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Originally posted by Rus Shackleford
ok...listen to this dilemma. My wife (awesome lady she is) just bought me a 1.6 G5 last week. It's still sitting unopened due to the pending updates. I thought this week for sure but you know how that went. I've got until saturday to return. I can't afford more than the $1799 price tag so i'm wondering if i should return and hope the $1799 price point is there when the updates come or just content that i've got a g5 (upgrading from a b&w g3 300mhz, no less) and move forward. Any advice?
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Virginia Tech has 1100 G5 Dual 2GHz to sell, so deinitely, you shoould find a higher model for the same price...look around...
 
Re: you are talking *****

Originally posted by eric67
Sorry but the SuperBowl is far from being a TV hit worldwide...
biggest TV hit : Soccer World Cup
2nd : Olympic Games
3rd : Tour de France (cycling)
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Next time check your facts:

World Cup Numbers:
Largest world wide world cup audience ever: 62.3 Million

Super Bowl Numbers
An estimated 800 million viewers worldwide in over 180 countries. Thats over 10 times the number of world cup viewers.


Even if you argue that there are multiple world cup games, the problem is that the same fans are watching those games AND we are talking about ad exposure at one event.
 
Originally posted by Krizoitz
Next time check your facts:
World Cup Numbers:
Largest world wide world cup audience ever: 62.3 Million
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Actually it is quite a lot larger than that:
"41,100 hours of televised football, broadcasts in 213 countries around the globe, and almost 30 billion viewers: the 2002 FIFA World Cup™ Korea/Japan was the most watched event in television history."

See: 213 countries tuned into 2002 FIFA World Cup™

However, in support of your argument, these viewers would not be watching the same ads (but neither would the world wide viewers of the superbowl). The sponsors of the event would get world coverage though...
 
Do that many people actually watch the Superbowl?

Extraordinary!

Oh, and when we have the Superbowl shown here, we don't have the same ads as you. So argument negated.

Just like watching golf from the USA, we have these odd breaks in transmission. Isn't it great when the advertisers are more important than the event???

...though the only time I can think of when I really believed that is when Apple advertised at the Superbowl 1984 ;)
 
Originally posted by mac_au
Actually it is quite a lot larger than that:
"41,100 hours of televised football, broadcasts in 213 countries around the globe, and almost 30 billion viewers: the 2002 FIFA World Cup™ Korea/Japan was the most watched event in television history."
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Again I'd like to point out that that is 64 seperate games, many of which are being watched by the same people.
 
Re: Re: you are talking *****

Originally posted by Krizoitz
Next time check your facts:

World Cup Numbers:
Largest world wide world cup audience ever: 62.3 Million

Super Bowl Numbers
An estimated 800 million viewers worldwide in over 180 countries. Thats over 10 times the number of world cup viewers.


Even if you argue that there are multiple world cup games, the problem is that the same fans are watching those games AND we are talking about ad exposure at one event.
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Perhaps you should check your facts matey,

The stats you link to for the world cup were only from the 32 countries that had ratings monitored, not the total amount. Assuming these where from the same 32 countries that took part it is safe to say that if you include viewing figures from the other hundred or so countries that would have had broadcasting rights, the total would be rather larger.

Also note that this article was dated June 17th 2002, BEFORE the quarter finals had started. It is safe to say that the final would have had the greatest viewing figures by far.

The article on the Superbowl says that estimated 800 million viewers. That assumes that approx. 1 person in 8 of the entire world's population will be watching. Sounds a little off to me! Especially as Macbytes own poll suggests a third of 'mac people' won't be watching, let alone the majority of the world who neither understands or cares about the game.

Anyway, what's this got to do with macs again?
 
Re: Re: Re: you are talking *****

Originally posted by whookam
Anyway, what's this got to do with macs again?
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Someone posited that Apple might tie a product announcement to the SuperBowl and the increased awareness from the iTunes promotion.

Someone then claimed that no one outside the U.S. watches the SuperBowl and that because Apple sells outside the U.S. it would be dumb to introduce a product during the SuperBowl.

Next was the argument over which was bigger World Cup/Super Bowl.

Also you mentioned

The article on the Superbowl says that estimated 800 million viewers. That assumes that approx. 1 person in 8 of the entire world's population will be watching. Sounds a little off to me!
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If we go by the figures from mac_au's post with 30 billion viewers over 64 games, thats over 450 million PER GAME. So 1 in 16 is watching every game? I find 1 in 8 watching one event more likely than half as many watching 64 events.
 
