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Originally posted by Geetar
Some 1.1 billion people worldwide are estimated to have watched the 2002 soccer World Cup Final itself, with the preceding finals series matches averaging 356.2 million viewers.

I'm sorry but 1.1 billion people is just not a reasonable number. One of the first things we learn in statistics is to see if the number makes sense. As popular as soccer/football is world wide the idea that 1 in 6 people watched the game just doesn't make sense.
 
Re: VIDEO iPods

Originally posted by brooklyn
According to this CNET artical, Apple is working on a Video iPod.

UGH -- and I just ordered a 40GB model (albeit for a very steep discount).
 
Re: Re: Re: RE: another Day, Another Rumor

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
its very important to us americans. its a real man's sport. but if you like a game were skinny boys who fake injuries to draw red cards, run around with advertisements all over their uniforms, well............;)


ps. if my kids ever want to play soccer, i'll sell them.


Real men don't wear shoulder pads! :p

They may have advertising on their shirts but at least the action doesn't stop every 30 seconds so adverts can be shown, or even worse, scrolled along the screen while the game is being played.
 
Originally posted by Krizoitz
I'm sorry but 1.1 billion people is just not a reasonable number. One of the first things we learn in statistics is to see if the number makes sense. As popular as soccer/football is world wide the idea that 1 in 6 people watched the game just doesn't make sense.

According to this report which was the "the result of an independent study commissioned by FIFA's television partner, KirchSport, and compiled by the British research agency Sports Marketing Surveys (SMS)" the FIFA World Cup final was "the most viewed match in FIFA World Cup™ history, with 1.1 billion individuals watching this match".

This is also suported by this report which although before the match was anticipating an audience of 1.5 billion being 1 in 4 of the population.

The Nielsen media reports quoted earlier only relate to 18 countries and in respect of Australia, refers only to regional areas not metropolitan. The final was broacdcast to over 200 countries.

Anyway back to more interesting things...like video iPods!
 
Originally posted by Krizoitz
I'm sorry but 1.1 billion people is just not a reasonable number. One of the first things we learn in statistics is to see if the number makes sense. As popular as soccer/football is world wide the idea that 1 in 6 people watched the game just doesn't make sense.

Interesting... 800 Million viewers for the Superbowl DID make sense to you...

And go check your own links. The 62.5 Million number for the World Cup final was for only 18 countries (Thailand, South Korea, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, USA, South Africa, India, Sweden, Canada, Hong Kong, Finland, Australia, Taiwan, Ireland, Singapore, New Zealand, Philippines) out of what, 170? And most of those 18 are not even countries where Soccer is really popular. You can for example be sure that virtually EVERYONE in Brazil (who won the final) watched - and there are 170 million people in Brazil alone.

So just give up your hopeless fight and admit that Soccer is bigger, will you? :)
 
its very important to us americans. its a real man's sport. but if you like a game were skinny boys who fake injuries to draw red cards, run around with advertisements all over their uniforms, well............

Hmmm, sorry it's still off-topic - but I couldn't resist - if you want a REAL man's game - look at Rugby (both versions - Union and League). No plastic padding, long advert breaks and wholesale swapping of parts of the team...

...just 40 mins each way of raw hard physical action. Watch some matches from the Rugby World Cup if you think American Football is tough...

Finally - just had my G5 Dual order of 8 weeks ago put back to tomorrow. Trouble is, it's my third delay email - so I no longer believe it. If the delay is because of new stock items about to be added to the inventory - then I'll be ecstatic. If it's because Apple's stock control and distribution are disorganised and inefficient - then I won't be...
 
Originally posted by Krizoitz
. One of the first things we learn in statistics is to see if the number makes sense. As popular as soccer/football is world wide the idea that 1 in 6 people watched the game just doesn't make sense.

