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Good old days, when Ferraris and Porsches used to be mainstream and they cost roughly the same as a Ford or Honda! I remember, when the bestselling or the second bestselling car used to be Ferrari. Those were the days!

Or maybe not. People should stop with these ignorant comparisons. Android might be Ford, but then iOS is a Honda. Ferraris and Porsches are mostly premium sports cars and have no intention or reason to worry about who's selling the most cars.

The comparison they were going for, I think, was something along the lines of "Ford combined auto sales outsell Dodge Chargers"
 
Difference is cars don't require people making extra accessories to make them useful.

With computers having more in the end will make it more useful as it will attract more developers. If iOS becomes as rare as Ferraris, you probably won't see near as many accessories/software for it.

And without software, a computer really is nothing.

So, yes, in the case of mobile phones/computers, it does tend to make it much more likely to be the better platform just by being the most popular. You'll more likely get more programs and have more usefulness. I prefer Mac to Windows but you know what? You can still find more for Windows and many times even if htey make a Mac equivelant, they don't put as much effort into it (look at Quickbooks, the reviews for the Mac one talk about how much they left out and how it isn't so stable. The software my vet uses on his mac did a half-assed effort at being Mac compatible).

It doesn't matter how well a computer runs if no one makes software for it or does half hearted attempts at compatible software.

Mac sales have significantly outperformed PC sales. If you are a developer and want to be a big fish in a smaller pond, you will develop for Mac. You will also see your revenue percentage increase year-over-year to be substantially higher than in the PC world. Developing for a "niche" player can be a very profitable experience, especially if you're the only one on the block offering something that PC users can get from 10 different developers.

Several years ago Mac's market share was in the toilet. It hovered in the 2-4 percent range for years. I remember one of Steve Jobs' keynotes where he said look, in order for us to double our income and profits we only need to capture 1-2% more of the market. Apple had tremendous room to grow and has proven to be a massive growth vehicle for its investors. Mac now has a 10% market share, or five times what it was just a few short years ago. That's an incredible achievement, and also why you see more and more developers (especially game developers) jumping onto the Mac platform. It's all about the numbers.

For Microsoft to double its marketshare when it already owns 90% of the market is impossible. With very little room to grow, you stagnate.
 
Myself and few other Mac friends that I know would prefer the iPhone to go niche. That is what made Macs so special years ago. The quiet confidence of knowing the superiority of your machine and not really giving a damn what was happening on competing platforms as long as Apple was still in business. It will also help in alot of other ways too. No antennagate or people posting antagonizing threads or remarks. iPhone vs Android is so 2009 anyway.
 
Myself and few other Mac friends that I know would prefer the iPhone to go niche. That is what made Macs so special years ago. The quiet confidence of knowing the superiority of your machine and not really giving a damn what was happening on competing platforms as long as Apple was still in business. It will also help in alot of other ways too. No antennagate or people posting antagonizing threads or remarks. iPhone vs Android is so 2009 anyway.

As long as you recognise that what is a superior machine for you isn't a superior machine for everyone, then all will be well.
 
Such a pointless thread. As people have said, which individual model of Andoid driven smart phone is outselling the iPhone 4? Come back with that number and we can talk.
 
Such a pointless thread. As people have said, which individual model of Andoid driven smart phone is outselling the iPhone 4? Come back with that number and we can talk.

That is kind of a straw mans argument.
Lets assume their were 2 models of phones running iOS. The total sells of iOS would increase but the sells of any one of those models would more than likely be a little over 1/2 of the current one......
The one model fits all approach of the iPhone means a lot of people are getting it and settling for a lot of things. like Settling for a smaller screen size (as it is pretty clear quite a few want a 4 in on) or no hardware keyboard. Heavier weight to have the glass back. Having only one choose of look ect.
 
LOL....my wife was looking over my shoulder, saw this thread and said "Why don't they just whip it out, measure who's girlfriend has to have the better sense of humor and get it over with?" Reason #1445 why I married her. :D
 
Such a pointless thread. As people have said, which individual model of Andoid driven smart phone is outselling the iPhone 4? Come back with that number and we can talk.

The comparison is between smartphones running Android OS and smartphones running iOS. It's not about any individual Android device and the iPhone.
 
