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Analyst Expects Apple to Launch New iPhone SE in Mid-April, 6.7-Inch iPhone 12 in October
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Why are you still trying to push this? OP is grown up enough to respond to my comment if he had any issues with my it.
Sometimes when someone is being needlessly harsh like OP you have to call them out, and I’ve literally said nothing wrong. To be narrow minded is to not be able to look at others points of views, which he clearly demonstrated.
And your own experience by your narrow group of people you know doesn’t correlate to everyone elses demands, pretty sure Apple doesn’t go directly to you and your friends of all people to conduct market research.
Because this is an open Internet forum and we are all free to express our opinions?
I didn’t see the op being “harsh”. But from my narrow anecdotal opinion I see the merit in ops’ observations. I don’t see any counter at all, that ops’ opinion may be far off base. Just some other wide generalized opinions that seemed to be couched as a fact.
It’s true Apple hasn’t asked my opinion directly but I’m sure someone (or lots of someone’s were asked). But given that the “SE” form factor hasn’t been given much attention I’m guessing Apple doesn’t view that form factor as a major player in its lineup.
IRS: We have begun depositing stimulus funds into accounts.
Apple: We are now releasing iPhone SE 2 at a cost of just $1200 please, and thank you.
Apple: We are now releasing iPhone SE 2 at a cost of just $1200 please, and thank you.
It's common knowledge that larger phone sizes are more profitable, and coincidentally such sizes are popular in Asia, and arguably with women who can put them in a bag. By the same token smaller phones normally get conflated with budget phones because they use less expensive screens and phone manufacturers then conflate smaller screens with being a budget option just because one or two parts can be cheaper.
It's the same issue that AMD has had for their mobile products in the last few years - their mobile CPUs have been lagging behind until their highly popular 4000U series Ryzen 3 CPUs. Hardly anyone will make high end top build quality laptops with AMD in because the last few years AMD CPUs have ended up in shoddy budget build rubbish which then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy - AMD CPUs in laptops are rubbish (small rubbish screens, plastic build, rubbery keys, awful battery life etc).
If Apple continue to put the lowest spec CPU into the smaller screens they'll be seen as a budget option, so nobody will buy a smaller one.
With a 5.4" option coming this year - probably some sort of iPhone 12 SKU - It remains to be seen how they'll price it up but it could stand next to a 6.1" iPhone 12 as a 'Mini' option in roughly the same size as a 4.7" iPhone 9/SE but in the new form factor.
Such a phone may have a smaller screen but it must not compromise on battery life - even if it had to be thicker to accomplish that - and perhaps even be priced the same as a standard 12 by coming with higher base storage perhaps to justify that.
It's the same issue that AMD has had for their mobile products in the last few years - their mobile CPUs have been lagging behind until their highly popular 4000U series Ryzen 3 CPUs. Hardly anyone will make high end top build quality laptops with AMD in because the last few years AMD CPUs have ended up in shoddy budget build rubbish which then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy - AMD CPUs in laptops are rubbish (small rubbish screens, plastic build, rubbery keys, awful battery life etc).
If Apple continue to put the lowest spec CPU into the smaller screens they'll be seen as a budget option, so nobody will buy a smaller one.
With a 5.4" option coming this year - probably some sort of iPhone 12 SKU - It remains to be seen how they'll price it up but it could stand next to a 6.1" iPhone 12 as a 'Mini' option in roughly the same size as a 4.7" iPhone 9/SE but in the new form factor.
Such a phone may have a smaller screen but it must not compromise on battery life - even if it had to be thicker to accomplish that - and perhaps even be priced the same as a standard 12 by coming with higher base storage perhaps to justify that.
A beats lineup updated, rebranded, and repackaged as an Apple product lineup (think Airpods Pro Lite plus over-the-ear high-end headphones) would sell heaps more than Beats. Apple bought beats for the streaming infrastructure and executive leadership primarily.
It seems like if Apple were going to jettison the Beats brand, they would have done it 5 years ago. Beats has very high margin products, and they throw off a ton of cash.
Apple can do whatever they want in the headphone space regardless of Beats’s existence, or its products. The brand is valuable, and there’s really no reason I can see to kill it.
The launch of original iPhone SE is not far from the iPhone 8 and both form factors can get an update.
Great trolling. I buy the device for its size for sure.
I usually only read the forum, but here I think I need to get into the discussion. I have the impression that some don't read the news/rumors carefully or cannot really connect the dots.
For some time there is a talk about a new iPhone, supposedly coming this spring. Despite predictions clearly stating that it is gonna resemble iPhone 8, we're still discussing if it's gonna be a new version of old SE.
