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Have I missed any popular excuse?

1. All iOS devices should be counted!
2. There's a lot more different Android smart phones!
3. If iOS were on every carrier!
4. Statistics can prove anything, I, on the other hand, have this anecdotal evidence!
 
Macman1993 said:
Some will be bothered about IOS not being the most dominant. I personally don't care, I just want the best mobile OS.
so you got an android? :D

snappy retort.

However, I want the best OS built for the device I'm using... not the other way around, which is the case with Android and Windows. OSes should tie together the hardware to drive a compelling user experience.

Again, for consumers who care, this is a big deal... That's why iOS usage on the internet is so much higher than Android. People buy iOS to use it as a smartphone. Android is purchased because it's cheap (the OS).
 
Have I missed any popular excuse?

1. All iOS devices should be counted!
2. There's a lot more different Android smart phones!
3. If iOS were on every carrier!
4. Statistics can prove anything, I, on the other hand, have this anecdotal evidence!

Marketshare doesn't matter: people of quality buy iPhones. ;-)
 
Thats why I don't believe any statistic - you always can bend the numbers to see what you want to see:

Might want to rethink that dramatic statement...next time, MR may post some stats that jive with you:p

Why cant just more than one phone OS exist peacefully next to each other and everyone chooses what fits their needs and wallet ?

No Argument there dude. Preach it brother!

Why does everything always has to turn into some almost religious fight?

Amen.
 
Have I missed any popular excuse?

1. All iOS devices should be counted!
2. There's a lot more different Android smart phones!
3. If iOS were on every carrier!
4. Statistics can prove anything, I, on the other hand, have this anecdotal evidence!

Android is B1G1. People keep saying that like it actually matters.
 
It's strange that Android is so popular, I have not seen many people use it so.

Do you actually leave your house? I see Android phones everywhere, and those are just the larger screen high-end slab models I can easily recognize. I probably miss many cheaper Android phones simply because I don't recognize them.
 
Do you actually leave your house? I see Android phones everywhere, and those are just the larger screen high-end slab models I can easily recognize. I probably miss many cheaper Android phones simply because I don't recognize them.

I see a lot more iPhones then anything else. But I probably don't know if I would recognize an android phone or not. iPhones are distinctive where android phones have many models.
 
But it's the ugly truth! Unless you can prove otherwise!

it is more iFan are in denail and even if we provided complete proof other wise they would still say it is false for reason X.

First it was Android is winning because it is not on Verizon.

iPhone goes to Verizon and it is still losing ground. So they have to go with a new excuse. End of the matter is they are running out.
 
What makes a product "Best" in its category is defined by different people differently. For some people "best" is a free phone because they can't afford anything else. Some people pour over the specs and select the "best".

For me, "best" is the phone that operates the most intuitively to my way of thinking. I want something that I don't need to refer back to the manual to use its features. My Android Incredible came with a 8" x 11", 73 page manual that I need to use to operate the phone... that fact speaks volumes to what separates the Android from the "best."

If you need to refer to the manual to use an android phone then I'm truly sorry for you.
 
I think all he will have to do is show snapshots of the largest developer checks and totals around how much has been paid to iOS developers in the last year and quarter. That should be enough.

As one very insightful poster/developer pointed out, people who get free phones really are not that interested in buying apps that cost as much or more than their phone. At some point in time, a developer has to pay the rent and feed the kids; even if they buy into "Jobs is evil and Google is open." They may not develop for iOS, but they will stop sinking hours into efforts that have no payoff.

This does get close to the truth. The reason to be concerned about the iPhone's market share is because of the app store. IPhone users benefit from the fact that there are more apps developed for the iPhone, there are better apps developed for the iphones, and if apps are on both platforms, they are usually developed for the iPhone first. Marketshare is not, however, a perfect proxy for app availability - at least at this point, ios users tend to buy proportionally more apps than Android users. This may or may not continue...but you can be more comfortable about it continuing if the iPhone maintains a high market share. If it ever drops down to 10% or so, it will be all over.

Some fanboi things don't matter. It doesn't matter that Android has buy one get one free offers (particularly where the 3gs only costs $49). It doesn't matter that Android has dozens of phones. We are not grading on a curve; we're not trying to chose the platonic ideal of a phone, and (for purposes of buying a phone), it doesn't matter how much more profit Apple makes on each phone. All of that is really just denial and special pleading - the reality is that Apple is falling behind in marketshare, and it's important to realize that.

But I see no reason to believe that apple is doomed to being a niche market. First of all, I don't think that the benefits of being able to use Verizon as a carrier have all been captured yet. Most people with a smartphone are on two-year contracts, and most people who are interested in getting an iPhone as their next phone will wait for the contract to end.