The comparison is between smartphones running Android OS and smartphones running iOS. It's not about any individual Android device and the iPhone.

Which is the only way android fanboys get to brag. Because if you compare OS vs OS >>iOS wins.

If you compare phone to phone >> iPhone wins.

Its funny the ONLY way some people can spin the numbers is compare an entire line of phones running Android to 1 phone running iOS.

Convenient huh?:rolleyes:
 
Next time you see a girl (without a gap in her teeth and a unibrow) who is not revolted by a loud obnoxious Ferrari you let me know.

Ferraris are not cool, they are for 12 year old boys to have wet dreams about.
 
I don't think this is right. I know that Android sold more than iPhones in the US but not globally. Even this figure is questionable. First, there weren't many Android phones last year except for the G1 (horrible, I had one and sold it for iPhone 4) and the Droid. This year was full of high end Android phones from the 4 (yes, FOUR) Samsung Galaxy S phones, the Evo 4G, Nexus One, Droid 2, Droid Incredible, Droid X, and a few others that I don't remember the names of. Second, this isn't a fair comparison. iPhone is ONE phone. You can argue there are different generations/models that were available for purchase but it's still a ONE phone per year deal. You don't get 10 different iPhone models in the first half of 2010. Android is an entire operating system with at least 10+ different phones running it. iPhone is ONE phone. A fair comparison is Android OS vs iOS. This includes iPads and iPod touches. Android isn't a phone. It's an OS. I see tablets running Android. But are they counted in this report? Yes. The report clearly says Android and iPhone. So if they didn't count those tablets and other non-smartphone devices, then the report is wrong. Either way, the report is wrong. Factor in that Apple sold over 3 million iPads (maybe more before the quarter ended) and probably an equal number of iPod touches, iOS still kicks Android. Why? Android was built to fail. It was built by Google, the next Microsoft.
 
Good, now people like you can't tell us we're lemmings for going with the crowd anymore since the crowd seems to now be going with Android handsets. Enjoy your (outdated in 2 months and seldom updated) brand new phone!
 
Which is the only way android fanboys get to brag. Because if you compare OS vs OS >>iOS wins.

If you compare phone to phone >> iPhone wins.

Its funny the ONLY way some people can spin the numbers is compare an entire line of phones running Android to 1 phone running iOS.

Convenient huh?:rolleyes:

That's how the smartphone Market is compared, and how it's always been compared. The iPhone alone won't change that.
 
You'll notice that Android is outselling iPhone on networks where iPhone is not available. If you dive further into the statistics you will see that 21% of Android owners want their next phone to be an iPhone. Only 6% of iPhone owners want their next phone to be Android. As soon as iPhone becomes available on Verizon, you will see many Android defections to iPhone.

Also, how can you say Android is outselling iPhone when many of these Android phones have been given away via 2-for-1? That's GIVING it away. If you have to give something away in order for it to be popular, but people aren't willing to pay for it, well then my friend we have a problem. If you have such a great product, why do you essentially have to pay someone (give away a product) to use it? Sounds a little sad and desperate to me.

If you are going to be accurate when you say "Android vs iOS" then you will have to include sales of iPad and iPod touch. That adds another 10-12 million units to the iOS numbers as presented in the Gartner numbers. Gartner is only comparing Android smartphone only sales to iOS smartphone only sales (iPhone). In that respect the headlines of "Android outsells iOS" is total bull crap because the headline describes OS market share while the details show OS market share on only one specific type of device. Android fanoys will say "well, Android is only available on smartphones so you can't include iPod Touch and iPad". Really? The ultimate success of the platform will not depend on simply total units shipped, but also the number and quality of apps available on that platform. So long as Apple can deliver apps across multiple devices, there will be a much bigger market and higher profits for developers on the iOS platform. And THAT is where the game will be won or lost.

If you actually do an accurate, non fan-boy comparison, you'll see that on an operating system level across all devices iOS wipes the floor with Android by a margin of 2-to-1. If you look at smartphone manufacturers, Apple outsells HTC by a huge margin and is on the heels of Motorola. Apple's smartphone sales have increased over 60% in the last year while Motorola's sales have declined by 40%. Apple is only 28% fewer shipments of smartphones compared to shipments of ALL Motorola cell phones combined. That to me is an amazing number. Apple, with just a smartphone, is soon going to pass Motorola in sales when comparing to Motorola sales across smartphones AND regular cell phones. iPhone and iOS is outperforming on all fronts.

