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Still think I'm going to get an XR, Blue, 64 GB. Cheaper than an 11 by $100 and everything I need. Much faster than my 6s.

Great plan, but I would shell out a bit more for the XS Max if you can justify the slightly higher price (but you can often get a new (not refurb) XS Max with significant savings if u search around for deals from resellers). The X series and up are truly so much better than the 6/6s/7/8 series in every way. Good color choice too, love blue.
 
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People buy iPhone SE cuz its cheap. Not cuz its f**king small. Screw small ass phones. You literally have to squint to read/watch the content on the tiny screen. If your SE is almost broken, just upgrade to a larger iPhone. Damn, people really like small phones here, which is not the case in the real world. Everyone prefers the largest, most powerful phone available and do not make up some whiney "compact and portable" excuse.
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this is the real reason people buy the SE. PRICE. NOT cuz its small.
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NOOOO!!!!!! I dont want to switch ports and adaptors AGAIN (after 30 pin)! Apple is the superior brand, and android (USB C phones) are inferior, therefore the world should adapt to Lightning and not stupid android standards (USB C). People should think of Lightning as the best standard, and USB C as the inferior standard. It's an honour to carry around dongles cuz it shows ppl that you have the best Apple device.

iPhone is superior :) Right. You noticed what iPad and MacBooks are using?
 
...that makes it the only current generation iPhone capable of being used to make secure contactless payments without taking off a mask.

Watching people use FaceID for contactless payment at the supermarket has always been a laughriot, even before it carried a potentially life-threatening / plague-vector risk.

Oh, I don’t know. When I go to Costco, I can set up a whole cart full of stuff with Bar codes up and ready to scan. I pull out my XS, it FaceID unlocks, I tap the Costco App and memebership, up pops my member ID with pic and QR. Cashier starts to scan my items, I walk 2 strides to card reader, two squeezes on side button and Apple Pay is ready, then scanned. If I’m wearing a mask, 2-5 seconds to pull down the mask, allow FaceID to read again, unlock Apple Pay, mask back up.

Most times, I’m into the cashier and out in less than a minute even with $200 worth of Costco items from scan membership to handed the receipt. And cashiers thank me for them needing to do a lot less work.

Pretty much the same at any store I go to where they take Apple Pay, and yes, two clicks of side bar on Apple Watch 4 does the same.

Let’s say it starts at ~$399 as you’re asking (Similarly to what the 2016 SE started at) . I don’t necessarily believe a $399 price point will ultimately make this the ‘success point’ for this new iPhone, being are consumers really upgrading their tech items right now given the economic conditions? I’d say they’re not, as long as the phone is working perfectly fine, a new iPhone probably isn’t a priority on their list/deemed as ‘non-essential’. But globally for a price point at $399, I think the phone would do very well long-term, but I don’t think it would be a ‘sell-out’ given how things are currently in the economy.

The $399 price point is a place where many are buying mid priced Androids so the new SE is the global entry point for new and replacement iOS users. Up until the global slowdown , this was a great plan and it still is, simply because as the economies recover, whenever that happens, Apple will have iPhones covering all price points from $400 on up. And, IMO, the $399 is for a base 64GB model, I suspect there will be a $499 $128GB and $599 256G model. Those who had saved up probably will make the $499 model the biggest seller in the US while in China or India, the $399 model will excel.

It’s all about conquest sales from Android and of course leverage into the iOS ecosystem and services.

well lets see who is still able to afford the iPhone 12 by the end of the year once the next great recession kicks in

Oh, there’s still quite a few people out there who can and will afford it, if they wish to spend. Those with prudent investments will weather the storm. If one owns 330 share of Apple, the annual dividends will buy you a new $1000 phone each year. Own only 165 shares and you could buy a new phone every two years.

Touch id doesn't work well with gloves though.

Exactly and if your gloves are so thin it can read your fingerprint, those gloves aren’t much protection in the long run.
 
So at the end of last week we had the rumor that the iPhone SE was imminent: I was so ready for it to be announced Tuesday! That we're still here waiting takes some of the enthusiasm out. Ready to ramp it up again next week though: I've been awaiting its release for months, lol.

I currently have an SE that I got right when it came out, first half of 2016. Hopefully it isn't unreasonable to expect a similar four years out of this next one. That means that this purchase could be my ONLY phone purchase over an eight year span. I'm allowing myself to be a little jazzed about that!

There could be a new 4” iPhone SE 2 with reportedly coming at the end of April.
 
