Truffy
macrumors 6502a
I was thinking more in terms of a tablet being able to share the same OS as a Mac, rather than limiting it to iPhone's OS or developing a third OS between the two.
Another Source 'Confirms' 2010 Apple Tablet?
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qubex
macrumors 6502
The correct grammatical form is not 'confirms', it is corroborates. The source quoted is not in the position to confirm nor deny the allegation, as implied (awkwardly) by the apostrophes. Since the English language features words specifically intended to convey the subtlety of meaning, why do they go unused?
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macrumors G4
Good points . . .
If this device is being made for 2010, then it most likely will utilise a high-end version of whatever PA Semi is designing - say a quad-core ARM Cortex A9 with high end PowerVR SGX graphics. A cut down version (single core, half or quarter of the graphics power) would be used for the iPhone of the time. The high end SoC would also be used in the AppleTV 2010, and other consumer devices that Apple will come out with in the due course of time.
Of course, that is assuming that all these analysts aren't just spreading rumours
Of course, that is assuming that all these analysts aren't just spreading rumours
Dirty Smuggler
macrumors newbie
Relatively affordable as in Apple and in tablets. Not relatively affordable compared to similarly powered netbooks. I think the Air and tablets both didn't sell as well as expected simply because the extra benefits they offered over the average notebook weren't worth the extravagant prices.
Dirty Smuggler
macrumors newbie
Amen to that. Even simple things like internet and typing would benefit greatly with a 10' screen.
At MWSF07 and 08, Steve announced the iPhone and the Macbook Air respectively, assuring tech fans that there would be similarly revolutionary consumer products within the year. Altho the fact that the Macbook Air took the whole year to arrive should have given us a clue that 18 months later, we'd still be hearing rumours about the most vaunted candidate for whatever vaporware he could possibly have been alluding to still being a year away, that doesn't make it any less annoying.
There's a recession on. I want a quad-core that doesn't cost the earth, not a consumer product that ties up OS releases by forcing developers to scale the software to yet another kind of interface. If its 3 years away, why bother hinting at it? Focus on cooling the computers efficiently enough to handle the chips that run hotter that much earlier or else restructure your product lines so that the iMac doesn't have to wait until a feature reaches the MBPs before it can include it (without damaging its "pro" designation).
This time next year, these forums will be still be abuzz with conjecture about this niche device that will be useless to most of the forum users and when we finally get the official "it's here" from Jobsy, he'll assure us that its just a taster of things to come, and 5 years later, when the iUsedtobuys*&!thatwasuseful finally comes to fruition, we'll see the heavily delayed release of OS XI which might finally bring bluray support to the Mac.
There's a recession on. I want a quad-core that doesn't cost the earth, not a consumer product that ties up OS releases by forcing developers to scale the software to yet another kind of interface. If its 3 years away, why bother hinting at it? Focus on cooling the computers efficiently enough to handle the chips that run hotter that much earlier or else restructure your product lines so that the iMac doesn't have to wait until a feature reaches the MBPs before it can include it (without damaging its "pro" designation).
This time next year, these forums will be still be abuzz with conjecture about this niche device that will be useless to most of the forum users and when we finally get the official "it's here" from Jobsy, he'll assure us that its just a taster of things to come, and 5 years later, when the iUsedtobuys*&!thatwasuseful finally comes to fruition, we'll see the heavily delayed release of OS XI which might finally bring bluray support to the Mac.
ericinboston
macrumors 68020
I'll believe this rumor when I see it...especially when it's been rumored for the past 7+ years!
I'll also be very curious to see if "it" is any good regardless of price (some PC tablets were as high as $3000 early last year and still didn't sell and we all know Apple is much more expensive than PC). Many vendors have tried to create tablets for over a decade and us humans just don't like them enough.
-Eric
I'll also be very curious to see if "it" is any good regardless of price (some PC tablets were as high as $3000 early last year and still didn't sell and we all know Apple is much more expensive than PC). Many vendors have tried to create tablets for over a decade and us humans just don't like them enough.
-Eric
Damned to fail for the same reason every other tablet has failed.
