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I will be picking up my Nexus One sometime very soon. This looks to be a tablet that I also would be interested in.

See I don't hate smartphones or tablets, just the garbage put out by Apple.
When Apple creates a product that is not garbage the service side fills in the sucktastic gap.
 
Flash can be made better, its up to Adobe and the others to actually collaborate for once. Its not all Adobes fault. It seems Google is working with Adobe to make flash work, I wish Apple would too. Lets just get this pissing contest over with so we can enjoy the technology. Oh yeah, don't give me the HTML5 BS because HTML5 is a protocol and Flash is a framework, its always going to be different.

I think the result of the battle will come if Adobe can make Flash run incredibly well on Android - if they can do that it would pretty much put to rest that Flash is inherently bad and needs to be avoided like the plague. I'd say that Adobe is going all out when it comes to optimising Flash on Android to really show that the accusations of Apple hold no merit.

Regarding Flash on the desktop; what I keep pointing out to the Adobe bashers is this; Apple refuses to work with Adobe and the OpenScreen project, Apple refuse to fix up the NPAPI which has significant short comings, Apple refuses to provide an API that exposes h264 video card assisted decoding for all the video cards that can support it (Apple's recent framework is crap, it only supports 3 video cards), then there is the issue of Safari itself and Core Animation.

The only saving grace for Apple are the number of illiterate loud mouthed idiots out there who fall in line when the great leader Steve Jobs spouts his mouth on a topic - then there is a conga-line of repetition. There is a reason why Flash sucks on Mac OS X and not all of it is Adobe's fault - they've addressed what they can, it is up to Apple to come to the party like Microsoft, Google, and numerous other vendors have.
 
Which is the funniest thing about all of the App store complaints. Consumers are paying less and developers are making more. Apple must be evil.

It's still fair to complain about the things we can't buy in the app store at any price. (anything too "political," too "sexy," too Google-voice-ish, too streaming-podcast'ish, etc.)
 
Which is the funniest thing about all of the App store complaints. Consumers are paying less and developers are making more. Apple must be evil.

The race to the bottom prices are unrealistic. Apple needs better search functionality. It is far too easy for a great application to be lost in the mist of 'mediocre' applications. Only a minority of developers actually earn a decent $$ from the Appstore. False gold.
 
I just watched the article video on my iPad!!!!!Is this flash??? Haha it didn't go to the YouTube app, it just played normally with the website. It's a first cause I have never seen a video play on a normal website on the iPad.
 
I will be picking up my Nexus One sometime very soon. This looks to be a tablet that I also would be interested in.

See I don't hate smartphones or tablets, just the garbage put out by Apple.
When Apple creates a product that is not garbage the service side fills in the sucktastic gap.

Your sarcasm is pretty good, but you can improve it.
 
Despite the author's claim that Flash and AIR apps run "flawlessly" on the tablet, Daring Fireball's John Gruber points out that the device's browser crashes while the user is accessing YouTube in one video clip.]

Update:

Nope, turns out that it did NOT crash. As the writer noted later on:

Actually I pressed the home button, it didn't crash.

Android OS gives u an error message if it does crash so just to clarify.

I think I was trying to hit the Back button and hit the Home button.
 
The race to the bottom prices are unrealistic. Apple needs better search functionality. It is far too easy for a great application to be lost in the mist of 'mediocre' applications. Only a minority of developers actually earn a decent $$ from the Appstore. False gold.


Do you have an example of a developer who made more money on their app on a different platform?
 
Did anyone actually read the story? He was totally impressed with how well Flash ran and advised people that it would probably be better to hold out for an android tablet.

ALSO: Flash didn't crash according to the article. They just hit the home button by mistake.

read ppl.
 
I really don't care about these Flash stories anymore. It's not that important. The main use for Flash is video playback and there's alternatives, so it's whatever.


Besides, when it comes to mobile devices, I'll take better battery life over having Flash any day of the week.

It's apparent millions of people don't care if Flash is on a mobile device or not either, which is shown by the millions of iPhones and iPads that have been sold.
 
Did anyone actually read the story? He was totally impressed with how well Flash ran and advised people that it would probably be better to hold out for an android tablet.

ALSO: Flash didn't crash according to the article. They just hit the home button by mistake.

read ppl.

I read it and watched the video..The browser closed when he clicked on a video with his right thumb. Unless a video in the middle of the list on YouTube is a secret home button..
 
And the prototype . . . still hasn't shipped.