People buy iPhone SE cuz its cheap. Not cuz its f**king small. Screw small ass phones. You literally have to squint to read/watch the content on the tiny screen. If your SE is almost broken, just upgrade to a larger iPhone. Damn, people really like small phones here, which is not the case in the real world. Everyone prefers the largest, most powerful phone available and do not make up some whiney "compact and portable" excuse.
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this is the real reason people buy the SE. PRICE. NOT cuz its small.

Oh lord.. where do I start
I can agree the whole purpose of the SE line is more budget focused, ie. putting newer internals in old designs, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a substantial market for smaller phones.
You like your big screen, that’s good for you! But the world doesn’t revolve around you and your personal needs. We all have different use cases for our phones. Not everyone needs all that screen real estate, not everyone uses their phone as their primary device. Many people have small hands, unlike you many people just want a compact phone they can use and grab in one hand entirely without worry of dropping it. Women have notoriously small pockets in comparison to men, even a 6/6s/7/8 sized phone is too large to keep in our pockets a LOT of the time.

Stop being so narrow minded.
 
Why on last leg? My SE still runs great. Meaning, it runs everything and it’s not slow. BUT there was some kind of recent update or something that took a toll on my battery life. When using safari, sometimes it continually drains 1 percent every 7 seconds until I exit. But not always, it’s weird.
I have an iPhone 6s which is similar to SE. iOS 13 is the first iOS update that significantly deteriorated my battery life even though I got a battery replacement end of 2018 and maximum capacity is 94%. And WiFi doesn’t really work at all when Bluetooth is on. So I switch off Bluetooth when at home. Maybe you could try that.
 
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TouchID works through thin enough gloves, but yes, that's why I specified the only phone that works for contactless now.
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Oh lord.. where do I start
I can agree the whole purpose of the SE line is more budget focused, ie. putting newer internals in old designs, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a substantial market for smaller phones.
You like your big screen, that’s good for you! But the world doesn’t revolve around you and your personal needs. We all have different use cases for our phones. Not everyone needs all that screen real estate, not everyone uses their phone as their primary device. Many people have small hands, unlike you many people just want a compact phone they can use and grab in one hand entirely without worry of dropping it. Women have notoriously small pockets in comparison to men, even a 6/6s/7/8 sized phone is too large to keep in our pockets a LOT of the time.

Stop being so narrow minded.
Instead of throwing some insult, why don’t you say except for your personal preferences, you don’t understand the demographics enough to make general statements about the size preferences of the hundreds of millions Apple customers.
 
Great plan, but I would shell out a bit more for the XS Max if you can justify the slightly higher price (but you can often get a new (not refurb) XS Max with significant savings if u search around for deals from resellers). The X series and up are truly so much better than the 6/6s/7/8 series in every way. Good color choice too, love blue.

I'd agree, but I can't justify the higher price. The XR is going to be so much better than the 6s I already have that I'll be happy once I understand the new gesture navigation system and FaceID.
 
People buy iPhone SE cuz its cheap. Not cuz its f**king small. Screw small ass phones. You literally have to squint to read/watch the content on the tiny screen. If your SE is almost broken, just upgrade to a larger iPhone. Damn, people really like small phones here, which is not the case in the real world. Everyone prefers the largest, most powerful phone available and do not make up some whiney "compact and portable" excuse.
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this is the real reason people buy the SE. PRICE. NOT cuz its small.
When I purchased my SE, it was because it was small. I have come to accept that that appears to not be its reason for being. But at the time I got it because I was not pleased with the size and external design of the iPhone 6/S.

I think in March of 2016 it was extremely reasonable to believe that small form factor was the defining attribute of the SE. It had two such attributes: it was unique (within the iPhone line, I mean) in its size and it was unique in having the latest chip at the lowest price tier (or at least sharing the lowest; I don't remember what the 6 was going for at the time). Even Apple may not have had a clear idea of what "SE" was supposed to mean (they probably did, just that they may not have). It could just have been a happy coincidence: they wanted to do a less expensive phone by using old parts, and those old parts happened to be to a phone the size of which they no longer made.

Anyway, SE has been a one-off so far. There was no trend to follow. But if this imminent phone is in fact branded SE, then we have two points, a trend. We'll be able to see a pattern.
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I'd agree, but I can't justify the higher price. The XR is going to be so much better than the 6s I already have that I'll be happy once I understand the new gesture navigation system and FaceID.
For my part, though the XR looks like an extremely capable phone and a great deal, I just think it's too big. I've just come to accept that the 6 form factor is it, the new "small," and I will enthusiastically purchase this new SE (pending solid information)...but I just can't go bigger. It's a pity, there are some things I do like a lot about the XR.
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Love Face ID, but now that many of us have to wear masks more and more, we really could use Touch ID again.
I know there are a lot of responses to this one that reference the gloves people will be wearing (even before this, it was an issue: I live in Minnesota where we often have gloves on). But I prefer TouchID because it gives me a feeling like I'm more in control. FaceID seems like the phone is in control. It is LOOKING to be unlocked. TouchID is something I control: it takes more than a glance.
 