Wrong again-

One of the first things I learned in statistics was to gather good data. Maybe you studied in an institution where "data-massage" is popular:rolleyes: :D

The second thing I learned was that you can (and generally do) build stats to show whatever you expect.....prejudice is, however, a poor precursor to any science and you demonstrate this principle admirably. Do you know how many people in the UK alone watched the Final match? Brazil? Italy?

No?

I thought not.

Maybe we should bounce some of you NFL-heads around in a Rugby Union match.Who knows- you might enjoy it.

Back on topic. It's quiet out there. Too quiet. Something's happening soon......
 
voetjebal

zijn we hier allemaal helemaal gek geworden?

iedereen lult alleen maar over voetbal.

Hallo, dit is een computersite ja.
 
Originally posted by Jonnod III
Hmmm, sorry it's still off-topic - but I couldn't resist - if you want a REAL man's game - look at Rugby (both versions - Union and League). No plastic padding, long advert breaks and wholesale swapping of parts of the team...

...just 40 mins each way of raw hard physical action. Watch some matches from the Rugby World Cup if you think American Football is tough...

you're right, rubgy's insane.
 
OMG.
I'm so sorry I started this all. :D

Here is what we learned so far;

1) Football is big in America.
2) Soccer is bigger in the rest of the world.
3) Rugby is for real men.
4) THERE ARE STILL NO NEW POWERMACS.
 
Originally posted by Geetar
Wrong again-

One of the first things I learned in statistics was to gather good data. Maybe you studied in an institution where "data-massage" is popular:rolleyes: :D

The second thing I learned was that you can (and generally do) build stats to show whatever you expect.....

Hmmm, no, I'm gonna agree with the first guy. As a person who does stats for a living, the "does it make sense" mantra is really, really important. You don't always have the luxury of knowing about the quality of your data, never mind collecting it yourself...

"Data massaging" also takes on a lot of different forms, not all of which are nefarious.
 
Originally posted by Eprom
OMG.
I'm so sorry I started this all. :D

Here is what we learned so far;

1) Football is big in America.
2) Soccer is bigger in the rest of the world.
3) Rugby is for real men.
4) THERE ARE STILL NO NEW POWERMACS.

Yeah I have seen guys playing rugby and the way they play its lucky that some of them end up leaving the field still as men !
 
Apple after the Superbowl- some thoughts.

I've been scouring the rumor posts for weeks. I talked to some local Appleheads, and we've come up with the following thoughts on the coming week:

Apple is spending a lot of money on its Superbowl ads. Between this exposure, and the coming influx of PepsiTunes winners, Apple would be foolish not to update *something* as a result. We can't imagine the marketing geniuses haven't scheduled an update of a product or service for the day of, or day after, the Superbowl. Unless they've dropped the ball, what might we see?

iPod: We agreed the iPod is the most obvious choice for an upgrade/price reduction. I haven't talked with one Apple enthusiast who is thrilled by the Mini's pricepoint. Yes, we are well aware that it is competitively priced for a 4GB RAM-based player. What we didn't initially understand is why, with the looming Mp3 giveaway, Apple didn't introduce some cheaper models earlier this month. Maybe they didn't want to blow their advertising dollars, so they decided to bring out the affordable players after the whole country knows about the Pepsi promotion. No use not milking money from people who had to have the Mini ASAP, *and* getting a couple of weeks of consumer feedback in the process isn't a bad thing.

Powerbooks: A lot of talk has centered around a wishlist of PB what-ifs. From Dual G4s to G5s, no PB rumor is too far-fetched. I'd love to see a substantial upgrade to the PB (I've been waiting to make a PB purchase of my own). There have been some good points made that Motorola has doomed the G4, and that Duals and G5s are the only way to substantially upgrade the line. We agree on this processor point. Whether this is something that comes on the 2nd remains to be seen.

Powerbooks Part 2: What I'd like to see is a beefing up of the 12". Crank the VRAM up to 64MB, throw down with a backlit keyboard, give me FW800! These three issues have prevented me from plopping down my money on the 12". So, I'm saving for a 15". Apple would have my cash a lot sooner if they'd bring the 12" up to speed with its larger siblings.

