMA which is why every other carrier outside of the US is going HSPA+ (including CDMA ones) before going LTE. Canada's CDMA carriers are all now on HSPA+ with the plan to move to LTE once the voice standard is complete. Don't go crying to us because Verizon and Sprint are run by a bunch of clueless hicks.
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Do you have any idea what kind of money it would take to convert the entire Verizon network to HSPA+ just to turn around and convert it once again to LTE? I'm guessing the company wouldn't last long going through two major conversions over a 3 year period. Verizon has a plan that takes it to 4G LTE from their 3G EVDO network. You can call them clueless hicks for not doing a double upgrade I'd call them pretty smart business people.
 
DakotaGuy said:
Do you have any idea what kind of money it would take to convert the entire Verizon network to HSPA+ just to turn around and convert it once again to LTE? I'm guessing the company wouldn't last long going through two major conversions over a 3 year period. Verizon has a plan that takes it to 4G LTE from their 3G EVDO network. You can call them clueless hicks for not doing a double upgrade I'd call them pretty smart business people.
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Which is why they turned down Steve in the 1st place. :cool:
 
aristotle said:
Here is how the evolution of standards went.

CDMA:
CDMA (1G)
CDMA2000 EVDO (2G)
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Huh?

IS-95 CDMA (Actually considered a 2G telecommunications standard)
IS-2000 CDMA 2000 1xRTT (also considered a 2G standard)
EVDO Rev. 0 (considered a 3G standard)
EVDO Rev. A (considered a 3G standard)
EVDO Rev. B (considered a 3G standard, but not used by CDMA carriers at this time)

ghostface147 said:
This is straight from Verizon:

https://www.lte.vzw.com/AboutLTE/VerizonWirelessLTENetwork/tabid/6003/Default.aspx
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Take some time to read that link. It doesn't take much technical understanding to see where Verizon is headed.

Verizon owns the entire 700 Mhz block across the lower 48 states and Hawaii. What this means is that Verizon will be able to build a network that no one will be able to compete with. If you thought their network had great coverage now just wait until the new 700 Mhz 4G LTE network drops. The best thing about 700 Mhz is range and building penetration. Verizon is going to have a powerhouse network with even better coverage.

If Apple doesn't get on this network when it is up and running they will soon see the iPhone die a very slow death at least in the US.
 
These are for China...people will import it and with some finagling and assistance from Verizon you will be able to use it here...Sprint may also unlock these "Chinese iPhones" as well... this is how it will go until exclusivity between Apple and AT&T ends in 2012
 
marksman said:
I just researched this subject and found out there are like a billion + people living in China.

Stay tuned for more updates!
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Update #1: After further research, I discovered that China's per capita income ranks somewhere around 98th, at about $3700 (according to the IMF, World Bank, and CIA Factbook). This is about 8% of the average American's income.

Of course, income isn't evenly distributed in China (even though it is nominally communist). There's definitely a large, lucrative market to be found there. But realistically speaking, it's not remotely close to a billion.
 
DeuxIt said:
china. china's largest wireless provider is cdma. they have more customer than there are people in the usa. that is why they would spend millions on a cdma phone in light of lte.
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China's largest Cellphone provider is China Mobile and they use GSM and UTMS(TD-SCDMA). The CDMA part is SCDMA does not mean it is based of CDMA.

The second largest provider in the world is Vodafone and they use GSM exclusively.

You lose.
 
MorphingDragon said:
China's largest Cellphone provider is China Mobile and they use GSM , W-CDMA(Based off GSM) and TD-SCDMA. America uses CDMA2000.

The second largest provider in the world is Vodafone and they use GSM exclusively.

You lose.
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Cellco Partnership, doing business as Verizon Wireless, is a wireless phone provider that owns and operates the largest mobile telecommunications network in the United States, based on a total of 92.1 million U.S. subscribers.[1] Headquartered in Basking Ridge, New Jersey,[2] the company is a joint venture of U.S. telecommunications firm Verizon Communications and British-based multinational mobile network operator Vodafone Group, with 55 and 45 percent ownership respectively.[
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Looks to me like Vodafone owns a whole bunch of CDMA.... ;)
 
So Apple is going to release the Verizon CDMA iPhone 4 in Q1 of 2011 and then a few months later announce the iPhone 5?

Seems unlikely.
 
blipper said:
Yeah, my ATT service is not good in central Baltimore all the way up to Southern York County. Only place I've found ATT to be better is on the Eastern Shore.
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It's ok in Towson where I work, but home in the Pasadena area I could do better with 2 cans and a string. Since my cell is my only phone, I don't want a femtocell or whatever they call it since as soon as I leave the house, I'm in a dead area again. I'll wait I guess. The ATT guy was super nice though. Showed a topo map with the local towers. Soon as I saw it I knew why I had no signal. I asked about a tower on this side of the hill and he said he really doubted it. Too few customers (potentially) to justify the cost.
 
I work for AT&T....


It doesnt make sense for Verizon to get the iPhone. They are moving to an LTE network (Like AT&T), which is based on GSM Technology. For their iPhone to work, and be able to roam the USA, it would need to be able to fall back on CDMA, which means the iPhone would need to be dual-band.

Also, if the iPhone was dual band, and fell back onto a CDMA network outside of an LTE zone, it would be UNABLE to do simultaneous voice and data; meaning that you could not talk and surf the web at the same time or do anything other than talk. CDMA cannot do simultaneous voice and data, and never will.

Not to mention the iPhone would quickly need to be replaced if it was not dual band, and strictly CDMA, once they went to an entirely LTE (GSM) network.

Im sure this is over some of your heads, but these are facts. The Techy people will understand, and Im sure agree.
 
Evo-L said:
I work for AT&T....


It doesnt make sense for Verizon to get the iPhone. They are moving to an LTE network (Like AT&T), which is based on GSM Technology. For their iPhone to work, and be able to roam the USA, it would need to be able to fall back on CDMA, which means the iPhone would need to be dual-band.

Also, if the iPhone was dual band, and fell back onto a CDMA network outside of an LTE zone, it would be UNABLE to do simultaneous voice and data; meaning that you could not talk and surf the web at the same time or do anything other than talk. CDMA cannot do simultaneous voice and data, and never will.

Not to mention the iPhone would quickly need to be replaced if it was not dual band, and strictly CDMA, once they went to an entirely LTE (GSM) network.

Im sure this is over some of your heads, but these are facts. The Techy people will understand, and Im sure agree.
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Ummmm did you not read the past 5 pages?????
 
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