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Calling somebody narrow minded is an insult. Calling their post nonsense or disagreeing with their opinion is a comment on the subject matter, not the poster.

When you blatantly disregard someone elses opinion saying “no one likes a small phone” just because that’s what he thinks it tends to make someone narrow minded.
 
Man, I need that iPhone SE(2020) like TODAY. My iPhone SE JUST broke. It won't read the SIM. I've tried restarting the phone like a million times. Popped the SIM out, popped it back in. It will not read... Dang. I have basically an iPod Touch right now. What do you guys recommend I do for two weeks if that ships on April 22 is true?
 
Calling somebody narrow minded is an insult. Calling their post nonsense or disagreeing with their opinion is a comment on the subject matter, not the poster.
It’s tough in text to find the line. “You’re being dismissive.” Or “You’re being dismissive which deserves call-out for being narrow-minded.” Or “You’re being dismissive which makes you narrow-minded which makes you a jerk.”

There’s a line there, but where it is would probably be affected by tone and delivery, which of course we lack.
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Man, I need that iPhone SE(2020) like TODAY. My iPhone SE JUST broke. It won't read the SIM. I've tried restarting the phone like a million times. Popped the SIM out, popped it back in. It will not read... Dang. I have basically an iPod Touch right now. What do you guys recommend I do for two weeks if that ships on April 22 is true?
Oh jeez that sucks! I don’t suppose any old phones you can borrow for a couple of weeks you can put your sim in?
 
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It’s tough in text to find the line. “You’re being dismissive.” Or “You’re being dismissive which deserves call-out for being narrow-minded.” Or “You’re being dismissive which makes you narrow-minded which makes you a jerk.”

There’s a line there, but where it is would probably be affected by tone and delivery, which of course we lack.
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Oh jeez that sucks! I don’t suppose any old phones you can borrow for a couple of weeks you can put your sim in?

Nope....

The iPhone 5 that this is SE replaced had a shattered screen, and I recycled it in 2018.

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I have an iPhone 6s which is similar to SE. iOS 13 is the first iOS update that significantly deteriorated my battery life even though I got a battery replacement end of 2018 and maximum capacity is 94%. And WiFi doesn’t really work at all when Bluetooth is on. So I switch off Bluetooth when at home. Maybe you could try that.
Thanks but I think my issue is a different thing. You might be right about iOS 13 bringing down general battery life (does seem shorter), but my WiFi works fine as far as I can tell. My issue is that battery percentage drops almost per second when using safari, definitely on cellular, can't remember if it’s happened on WiFi.
 
Man, I need that iPhone SE(2020) like TODAY. My iPhone SE JUST broke. It won't read the SIM. I've tried restarting the phone like a million times. Popped the SIM out, popped it back in. It will not read... Dang. I have basically an iPod Touch right now. What do you guys recommend I do for two weeks if that ships on April 22 is true?

They are enormous owners of the original iPhone SE and Apple will be able to earn a large portion of sales with 4” iPhone SE 2 in 2020.
 
When you blatantly disregard someone elses opinion saying “no one likes a small phone” just because that’s what he thinks it tends to make someone narrow minded.
OP probably should have used the word "seems" in there to make it more of an opinion. But my comment still stands.

From what I've seen some people like smaller phones, but in my circle, with one exception, the people I know use larger phones, so the OPs opinion may be valid.
 
Except this isn’t accurate. The only thing better with the A12X is the GPU. Otherwise almost every benchmark is in favour of the A13.

You're gonna need to to point me to these benchmarks you are so sure of. The A13 is only like 20% faster than the A12 core for core. Considering you are comparing a 6 Core (2 big, 4 little) A13 to a an A12(x or z) with 8 cores (4 big, 4 little), the lack of IPC of the A12 in the iPads A12 is more than made up for in having 2 additional faster cores in anything that is multi-threaded. Sure. Single threaded the A13 will win by as much as 20%, but otherwise the A12 will.
 
How can you predict this with such certainty?
Macrumors forum is not represantitive of the average customer. People on here are entitled beyond belief. And also very picky, much more than the average man and woman.
 
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