Originally posted by Krizoitz
Again I'd like to point out that that is 64 seperate games, many of which are being watched by the same people.
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I hardly think the same people would be watching all 64 games. I would have watched 4, and maybe really keen people could have watched 20. It is also the associated press coverage etc which is intense for weeks, whereas the Superbowl hardly rates a mention here.

This isn't really on topic though. As to announcements at this year's Superbowl - I really doubt it - music is the real focus for Apple at the moment. And Apple will want people talking about iTunes - not some other product. Further, as to click-throughs to new G5 products as a result of hits on iTunes - well that new Pepsi ad seems targetted at teenagers to me. I don't think it's the main market for G5s. The "main" Pepsi iTunes user will not be likley to buy a G5 just because it is advertised on the website during the competition time (no matter how much they may want one!).

But despite the television viewer numbers I agree that in future years Apple would be more likely to use the Superbowl to announce new products than the World Cup! Apple very rarely announces new products in an international forum. There is no point. International availability of products often lags well behind US annoucements because of demand anyway. Better to get new products off to a flying start in the US and then drip them down to other countries.
 
Well, whenever/however they announce new machines, I wish they'd get their act into gear..

I ordered a G5 Dual 2, 23"Cinema and other bits near the beginning of December. Stock problems mean it still hasn't been delivered. Is it because they have run out of G5 dual 2's or 23" screens?? Ordered a piece of software last week, it arrived 2 days later...
 
Originally posted by Rus Shackleford
ok...listen to this dilemma. My wife (awesome lady she is) just bought me a 1.6 G5 last week. It's still sitting unopened due to the pending updates. I thought this week for sure but you know how that went. I've got until saturday to return. I can't afford more than the $1799 price tag so i'm wondering if i should return and hope the $1799 price point is there when the updates come or just content that i've got a g5 (upgrading from a b&w g3 300mhz, no less) and move forward. Any advice?
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Open it up and enjoy it! So what if faster machines come out? It was a gift from a person who loves you. Use it and be happy, and make her happy. Forget about the updates.
 
Use it!

Couldn't agree more.

It's still one hell of a machine and if you have been managing on a G3 til now, a 1.6 G5 will feel like it's got a rocket strapped to it.

Besides, the Virginia Tech machines won't be sold as refurbished models but will be sold off to teachers and students there at silly prices.

Your wife would appreciate seeing you get some use out of your present i'm sure.
 
Re: Use it!

Originally posted by PRØBE
Couldn't agree more.

It's still one hell of a machine and if you have been managing on a G3 til now, a 1.6 G5 will feel like it's got a rocket strapped to it.

Besides, the Virginia Tech machines won't be sold as refurbished models but will be sold off to teachers and students there at silly prices.

Your wife would appreciate seeing you get some use out of your present i'm sure.
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I say return it (if you can get the original price) and pick up one of the single 1.8 machines from MacMall. That way you can get a free printer and some ram too. I wouldn't wait since you allready have it. Even if they do come out with something new you are getting a great new machine and a thoughtful gift.
 
Um, it seems like a lot of people are making assumptions about your wife.

The answer to your question totally depends on her personality. If she's really cool and easygoing, then I suspect she'd understand your desire to return it and wait to see what happens -- if only to buy a new one. I think you can explain this kind of thing very reasonably, and if she's cool, she'll be amenable.

But if she's a bit less understanding and would feel insulted, then whatever depreciation your computer faces when new models come out will seem like chump change compared to the "cost" of the stress in your marriage.

This is a call you've gotta make. The rest of us are only speaking out of our experiences with our own wives/girlfriends/significant others.
 
139.8 mil watched the last super bowl. The site

http://www.superbowl.com/features/general_info

tells you.

It also says that the top ten most watched TV programs are SuperBowls. But what is hard to figure from that is if the statement is as USA-centric as this kind of statement usually is - i.e. did they take account of the rest of the world when they compiled the figures?
 
Originally posted by Jonnod III
139.8 mil watched the last super bowl. The site

http://www.superbowl.com/features/general_info

tells you.