Nope, this will be "SE 2", but only per "Special Edition" moniker: utilising old generations body (form factor) and new (current gen) tech inside. If we believe Kuo and others, it will be basically refreshed iPhone 8. Classic, but with current tech. I'm curious if it's for pushing some technological agenda forward (per blog "Ata Distance" A13 bionic needed for NFC background reading and apple pay power reserve), purelly business (aka "we have some old parts, let's repack them as new and sell") or both.
We can debate about the name (or if we are believing this rumors at all
) - maybe Apple will go with SE again, I personally like "9" better, but I don't think all fans of tiny little phones should hold their breath for April premiere.
But we already know that anyway. Because they are receiving their small phone in Autumn!
I mean not everyone
Some remember that:
So, we can end arguments which size is better because everyone will got one in 2020
Also, note that this scenario is quite probable if you read other, more analytical sources like Above Avalon: iPhone business is maturing, so to maintain sales Apple will offer more models and perhaps more premiere dates. And (as he was speculating about naming conventions before last year iPhones) we could observe push to more iPad-like lineup: premium iPhone Pro in two sizes, iPhone as a base model and iPhone "mini" in a smaller size. (Plus maybe spring-released "cheap" one)
It all make perfect sense and the upcoming lineup honestly seems exciting!
For some time there is a talk about a new iPhone, supposedly coming this spring. Despite predictions clearly stating that it is gonna resemble iPhone 8, we're still discussing if it's gonna be a new version of old SE.
Nope, this will be "SE 2", but only per "Special Edition" moniker: utilising old generations body (form factor) and new (current gen) tech inside. If we believe Kuo and others, it will be basically refreshed iPhone 8. Classic, but with current tech. I'm curious if it's for pushing some technological agenda forward (per blog "Ata Distance" A13 bionic needed for NFC background reading and apple pay power reserve), purelly business (aka "we have some old parts, let's repack them as new and sell") or both.
We can debate about the name (or if we are believing this rumors at all
) - maybe Apple will go with SE again, I personally like "9" better, but I don't think all fans of tiny little phones should hold their breath for April premiere. But we already know that anyway. Because they are receiving their small phone in Autumn!
I mean not everyone
I don't really think 4" (!) screen in 2020 is a possibility. I think, as others you mean old 4" iPhone form factor - so iPhone 5/5S/SE size. And if you would read rumors about upcoming iPhone 12 family you'd know that this iPhone is coming.
Some remember that:
That is exactly what is happening - if you calculate the dimensions of iPhone 5S/SE you'll get roughly 5,4" - surprisingly rumored new size for this Autumn.
So, we can end arguments which size is better because everyone will got one in 2020
Also, note that this scenario is quite probable if you read other, more analytical sources like Above Avalon: iPhone business is maturing, so to maintain sales Apple will offer more models and perhaps more premiere dates. And (as he was speculating about naming conventions before last year iPhones) we could observe push to more iPad-like lineup: premium iPhone Pro in two sizes, iPhone as a base model and iPhone "mini" in a smaller size. (Plus maybe spring-released "cheap" one)
It all make perfect sense and the upcoming lineup honestly seems exciting!
That is exactly what is happening - if you calculate the dimensions of iPhone 5S/SE you'll get roughly 5,4" - surprisingly rumored new size for this Autumn.
So, we can end arguments which size is better because everyone will got one in 2020
Also, note that this scenario is quite probable if you read other, more analytical sources like Above Avalon: iPhone business is maturing, so to maintain sales Apple will offer more models and perhaps more premiere dates. And (as he was speculating about naming conventions before last year iPhones) we could observe push to more iPad-like lineup: premium iPhone Pro in two sizes, iPhone as a base model and iPhone "mini" in a smaller size. (Plus maybe spring-released "cheap" one)
It all make perfect sense and the upcoming lineup honestly seems exciting!
If Apple were resurrecting the 8 Plus body shell the logical screen size would be 5.5" and they'd release it at the same time as the 9/SE with the same A13 SoC.
The fact that it seems to be waiting until September and is an unusual size screen - pointedly 5.4" and not 5.5" on reflection suggests more like it'll be a variant of iPhone 12 with A14 SoC.
If Apple reduce the bezels like they do with the Pros we could end up with an iPhone 12 effectively being the same size device as the SE/9.
Samsung appear to be giving up on LCD production as unprofitable, so perhaps Apple - with their huge buying power - intend to make all iPhone 12 variants with OLED screens as per the stories we have seen so far because LCD is fast becoming seen as a commodity for budget phones.
We we then see miniLED in future 'Pro' phones too?