Second, as opposed to the old days of Macs vs. PCs, iPhones are not more expensive than Android phones. Apple is not pricing themselves out of the mainstream market with price points of $50, $200, and $300.

Third, while Android has copied the MS system of being an OS that can run on hardware from different manufacturers, it is not at all clear that this approach will work the same way for handsets as it did for computers - people care a lot more about the size, weight, and aesthetics of their phones than they do their computers, and optimizing this is a lot more complicated than just sticking components in a beige box.

Fourth, it's possible that the walled garden approach to apps may be preferable to a more open market - it certainly will be if it makes people more likely to buy apps, leading to greater availability of apps.

Having said that, I think it is time to refresh IOS in a thorough, thoughtful way.
 
It's probably already been pointed out why this data is correct, yet wrong.

Andoid devices are made by many companies and sold in many variations within each. Please make me a pie chart listing each manufacturer and shwoing their slice of the operating system pie. No one but Apple makes iOS devices. so please put that up against each varying Android maker.

Also, remove from the statistics any Android device that is provided free when you sign a contract with a provider. And all the Android devices that are being sold with old versions of the software installed. When you buy new from Apple, you get only the newest version of the software.
 
Thats why I don't believe any statistic - you always can bend the numbers to see what you want to see:

- compare iOS powered devices against android powered devices
- compare iPhone vs all android phones
- compare best selling iPhone vs best selling Android Phone
- compare best selling iPad vs best selling Android Tablet

and even in those groups the one who tweaks the numbers can be even more selective - none of these comparisons is fully fair because there is always something left out.

Anyway - I don't care too much about the numbers. I know I love my iPhone - I admit, I never owned an Android, but I played with many from friends and colleges, but still prefer my iPhone ... that is MY decision and other people have different preferences.

Why cant just more than one phone OS exist peacefully next to each other and everyone chooses what fits their needs and wallet ?

Why does everything always has to turn into some almost religious fight?

Isn't the US called the land of freedom - so everyone should have the freedom to choose whatever they want as a phone without being labeled 'stupid fanboy' or anything like this.

Good post. +1

Judging by some of the comments here I think Apple fanboys and Harley Riders share similar blinders. Apple and Harley, cool, edgy, upscale. Everything else CRAP!
too funny :cool:

Real Harley riders don't use Apple products. The new generation Harley rider is much like the typical Apple customer. :D
 
Of course, because Apple is making the same mistakes that let Windows get +95% market share in spite of Apple's early lead in PCs.

A "closed" eco-system has no chance against an "open" eco-system.

Uh no:

1- Apple is a hardware company.
2- Apple is not going to become a seller of operating systems to HP or Dell. They tried that and it failed miserably.
3- if open is better than closed, why is linux desktop a failure?
4- The smartphone market is not the same as the pc market. A pc is not sold with a service contract worth thousands of dollars. A pc is not locked or constrained. Smartphones, even the "open" ones are under control of the carriers.
 
oh come on. :rolleyes: If you can't figure out how to use an android phone in less than a minute then you have some issues. It's the same friggin thing. The reason it comes with a manual is just a reference document. Apple doesn't include one because they are too cheap to put it in the package as a printout. If you want it, here it is. all 274 pages of it!

http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_us/iphone_user_guide.pdf

tony

ftw!
 
Yet IOS way outsells android, and all the iPhones way outsell any of the android devices.

Again I don't really understand this weird announcements of irrelevant information.

It would be like having Samsung announce they sell more smartphone screens than Sony.

Who cares and how is it relevant to the actual consumer purchasing decision?
 
Considering that all Android phones are blatant copies of Apple's design, can any of you who never see any Android phones be really, really sure that what you think is an iPhone maybe actually is one of these blatant copies?
 
People need to stop talking about competition as well. 95% of all android devices sold are not real competition for iPhones.

So that is silly.

If you look at the top selling smartphones for the last 5 years, 4 of them are iPhones, probably 4 or 5 more are Blackberries and at best there are 2 but probably 1 android device.

Please someone explain to me how because there are 250 android phones that each sell 50k units each android is somehow the superior experience, device or platform.

No Android device has come close to selling as many units as any iPhone model.
 
Where do these survey companies get there data from? I have NEVER been asked any questions about stuff like this. Plus with statistics you can fudge the numbers to represent just about anything.

So every poll or study is invalid simply because you have never been contacted? :confused:
 
it is more iFan are in denail and even if we provided complete proof other wise they would still say it is false for reason X.

Proof is in the eye of the beholder.

First it was Android is winning because it is not on Verizon.

iPhone goes to Verizon and it is still losing ground. So they have to go with a new excuse. End of the matter is they are running out.

Market share alone does not always make the most money or the most popular.
 
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