Ironically, I just watched the linked Flash video on my Nokia N900 (typing this on) bought November last year that shipped with proper Flash. Not Lite.

This not shipped nonsense must stop.
 
Did anyone actually read the story? He was totally impressed with how well Flash ran and advised people that it would probably be better to hold out for an android tablet.

ALSO: Flash didn't crash according to the article. They just hit the home button by mistake.

read ppl.

If you pay attention, when the browser closes there's no animation, the screen goes black for a couple of seconds and then it shows the home screen, if you see other videos when he closes another app it has a zoom out animation kinda like the iPhone, so the browser clearly crashed.
 
Ironically, I just watched the linked Flash video on my Nokia N900 (typing this on) bought November last year that shipped with proper Flash. Not Lite.

This not shipped nonsense must stop.


I think Adobe would be shocked to learn you have a non-beta version of Flash Player 10 running on your N900. (Which is what the conversation is about...)
 
Flash can be made better, its up to Adobe and the others to actually collaborate for once. Its not all Adobes fault. It seems Google is working with Adobe to make flash work, I wish Apple would too. Lets just get this pissing contest over with so we can enjoy the technology. Oh yeah, don't give me the HTML5 BS because HTML5 is a protocol and Flash is a framework, its always going to be different.

Adobe has been promising Flash on mobiles since the iPhone has been released.

3 years on, no whisper of that. They haven't even been able to deliver it on Android, which is a completely open source platform that has been in the market for over 2 years.

The only reason they seem to be getting closer is because it seems that now its Google's engineers who have taken over.
 
I think Adobe would be shocked to learn you have a non-beta version of Flash Player 10 running on your N900. (Which is what the conversation is about...)

Disagree.

Although it is true that N900 ships with Flash 9 (on which all the casual/commercial Flash sites I frequent work) most of the time the discussion here and on AI seems to say there is no real Flash on mobile. There is and I just wanted to point that out.
 
Adobe has been promising Flash on mobiles since the iPhone has been released.

3 years on, no whisper of that. They haven't even been able to deliver it on Android, which is a completely open source platform that has been in the market for over 2 years.

The only reason they seem to be getting closer is because it seems that now its Google's engineers who have taken over.

What the... ...proper Flash shipped on the Nokia N900 last November. I just watched the Youtube video above on this.
 
Talk about beating a dead horse. Who cares if Apple runs flash or not. all of this gnashing of teeth is not going to have any impact on Apple. All I care about something that works. It seems to me like Flash and anything else Adobe has not improved much over the decades.

You should be accustomed by now to a company that has a all controlling central figure. I happen to like engineering that has a strong personality and Apple computing products have such, Steve Jobs philosophy infuses everything Apple makes. If Steve Job's forces Adobe into improving the bloat-ware they market fine. In the meantime I am laughing my a$$ off at the people who think either; Flash is demon spawned, or, Flash is a Holy Sacrament. Do you realize how unending such arguments are. I remember pitched battles between users of various machine languages back about 1975 that sounded just the present arguments. Go ahead and bitch and moan, snipe, and groan, you are a howler to those of us who have been around since the computing neolithic age.:rolleyes:
 
JooJoo runs flash too.

PCs held on to their floppy drives for years after iMac drops it too.
 
Will Flash just DIE already!!! Then just maybe Apple will let me use the development tools I choose to use.
 
so what!

wow! it runs flash!

and.....?

i already block flash on my laptop, and frankly if i had identical iphones to choose from but one ran flash and one didn't, i would choose no flash.

flash has been a performance killer and power hog since day one, i never wanted it, and i won't miss it when it is gone. good riddance to bad rubbish, don't let the door hit ya on the way out!
 
HTML 5 is a nice idea but it isn't ready to offer a full replacement to Flash.



Flash clearly needs an overhaul and by getting into the mobile market, it will be forced on Adobe to make the needed changes.



Please enough with the "magical" BS. It was gay when Steve Jobs said it and it still is when people say it now. There is nothing magical about the internet. The tech works the way it was designed and how we'd expect it to. There is nothing mysterious or overwhelming about any of this tech...especially the iPaperweight a.k.a iPad.

Dude, a pocket calculator is magic. The fact that any electronics work at all is magic. The fact that you don't think a transistor is magic just goes to show, you don't understand how a transistor works.

The fact that a bunch of transistors, resistors and capacitors all shrunk down to a scale so small we can't truly invision can add 2+2 is shocking. That it can communicate at relativistic speeds with other devices on the other side of the planet is far beyond magic.
 
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