If we're also getting an all new physical design (that follows the iPad Pro slab sided book) and perhaps even 5g then perhaps that's the time for the new phones to come with USB-C with the EU pushing phone manufacturers to adopt it as soon as Q3 this year.
Could Apple actually split the range by releasing the 2 iPhone 12 models (5.4" and 6.1") in September with Lightning ports and delaying the Pro models till Q4 where they will come with USB-C port?
The iPhone SE/9, based on the 8 body shell, evades this ruling by coming out effectively at the start of Q2 and then as an existing product Apple could just continue selling it.
There’s a lot of wish expression on any forum or comment section. Nothing wrong with it (besides, occasionally, attitude) but I agree with the sentiment I’m inferring that it can be frustrating to read.I usually only read the forum, but here I think I need to get into the discussion. I have the impression that some don't read the news/rumors carefully or cannot really connect the dots.
For some time there is a talk about a new iPhone, supposedly coming this spring. Despite predictions clearly stating that it is gonna resemble iPhone 8, we're still discussing if it's gonna be a new version of old SE.
Nope, this will be "SE 2", but only per "Special Edition" moniker: utilising old generations body (form factor) and new (current gen) tech inside. If we believe Kuo and others, it will be basically refreshed iPhone 8. Classic, but with current tech. I'm curious if it's for pushing some technological agenda forward (per blog "Ata Distance" A13 bionic needed for NFC background reading and apple pay power reserve), purelly business (aka "we have some old parts, let's repack them as new and sell") or both.
We can debate about the name (or if we are believing this rumors at all
But we already know that anyway. Because they are receiving their small phone in Autumn!
I mean not everyone
I don't really think 4" (!) screen in 2020 is a possibility. I think, as others you mean old 4" iPhone form factor - so iPhone 5/5S/SE size. And if you would read rumors about upcoming iPhone 12 family you'd know that this iPhone is coming.
Some remember that:
That is exactly what is happening - if you calculate the dimensions of iPhone 5S/SE you'll get roughly 5,4" - surprisingly rumored new size for this Autumn.
So, we can end arguments which size is better because everyone will got one in 2020
Also, note that this scenario is quite probable if you read other, more analytical sources like Above Avalon: iPhone business is maturing, so to maintain sales Apple will offer more models and perhaps more premiere dates. And (as he was speculating about naming conventions before last year iPhones) we could observe push to more iPad-like lineup: premium iPhone Pro in two sizes, iPhone as a base model and iPhone "mini" in a smaller size. (Plus maybe spring-released "cheap" one)
It all make perfect sense and the upcoming lineup honestly seems exciting!
it's less likely you going to see a new 5.5” iPhone 8s and that's not in the horizon from Apple which can be replaced by the smaller form factor of iPhone 12.
The rumors are 6.1/6.7” in the Pro series, with three cameras plus LiDAR scanner, and 5.4/6.1” in the regular series with Dusl camera. All OLED.I usually only read the forum, but here I think I need to get into the discussion. I have the impression that some don't read the news/rumors carefully or cannot really connect the dots.
For some time there is a talk about a new iPhone, supposedly coming this spring. Despite predictions clearly stating that it is gonna resemble iPhone 8, we're still discussing if it's gonna be a new version of old SE.
Nope, this will be "SE 2", but only per "Special Edition" moniker: utilising old generations body (form factor) and new (current gen) tech inside. If we believe Kuo and others, it will be basically refreshed iPhone 8. Classic, but with current tech. I'm curious if it's for pushing some technological agenda forward (per blog "Ata Distance" A13 bionic needed for NFC background reading and apple pay power reserve), purelly business (aka "we have some old parts, let's repack them as new and sell") or both.
We can debate about the name (or if we are believing this rumors at all
But we already know that anyway. Because they are receiving their small phone in Autumn!
I mean not everyone
I don't really think 4" (!) screen in 2020 is a possibility. I think, as others you mean old 4" iPhone form factor - so iPhone 5/5S/SE size. And if you would read rumors about upcoming iPhone 12 family you'd know that this iPhone is coming.
Some remember that:
That is exactly what is happening - if you calculate the dimensions of iPhone 5S/SE you'll get roughly 5,4" - surprisingly rumored new size for this Autumn.
So, we can end arguments which size is better because everyone will got one in 2020
Also, note that this scenario is quite probable if you read other, more analytical sources like Above Avalon: iPhone business is maturing, so to maintain sales Apple will offer more models and perhaps more premiere dates. And (as he was speculating about naming conventions before last year iPhones) we could observe push to more iPad-like lineup: premium iPhone Pro in two sizes, iPhone as a base model and iPhone "mini" in a smaller size. (Plus maybe spring-released "cheap" one)
It all make perfect sense and the upcoming lineup honestly seems exciting!