The rest: We couldn't come to an agreement on what other product should be upgraded to coincide with the Superbowl exposure Apple is going to get. The Apple media server rumor has been kicked around for a while, but El Gato already has a product that does that. While I miss my broken Newton 130, and I curse Palm as an inferior product, the Apple PDA resurrection looks grim. Etc., etc.

All we could agree on was that Apple needs to take advantage of the increased traffic they're going to see (both in stores and online). One method is to give people new to the Apple way an incentive to get on board. The giveaway is the first part of this equation. A cheap iPod for the masses would be the next. Powerbook upgrades, while I believe them to be necessary soon, look like a back-burner issue for the coming week (though I hope that's not the case!).

Like analysts predicting the Democratic frontrunner, what makes sense on the outside looking in might be way off base. I hope I'm not disappointed. With Apple, I rarely am.

-Plastic Avatar
 
Originally posted by Wonder Boy
soccer is big for 2 weeks ever 4 years! if the super bowl happend every 4 years, satelites would be falling out of the sky due todistribution overload.

I don' t think you'd say that if you left the US. Soccer (football, which is its REAL name), makes up about 80% of all the sports TV I see and this is on 5 terrestial channels. And its not just our premiership, we get african, dutch, italian, brazilian, all sorts of football leagues shown on our screens. And this is for most of the year. When its not football (soccer) season another sport (cricket) doesn't take over the limelight, all you hear about the rest of the year is David Bloody Beckham and the shinanigans that him and all his slightly less wealthy fellow players get into trouble for.
 
Re: Apple after the Superbowl- some thoughts.

Originally posted by Plastic Avatar
... Apple is spending a lot of money on its Superbowl ads. ...

... No use not milking money from people who had to have the Mini ASAP, ...

... All we could agree on was that Apple needs to take advantage of the increased traffic they're going to see (both in stores and online). ...

As far as is known, Apple isn't spending a dime on any Superbowl ads.

It's too soon to drop the Mini iPod price. Early adopters are a fanatical group - best not to upset them. Let the price be for three months or so at least.

The Pepsi ad never mentions Apple, altho it does show a Mac (which is more than Apple's ads do!). The increased traffic is going to be to the iTunes Music Store. I don't know if there are computer ads on iTMS, but I doubt it.

Conclusion: There is only a small possibility of any computer updates the week of the Super Bowl.
 
Re: Apple after the Superbowl- some thoughts.

Originally posted by Plastic Avatar
Apple is spending a lot of money on its Superbowl ads.

Apple is spending exactly $0 on Superbowl ads, since it isn't running any.
 
Re: Re: Apple after the Superbowl- some thoughts.

Originally posted by Krizoitz
Apple is spending exactly $0 on Superbowl ads, since it isn't running any.

Wow... that's exactly the SAME amount *I'm* spending on MY SuperBowl ad!
Kind of makes you think, eh?

heh
 
I agree

Originally posted by the future

So just give up your hopeless fight and admit that Soccer is bigger, will you? :)

Yeah, I agree. I'm a fan of both but I thought is was common knowledge that soccer is WAY more watched and played than American football. Come on, harldy anyone but Americans even care. There's only 270 million of us.

Of course, if you want to get crazy with number, auto racing is the MOST ATTENDED sporting event in the world.
 
While it is technically correct that Apple is not spending any $$ on Super Bowl ads, they are probably prevented from doing any promotions that could in any way decrease the effectiveness of the Pepsi promotion. (I know that if I were on Pepsi's marketing team, and we were spending over $1 million on this promotion, I would insist on something like this in the contract with Apple.)

Of course, I also subscribe to the alternative theory: that Apple has nothing to announce, but when they do, they will announce it.
 
Originally posted by Jonnod III
...just 40 mins each way of raw hard physical action. Watch some matches from the Rugby World Cup if you think American Football is tough...

