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Analyst Raises 2010 iPad Sales Estimate to 8 Million
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In 2006, the number of suicides in the USA was about 33,000. 12.3 suicides per 100,000 people per year. Foxconn has 480,000 employees. If the suicide rate at Foxconn was the same as the suicide rate in the general population of the USA, they would have 53 suicides per year and about 600-1200 attempts per year. Working at Foxconn seems to be much, much less stressful than living in the USA.
And the "breaks only for sleeping and eating" is something that you just made up. And the "30 suicides so far" - well, since when? And I've never read a number that high, so can you give a source for this?
If high iPod, iPad, and iPhone sales mean the Mac is dead, I wonder whether strong Camry sales mean Lexus is dead, or strong Mini sales mean BMW is dead, or strong Mac Mini sales mean the Mac Pro is dead, or whether strong Sony Walkman sales meant that Sony stereo components were dead?
Some interesting logic here.
Though (hee hee) not to hijack the thread, but I'd buy a new Mac if they made a tower in between the Mini and Pro.
Some interesting logic here.
Though (hee hee) not to hijack the thread, but I'd buy a new Mac if they made a tower in between the Mini and Pro.
But it started out close to $250 per share this morning and before that it was a little more and before that a little more...
What is going on?
AAPL you are headed in the wrong direction! Please turn around and go back the way you came!
Sell off due to market move and not Apple fundamentals. Get used to it.
In 1998, Apple introduced their new product strategy. They said that they were simplifying down to four products-- a consumer desktop and laptop, and a Pro desktop and laptop. They said this was so they could turn the products every few months, instead of once a year. Fast forward to 2010, we've got Pro and Consumer desktops and laptops... and the MacBook Air, the Mac Mini, the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, the Apple TV... and as a result, we're back to the 1997 way of rotating products.
I see the success of the iPad as encouraging this trend-- next year, we'll have the iPad XL and the iPhone Mini, and the iPad Pro and the Apple TV that's actually a TV-- and as a result, the computers, the core of Apple, the best products Apple makes, will be left behind. It's a shame really-- Apple leaving their roots of making the best computers money can buy to cater to consumers with cheap touch screen devices and lackluster feature sets.
I want the Apple I used to know back.
I see the success of the iPad as encouraging this trend-- next year, we'll have the iPad XL and the iPhone Mini, and the iPad Pro and the Apple TV that's actually a TV-- and as a result, the computers, the core of Apple, the best products Apple makes, will be left behind. It's a shame really-- Apple leaving their roots of making the best computers money can buy to cater to consumers with cheap touch screen devices and lackluster feature sets.
I want the Apple I used to know back.
I was on a business trip this week and I only saw one other iPad except mine. LA to NYC via JFK in Manhattan. Figured I'd see more!
But it started out close to $250 per share this morning and before that it was a little more and before that a little more...
What is going on?
AAPL you are headed in the wrong direction! Please turn around and go back the way you came!
In your case, stop taking the microscopic view and look at the macroscopic view--it's not just Apple that's slipping, but the entire stock market. We'll just have to see where things stabilize.
It doesn't help when we have fear mongers crying "The Sky is Falling! The Market is Falling!"
Oh yes. Windows and the PC, too.
The difference is that Dell and Microsoft don't want to believe it and will try to milk it for all its worth until the bitter end.
Apple never sold nearly as many Macs so they have less to loose. It's FAR easier for them to just admit the sad truth and move on with their lives. That's why Apple is so far ahead in this transition.
As an analyst myself, I'm not sure how they arrive at this conclusion. The basis of a valuation, in the real world, shouldn't be on hype or technical analysis of market movement. The inputs into the actual business place the intrinsic value of this company well below $250 per share.
That's not to say they're not going to continue to be successful. But I would be really hesitant to pay over ten times the actual value of this company's net assets and future cash streams. For what it's worth, I sold my shares at $180.
How long until I can't buy PC hardware and a copy of an x86-64 operating system?
What about those that obtain no value from these forms?
You're right that it's coming, but you're dead wrong that it's Apple's choice.
It's coming REGARDLESS of what anyone wants. It's just that Apple is smart enough to see the writing on the wall and move the right direction. The companies that don't do it will die.
Your post is akin to talking about liking film better than digital photography. That's a nice opinion (really, it is) but telling companies to not make digital cameras is suicide. You wouldn't tell Canon to stop making digital cameras, so why tell Apple to stick with the past? It's pretty similar advice.
This is overwhelming proof that this recession thing is a media scare except for those already below the poverty line. Millions of people spending this amount of money on a fairly useless gimmick/ toy.
It's scary what marketing can do to persuade people they need something. Horrifying in fact.
It's scary what marketing can do to persuade people they need something. Horrifying in fact.
Never.
"Dead" doesn't mean gone. It means only 10% of the population will own a Mac or a PC.
I suspect EVERYONE on this site will be part of that 10%. The Mac will never go away, it will just shrink to only scientists, video editors, and nerds like us.
iLife for Mac will probably die eventually. (~10 years) If you want iLife, you need an iPad. Conversely, if you need a Mac, you need a professional program like Final Cut or Aperture.