Also, if you calculate a 5.4” screen instead of a 6.1” display, you get a 5.4” that’s the same width as the 8 but about 10-11mm less tall in height iirc. So quite a bit bigger than the SE, though.
re: the SE2 lineup, rumors have a Plus version (5.5 LCD) coming out at some point, maybe as long as a year from now. As you mention, there is no 4.0” iPhone coming. That’s as likely as a 3.5” model—0% chance.
So it's happening tomorrow (14/04) or the day after (15/04). Very excited!
A genuine Plus edition would use the 8 Plus case but that's designed for Lightning connecter which might be forbidden in the EU by next year. An SE Plus/9 Plus only really makes sense to me if it was launched at the same time as the non-Plus version.
There's also a question over whether such a phone would come with A14 CPU or A13 CPU if released next year, and if A13 why isn't it released now.
And by this time next year you could expect the 11 to drop down to the price of the current Xr. There is a gap between an SE/9 and cut price 11 in September but would this mean that the Xr drops into the gap vacated by the 8 Plus (for around £549) until an unspecified point next year when a smaller SE Plus/9 Plus gets launched?
You would then be trading a bigger screened phone with an older CPU for an older design with a more modern CPU. Very confusing and possibly the reason why a 5.4" iPhone 12 Mini is coming into existence.
I think we have to accept at this point that the 4.0" and 3.5" sizes are not viable any longer for iPhones but somehow a 4" iPod touch is still viable. The iPod Touch still sports the A10 CPU and was only refreshed in May of last year.
Though I appreciate people zeroing in on screen size, I'm much more interested in case size. I don't read the iPhone 12 items on the site, as I don't at all intend to get one; but I have seen references in the comments on this item to the iPhone 12 having a 5.4" screen but being a smaller case size than (what we assume to be) the form of the iPhone SE (i.e. the iPhone 8). I think I read somewhere in the comments that it could be much closer to the size of the current 5/S case. Do I understand that correctly?
We probably need to clarify a couple of things. It's fairly easy to imagine a theoretical iPhone 9 (for the sake of example) taking the existing iPhone 8 case lock stock and barrel. It has a 4.7" but the overall physical dimensions of this device could be roughly the same as the supposedly forthcoming iPhone 12 Mini which has a 5.4" screen but comes with OLED panel.
We're imagining that as stories link the entire iPhone 12 range with OLED screens that both the Non Pro phones will have smaller bezels (same as the Pro phones). This would lead to a conclusion that the 5.4" iPhone 12 Mini (again for want of a more accurate description) will actually be roughly the same size in the hand as the iPhone 9 because of the smaller bezels.
The issue for the 12 Mini is the price which, with OLED screen and A14 CPU, you can't really expect it to drop much below the price of the 12 (or current 11) if at all - Apple could easily keep the value of that up by giving it a higher base storage for example.
I hope that pretty much answers your question then.
The next bit of priced up for a UK audience regarding the iPhone line-up in September:
Obviously where an iPhone 12 might come in at £729, the iPhone 11 drops to where the Xr is at the moment - £629.
Coming up below those two is a 64Gb iPhone 9 which will retail at £429-479 depending on how Apple price up.
So there's potentially a £150-200 gap between the 9 and the 11 where the Xr would traditionally have gone. The iPhone 8 Plus currently retails at £579 according to Apple and if the Xr was actually two models, the 'bigger one' would have taken that price point.
But as a sole phone the logic is in place for that phone to drop to cost £529 (priced between the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus) which makes it a nice neat £100 drop from its current price of £629. The caveat for the Xr is that it has an older A12 CPU in the bigger screen.
Apple could choose to discontinue the Xr early in favour of a 5.5" iPhone 9 Plus but why would they want to ask the same money for older tech, smaller screen, older cameras, but which happens to have a newer CPU?
And even then it doesn't seem to make sense delaying that 9 Plus by a year because the same question would get levelled at that Phone vs an iPhone 11 which would logically drop into the entry level position.
OK, that does make total sense, thanks for the clarification! I was concerned that the rumored fall iPhones would be much closer in size to the 5/5S/SE (2016), which sounded unlikely despite how small the bezels got. But that it would be similar to the 6/6S/7/8/SE (2020) makes more sense.
Is that the 6.1” iPhone 12 you are referring to?
up against a 4.7” iPhone 8?
I had the iPhone X for some time until I couldn’t take the battery drain anymore. Picked up the XR last year, great phone!
fast, battery life will last all day however I always have issues with reception and the front facing cam isn’t that great. For $100 I would HIGHLY recommend if you can upgrade to the 11. The processor alone and cameras inside the XR body are worth it.