There is no point in making the tablet a Mac as that would lead to the same failure mode every other tablet ever made has failed. Desktop OSes simply are not compatible with tablet input methods. If the tablet supports Mac apps there is little to force developers to design new interfaces that work on the device. The result is quagmire. Basically you are asking for failure right out of the box and you are also showing that you don't understand iPhone OSes depth.
Are we thin skinned or what. Ballmer could jump off a cliff and I wouldn't care. The guy has no credibility.
Dave
That is an extremely narrow minded view with respect to how Apple could evolve iPhone OS for a tablet. Beside you mis the while point here the tablet is not a Mac but rather an adjunct to it. This much in the same way iPhone is.
There is no point in making the tablet a Mac as that would lead to the same failure mode every other tablet ever made has failed. Desktop OSes simply are not compatible with tablet input methods. If the tablet supports Mac apps there is little to force developers to design new interfaces that work on the device. The result is quagmire. Basically you are asking for failure right out of the box and you are also showing that you don't understand iPhone OSes depth.
The whole point is you don't want the user interface of Mac OS. As to iPhone and the Mac the two operating systems are very similar at their cores. The gross difference is the user interface for user apps. You seem to imply that iPhone OS is a lesser OS, it really isn't. It is sort of like the difference between a gnome and KDE based desktop on Linux. The same OS is still at the core. IPhone OS is impressively advanced for the size device it currently runs on.
If that's the case, I can hear Ballmer calling it the "Fisher Price OS" with a cheering crowd already...
Are we thin skinned or what. Ballmer could jump off a cliff and I wouldn't care. The guy has no credibility.
Dave
eastercat
macrumors 68040
This tablet would be perfect for me. If it could come in under $1000, I'd be even happier.
qubex
macrumors 6502
Oh, come on.
The iPhone's OS is a crippled, limiting environment: you cannot install your applications, it does not support background processing (no, needing a web server to ping you with periodic messages to get a response is not comparable, because sometimes you need applications to run in the background even when you have no connectivity), does not support multiple user profiles (I've seen the iPhone OS 3.0 beta with it's multiuser support, but I'm not convinced yet), in the current release you can't copy and paste (idem as above for 3.0), you can't save files to general storage locations to enable sharing between applications, you can't legitly mount or export filesystems, and it's dependent on life-support courtesy of iTunes. You're basically a guest in your own home.
Furthermore, there's plenty of core functionality that is not implemented on the iPhone and isn't foreseeable: a compiler, language interpreters, low-level configuration stuff...
KDE versus GNOME is not a suitable metaphor. The iPhone OS doesn't only look different, it is different. That they're derived from the same codebase is irrelevant. One might as well conclude that AIX and OSX are "the same thing". They're not.
No, the iPhone OS is not a full system. It's a toy. It's minor. On the whole, it's rather pathetic.
I'd really appreciate a well thought out tablet, but loading one with a turbocharged version of the iPhone OS would be a really bad idea.
If this device is being made for 2010, then it most likely will utilise a high-end version of whatever PA Semi is designing - say a quad-core ARM Cortex A9 with high end PowerVR SGX graphics. A cut down version (single core, half or quarter of the graphics power) would be used for the iPhone of the time. The high end SoC would also be used in the AppleTV 2010, and other consumer devices that Apple will come out with in the due course of time.
Of course, that is assuming that all these analysts aren't just spreading rumours
This is the question, if the rumors about Wintek being the supplier are true then i would say it`s going to happen this year. If they`re lies or wishful thinking then sure next year is a possibility.
I also happen to think the work that PA Semi is doing will end up in the AppleTV, the only way to keep this product successful is to reduce costs and keep developing to find that elusive killer app. Not that i`m saying it`s crap just hasn`t reached the inflection point.
M.
Actually it`s quite sophisticated for an embedded platform. Quite a bit more rounded and feature complete than Symbian, a little less so with Android and quite a bit more so that Windows Mobile well up to 6.5. Not sure as i haven`t seen this yet.
You cannot compare these with OS X, AIX or any other non-embedded OS.
If you`d spent any time looking at it, rather than the apps running on it which have to be simple by the very fact they are limited to a 480x360 res display and are controlled by a very inelegant fat finger. You`d see that whilst Apple`s decisions might be controversial, they are in the interests of general (repeat normal) users.