Do you realize that people actually use their computers for productive tasks? And...that some people can handle the complexity of something more sophisticated than a 9 inch ipod touch?
The PC is far from dead, The Mac is may be dyeing, but that is Apple's own doing.
What, people buying things they don't need from ONE company on credit in a market that still shows significant unemployment is "overwhelming proof" that the recession is a media scare?
That's a tad hyperbolic.
I really don't think most people would agree that the iPad is a serious replacement for a Mac Pro or iMac... much less a MacBook... except for certain niches.
My wife will probably get an iPad to keep her company and handle the basics when she travels, and I might even do the same, once there's a decent web app and a way for me to handle existing email (I don't use Apple Mail - still use Eudora - but I figger MailForge will show up at some point and have an App). But she still needs a laptop at home and I still need a desktop.
One reason to have annual-or-longer hardware updates is to reduce the expense of engineering and tooling changes. Another is to reduce the expense of parts inventory. Another is to reduce training costs. Another is to increase quality. Another is to avoid customer confusion (though God knows Apple could choose better names for their computers and maybe even USE THEM on the hardware so we could figure out whether we have an Early 2008 or Mid 2008 or Late 2008 With Funny Gadgets).
(By the way, it would be great if the web sites and Apple could agree on names and have the computers marked with them, who knows after ten years what chipset you have?)
I would say though for all intensive purposes its dying as we know it. For professionals this is a scary time. Lots of our business Mac users have no idea what to do. Throw 50 grand into Mac edit bays for OSX to turn into a Leap Frog or 35 grand into a PC which is still a damn PC.
If you read Apple's SEC filings and look at how much Mac sales contributes to the bottom line, it would be appropriate to refrain from saying that Mac and OS X are dead, doubly so in the wake of recent product refreshes to the MacBook and MacBook Pro product line (as well as the quickening pace between 10.6.4 developer beta releases).
Disregard the lack of a sarcasm tag since I'm not joking.
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With these figures, it probably means Apple is going to spend even less time on developing its "traditional" computers (Macbooks, Mac Pro, Mac Mini, iMac) and OS X.
Once upon a time, iPods were released (in large part) to encourage people to switch to Mac. Now, I don't think Apple cares as much whether or not people buy a computer: so long as they buy an iPod, iPhone, or iPad (or all three, or several of each!), Apple's in the money.
I own an iPod and an iPhone, and test-drove and love the iPad, so I'm not dissing them. I'm also not saying that from a business perspective, Apple shouldn't refocus its efforts. It's just interesting that the i-devices are going from being a means to an end, to being an end unto themselves. I do kind of miss Apple focusing on Macs, which are still needed for my day-to-day work and which were my first love.
(Insert reply here about how it's not surprising given Apple Computer dropping Computer from its name, etc.)
Once upon a time, iPods were released (in large part) to encourage people to switch to Mac. Now, I don't think Apple cares as much whether or not people buy a computer: so long as they buy an iPod, iPhone, or iPad (or all three, or several of each!), Apple's in the money.
I own an iPod and an iPhone, and test-drove and love the iPad, so I'm not dissing them. I'm also not saying that from a business perspective, Apple shouldn't refocus its efforts. It's just interesting that the i-devices are going from being a means to an end, to being an end unto themselves. I do kind of miss Apple focusing on Macs, which are still needed for my day-to-day work and which were my first love.
(Insert reply here about how it's not surprising given Apple Computer dropping Computer from its name, etc.)
Because you stated Windows and the PC are dead. This is not true, they will not be replaced by a 9 inch ipod with fart apps.
Sorry, the world runs on PCs (Mac & Windows)
Again, I do not believe that Apple's success in one new area means they will close down another.
The death of computers as we know them has been forecast numerous times. It has not happened.
The computer I am using now is not very different from a Mac II in operation. Or, for that matter, from a 286 running GEM Desktop back in the day. The basics of interaction are all the same.
Indeed, aside from the addition of a mouse and GUI and WYSIWYG, I could be using a terminal connected to a mainframe.
Keyboards and dedicated pointing devices cannot be easily replaced in productivity work any more than large screens. I can't do heavy duty statistics on an iPad and could not even if it had a real keyboard and PASW 18. Nor can I do video editing. Nor do I expect that in the next five years, video editing on iPads will be a serious possibility.
So go ahead and invest $50K in a Mac.
The death of computers as we know them has been forecast numerous times. It has not happened.
The computer I am using now is not very different from a Mac II in operation. Or, for that matter, from a 286 running GEM Desktop back in the day. The basics of interaction are all the same.
Indeed, aside from the addition of a mouse and GUI and WYSIWYG, I could be using a terminal connected to a mainframe.
Keyboards and dedicated pointing devices cannot be easily replaced in productivity work any more than large screens. I can't do heavy duty statistics on an iPad and could not even if it had a real keyboard and PASW 18. Nor can I do video editing. Nor do I expect that in the next five years, video editing on iPads will be a serious possibility.
So go ahead and invest $50K in a Mac.