It also says that the top ten most watched TV programs are SuperBowls. But what is hard to figure from that is if the statement is as USA-centric as this kind of statement usually is - i.e. did they take account of the rest of the world when they compiled the figures?
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I'd assume that top ten is US only, the viewership figure for the World Cup Final is typically over a billion (according to FIFA at least!)

Still, the superbowl is a large, attentive, affluent market; an excellent target for such adverts.
 
Originally posted by whooleytoo
I'd assume that top ten is US only, the viewership figure for the World Cup Final is typically over a billion (according to FIFA at least!)

Still, the superbowl is a large, attentive, affluent market; an excellent target for such adverts.
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Over 1 billion? You have got to be kidding me right? 1/6 of the world population is going to be watching that one game? I mean I know soccer/football is popular worldwide but that just doesn't seem believable. Maybe MAYBE if the final were India vs China, but even then you have a lot of those people who don't even own TVs so it might not matter then either.
 
Originally posted by Krizoitz
Over 1 billion? You have got to be kidding me right? 1/6 of the world population is going to be watching that one game? I mean I know soccer/football is popular worldwide but that just doesn't seem believable. Maybe MAYBE if the final were India vs China, but even then you have a lot of those people who don't even own TVs so it might not matter then either.
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Everyone knows how baseball, basketball, and football are major sports here in the US. Well that is how it is with soccer and the rest of the world. People make fun of soccer here but if you say one wrong thing about the sport in another country you better be prepared for a serious beating. Plus, tell me the last time a sports figure here was shot and killed by an angry mob of fanatics who tracked him down after a game for losing the game for his team in a major sporting event like the World Cup?

Okay, back to Apple speak...
 
Originally posted by Krizoitz
Over 1 billion? You have got to be kidding me right? 1/6 of the world population is going to be watching that one game? I mean I know soccer/football is popular worldwide but that just doesn't seem believable. Maybe MAYBE if the final were India vs China, but even then you have a lot of those people who don't even own TVs so it might not matter then either.
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(Sorry for the continuing off topic.. but..)

Obviously those figures are an approximation, but I'd imagine they aren't far off. Don't forget, football is very popular in the (more populous) developing world.

In many countries (like here in Ireland) you get figures as high as 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 of the entire population watching.
 
Originally posted by crees!
Plus, tell me the last time a sports figure here was shot and killed by an angry mob of fanatics who tracked him down after a game for losing the game for his team in a major sporting event like the World Cup?
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And they say Americans are uncivilized ;)
 
Originally posted by whooley
(Sorry for the continuing off topic.. but..)

Obviously those figures are an approximation, but I'd imagine they aren't far off. Don't forget, football is very popular in the (more populous) developing world.

In many countries (like here in Ireland) you get figures as high as 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 of the entire population watching.
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OK i was finally able to track down the final figures.

World Cup 2002

62.5 Million viewers of the final

Super Bowl

139.8 mil watched the last super bowl.

(thank you Jonnod III)

So in terms of a signal event it appears that the Super Bowl is the winner.

Over the course of the whole World Cup you had more viewers. But one could then argue that we should include the whole football season. Then there is baseball which probably has more than that, etc. etc. etc.
Ok I guess I can let this die now...
 
Are updated PowerMacs still expected soon? I am in a time crunch currently as I need a new computer and soon.
 
I find it interesting that we have no solid rumors of any new mac product, where are those leaks? Does anyone think the superbowl will be used for a new product? i think it will center around pods and music and more pods.
 
Originally posted by Krizoitz
OK i was finally able to track down the final figures.

World Cup 2002

62.5 Million viewers of the final

Super Bowl

139.8 mil watched the last super bowl.

(thank you Jonnod III)

So in terms of a signal event it appears that the Super Bowl is the winner.
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Some 1.1 billion people worldwide are estimated to have watched the 2002 soccer World Cup Final itself, with the preceding finals series matches averaging 356.2 million viewers.
 
Re: Re: RE: another Day, Another Rumor

Originally posted by Eprom
I don't think so.
The Superbowl is not a "world" event. It's only important to you Americans.
The rest of the world couldn't care less about a bunch of guys that touch a FOOTball with their hands.
If it where soccer, well.......... ;)
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its very important to us americans. its a real man's sport. but if you like a game were skinny boys who fake injuries to draw red cards, run around with advertisements all over their uniforms, well............;)


ps. if my kids ever want to play soccer, i'll sell them.
 
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