Android is and will end up being a lowest common denominator OS because it has to work across a multitude of devices. Android's OS is different depending on who manufactured your unit, so there is no consistent user experience across this thing called "Android". The UI is going to be the determining factor in which Android handset becomes the most popular one, and you'll soon find Android smartphone manufacturers battling amongst themselves to differentiate. Regardless of Android's marketshare, developer profitability on Android is low. Advertising revenue on a CPM basis cannot compare to what is being delivered by iAd.

The basic fact remains that the majority of people who moved to Android did so because they could not get iPhone on their network and did not want to switch to AT&T. This will change in the next few months. If all you can do is engage in a p***ing war without looking at the underlying facts and statistics, you are a "fanboy" and know nothing of what you speak. You only need to read this article to see how well the latest Android phone is doing. Reader's Digest version - sales of Droid 2 suck. Nobody wants it. So much for all the fanfare!


Finally, an intelligent argument!
 
Here it is, an Apple fanboys worst nightmare.

No more bragging about sales figures for you...



source
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/08/14/android_outsold_iphone_last_quarter_globally

wow! Im truly petrified. This is going to give me nightmares for weeks. What will I ever do.

Next time you see a girl (without a gap in her teeth and a unibrow) who is not revolted by a loud obnoxious Ferrari you let me know.

Ferraris are not cool, they are for 12 year old boys to have wet dreams about.

HONDAS are loud and obnoxious. If you think this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR_kz8l9CjE
is loud and obnoxious, then well... I dont know.
 
That above post about the Droid 2 not selling well is to be expected. It severely lacks features like 720p video recording, secondary camera, etc. that the somewhat popular Android smartphones have. It's just a Droid with slightly better hardware.
 
That above post about the Droid 2 not selling well is to be expected. It severely lacks features like 720p video recording, secondary camera, etc. that the somewhat popular Android smartphones have. It's just a Droid with slightly better hardware.

It would of been wise for them to at least add a front facing camera. What a dumb move.
 
Price is everything! Doesn't matter what it is -- big things like houses, or small things like phones. Android-based phones do everything the iPhone does for half the price. And they can be used with Verizon or other carriers. Apple is limiting their market by only offering service with the ridiculously-overpriced AT&T, and selling their phones at double the price of an Android-based one. I'm not surprised in the least bit. It's not rocket science.

FYI: ATT exclusively is a US only thing. The iPhone is available on multiple networks in other countries including France, the UK, and Canada. The reason is simple. All those other carriers run the same GSM AND UMTS bands. So it's much easier to get multiple contracts to multiple carriers in those countries because they are still using the same phoen.

Verizon in the US uses the dead-end CDMA which will eventually be phased out in the next 5-7 years. Sure, Apple went to Verizon first for the iPhone so they can produce a CDMA iPhone if they wanted. But you gotta remember, when brand new products launch, they are often "test" or project launches by Apple. That means Apple may have considering ordering 1 million CDMA iPhones if Verizon had agreed. But if the iPhone didn't originally sell in 2007, they would have just ended production all together. But once the iPhone 2007 was deemed a success, Apple continued with it's R and D.

Look at Apple's other "test" products. Macbook Air (hasn't been updated in well over a year, no major revision since it original launched. Same thing can be said about AppleTV (which Apple calls a "hobby"). Newton anyone? You get my drift? If the original iPhone would have been CDMA and not successful, Apple would have just killed the project altogether.

Have you checked out Verizon's pricing? They are exactly the same as ATT. So if ATT is ridiculously overpriced, the same can be said about Verizon.

Disclaimer: I love all cell phones. Currently own iPhone 4, Samsung Galaxy S (Vibrant), Nokia E 71 (Symbian) and BB Bold 9700 (Blackberry). So I can say I am not an "apple fanboy" I am giving a pretty objective post. Plus I owned the first Android phone (the G1, which I sold and repurchased twice so I am an Android fan also).
 
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