Hence why there`s 35,000 apps for this platform in the space of a year compared to 20,000 items of general crap over 8 or 9 years.
To quote a friend, get with the program fool.
qubex
macrumors 6502
Inflection points can herald a downturn as often as they do an upturn.
I realize that you're raising a relevant point about the accuracy of analysts' reports, but...
The preferred semantic type would have been "the preferred semantic type". Semantics are pretty subjective, and so your use of "correct" is arguably as out of place as your mention of "grammar". Grammar is only loosely affiliated with semantics, largely where agreement is concerned (which principally falls under syntax, upon which, alongside morphology, grammar's focus primarily lies). Incidentally, a singular word cannot elegantly be referred to as a "grammatical form", since that implies a sequence of words in a given order, so your post fell short in terms of both grammar AND semantics.
Just because you don't like the wording of a sentence doesn't mean it has any grammatical errors. If you disagree with something someone posts, it's probably best just to attack it on a factual level rather than lecturing them on their (mis)use of the English language. There are far too many pedantic a$%£*oles (like me) on the internet as it is.
Rocketman
macrumors 603
Because supremely literate people have jobs exploiting that valuable skill. Language hacks are in a position to receive and parse rumors on Apple, Inc. and do so in a way that concatenates news from related sites, apply seasoned judgement as to the importance and veracity of those rumors, and to present the information is a very timely and mostly multi-sourced and linked way.
That's why.
Rocketman
cite:
http://www.usenet.com.au/about/content.php?page=33&sub_id=35
Lesser Evets
macrumors 68040
This is what I've been saying Apple should release for a couple years. It's not difficult to make, especially NOW. The base should have extra connections for FW or USB2, etc. They could release bases with drives in them--optical and hard--to expand a homebase with wifi. The computer screen becomes a portable computer/tablet/browser, but can join a variable base with storage and access to peripherals.
Simple.
Somehow, I am certain Apple isn't going in this direction.
63dot
macrumors 603
Except for the minor point that it does what the vast majority of its users require it to do.
(Cut and paste excepted....for now)
personally...i think this might be a WWDC 2010 product with the focus being on how developers can intergrate iphone apps into this because i think apps will be a big part of a "tablet" device.
the potential for this is huge...as in a new product class altogether...
ipod, mac, iphone, tablet.
I also see the ipod and mac product lines begin to hit penetration, if not already, and iphone and tablet become the two main lines. Yes, I do think the idea of a "laptop" will begin to fade away and I think in 10 years, laptops wont be around instead people will use more portable tablets and their phones (which will actually see increased screen sizes as people demand better internet surfing experiences.) I do still see a pretty sizable niche for desktops though as people still want to be able to get a good 30 inch display to do projects and work and hard-core gaming.
the potential for this is huge...as in a new product class altogether...
ipod, mac, iphone, tablet.
I also see the ipod and mac product lines begin to hit penetration, if not already, and iphone and tablet become the two main lines. Yes, I do think the idea of a "laptop" will begin to fade away and I think in 10 years, laptops wont be around instead people will use more portable tablets and their phones (which will actually see increased screen sizes as people demand better internet surfing experiences.) I do still see a pretty sizable niche for desktops though as people still want to be able to get a good 30 inch display to do projects and work and hard-core gaming.
Ten years from now? By then I'd expect phones to be powerful enough to drive a 30" display with ease. So your computer is a desktop when you need it to be, and a pocketable device at all other times.
Stately
macrumors 6502a
All I can say is that Apple better truly put their all into this device if none other. After all this time of waiting . . that thing better run everything possible,i.e. Photoshop, Keynote, Ai PDF's, etc . . and be able to edit it all, receive from others, send out, go on the net, fly to me when I forget it at home, lol . . fluently, natively, in an intuitive manner, whatever lol. Just do it already, be like Nike on this one Apple. I'm tired out. This is my last contribution to the tablet rumors until it is on the scene as a product that is genuinely about to be delivered to the public.
puffnstuff
macrumors 65816
iphone os is perfect for a netbook style tablet. I am sure all they have to do is some minor tweaking to make it function as any other OS or perhaps OS 3.0 can do the job just have to wait and see when WWDC rolls around.