My guess is that if Rugby had nine 300+ pound and six 250+ pound steriod-enhanced athletes capable of running the 40 in 4.5 seconds and bench pressing a Honda Civic on the loose, they would wear similar equipment. :D
 
Re: I agree

Originally posted by Frobozz
Of course, if you want to get crazy with number, auto racing is the MOST ATTENDED sporting event in the world.

That is what amazes me. The highest paid athlete in the world dominates a sport most Americans are not even aware of. Thank God though I now get the Speed channel so I can watch Michael Schumacher! I love F1!
 
Re: Re: Apple after the Superbowl- some thoughts.

Originally posted by cubist
As far as is known, Apple isn't spending a dime on any Superbowl ads.

It's too soon to drop the Mini iPod price. Early adopters are a fanatical group - best not to upset them. Let the price be for three months or so at least.

The Pepsi ad never mentions Apple, altho it does show a Mac (which is more than Apple's ads do!). The increased traffic is going to be to the iTunes Music Store. I don't know if there are computer ads on iTMS, but I doubt it.

Conclusion: There is only a small possibility of any computer updates the week of the Super Bowl.

First: I really like the forums here. I've found them to be really informative. It's a little daunting to read through all these posts on all this stuff, but it's worth it =)

<looks at keyboard>

<nods to self>

I'm gonna have to post a lot more so I can get that newbie thing off my profile. It's embarrassing.

On the ads: Pepsi brands this as a joint venture, so I thought Apple might have a little money invested. From my experience, a joint venture like this is shared by both participants. Apple and Pepsi have a history, though... that could make a difference. Apple might be taking the brunt of the music money, with Pepsi shouldering the ads?

(http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/jan/28pepsi.html
"On Super Bowl Sunday, Apple and Pepsi will launch a historic promotion...")

If not advertising dollars, then the investment of time and resources by Apple related to the promotion is substantial.

On the iPod: Yeah, I think Apple will do what it normally does and stretch the profits out as long as it can. I don't agree with that strategy on this particular issue. I know Apple will sell more iPods because of the promotion. I know Apple will sell additional songs because of the promotion. But, they'd sell a ton of inexpensive iPods if they could make them in the Mini form factor *and* still turn a healthy profit en masse. Rather than dropping the price of the 4GB Mini, they could bring out a family of lower capacity versions for less. Maybe that would satisfy early adopters and fresh faces alike?

On the mention of Apple in the ads: The iTunes store is mentioned (graphically), which is just another face of Apple (kind of a semantic thing here). The ads (that I've previewed bits and screenshots of) promote Apple through the iTunes store. If Apple isn't mentioned by name, there are readily identifiable nods to it (the Mac you mentioned, for instance).

On your conclusion: I agree. I wish there were going to be some computer updates, though- the 12" needs one yesterday. I just hope Apple takes advantage of the traffic they'll receive. One site leads to another, and it would only be good business for Apple to do something new/special to greet young music-hungry soda-fiends.

Do you think they'll do *anything* new next week?

-Plastic Avatar
 
Re: Re: Re: Apple after the Superbowl- some thoughts.

Originally posted by Plastic Avatar
First: I really like the forums here. I've found them to be really informative. It's a little daunting to read through all these posts on all this stuff, but it's worth it =)

<looks at keyboard>

<nods to self>

I'm gonna have to post a lot more so I can get that newbie thing off my profile. It's embarrassing.

On the ads: Pepsi brands this as a joint venture, so I thought Apple might have a little money invested. From my experience, a joint venture like this is shared by both participants. Apple and Pepsi have a history, though... that could make a difference. Apple might be taking the brunt of the music money, with Pepsi shouldering the ads?

(http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/jan/28pepsi.html
"On Super Bowl Sunday, Apple and Pepsi will launch a historic promotion...")

If not advertising dollars, then the investment of time and resources by Apple related to the promotion is substantial.


Well they are donating $99,000,000 in iTunes Songs are they not?
 
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