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'Antennagate' Reactions: RIM, Nokia, Taiwanese Animation
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Yes they do. It's depends on the location. If 50% of iPhone 4's had the issue and 50% didn't then Apple would have to admit a fault. Don't believe this? Take a 'perfect' iPhone 4 to the same location as one that shows the defect. Both will show similar results.
Not that weak: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3821/iphone-4-redux-analyzing-apples-ios-41-signal-fix/3
According to Anandtech it contributes significantly to signal degradation. Apple will not admit this issue exist. That really isn't cool.
Even Apple state this. It is location dependant, not unit dependant. How you can still deny this after all the tests done by various 3rd parties and even Apple's own admission is beyond belief.
If anything shouldn't the 4 have a better call drop ratio than the 3GS? I mean after all it is a newly designed antenna that is more sensitive. That doesn't sound like something that should have more dropped calls.
For heaven's sake - did anybody actually watch the damned press conference? This was addressed directly by Jobs in the main presentation. You can do your own research - it is readily available online.
C'mon, try to be honest with me
All this mess started up because people like you start whining about how the iPhone dropped bars holding it in a "normal way".
Now, after apple and several videos demonstrated that you can see the same effect on almost all the smartphones, the issue suddenly switched to "in the iPhone there is a single point of failure", and all the whining about holding it in a "normal way" is forgotten.
I am sure you are not a basher, but 99% of your "friends" here surely are
You are maybe the most famous iPhone basher of the forum, Aiden
You enjoy other apple products and INCIDENTALLY signed up on June 2010, posting almost only in iPhone 4 threads, and keep criticizing iPhone ?Yet you're still wasting energy only to complain about complainers, how does that make you different (if not worse)? Please, give me a hint so I can at least try to understand your motivations...
Also, I'm here because I enjoy other Apple products, yet you want to deter me, and anyone like me from thinking Apple could do better? Fortunately for us all, Apple themselves don't.
I didn't realize we weren't allowed to be skeptics against an Apple product in an Apple-based forum. Perhaps you've been here too long? Please, if little else, grow some tolerance... it will only do you good.
I'm very very sorry, but it is very hard to believe ...
I beg your pardon if I'm wrong ...
C'mon, try to be honest with me
All this mess started up because people like you start whining about how the iPhone dropped bars holding it in a "normal way".
Now, after apple and several videos demonstrated that you can see the same effect on almost all the smartphones, the issue suddenly switched to "in the iPhone there is a single point of failure", and all the whining about holding it in a "normal way" is forgotten.
I am sure younger not a basher, but 99% of your "friends" here surely are
Cmaier is not a basher. Look at his post history before you condemn him. "Basher" or "Troll" is not a term you use to describe someone who disagrees with you.
And the issue hasn't changed, as we pointed out to Dmann several times. The iPhone 4's weak spot is in a position where you touch it when you hold the phone normally. No one has moved goal posts except in your mind...
I saw the press conference. Steve only speculated that people buying cases mask the problem. He isn't sure if that is the cause of the higher dropped call percentage.
If anything AT&T has more data about the dropped calls than Apple does. Especially then people use the Marks the Spot App to record them (which everyone should be doing, a lot).
C'mon, try to be honest with me
All this mess started up because people like you start whining about how the iPhone dropped bars holding it in a "normal way".
No, this mess started because apple released a defective phone. I never "whined.". And, yes, its a normal way to hold the phone. Even steve jobs holds it like I do.
Now, after apple and several videos demonstrated that you can see the same effect on almost all the smartphones, the issue suddenly switched to "in the iPhone there is a single point of failure", and all the whining about holding it in a "normal way" is forgotten.
I am sure younger not a basher, but 99% of your "friends" here surely are
I seldom agree with the people you call my friends. I bash apple when it needs bashing - crappy phone defect, crappy AppStore policies, etc. I defend apple when it deserves defending - lawsuits, awesome OS, revolutionary iPad, etc.
I said nothing about single point of failure, but I have to now say your theory that a phone that dies from a single touch is better than a phone that dies from multiple touches in multiple locations is the same theory that the guy who designed the deathstar had. See how that worked out?
MacRumors should throw this link on the news forum. It's one of the more sane analyses I've seen:
http://www.itworld.com/offbeat/114487/iphone-4-antennagate
http://www.itworld.com/offbeat/114487/iphone-4-antennagate
Good article. Very interesting perspective on the dropped calls. I didn't think of it that way.
Not aimed at you personally but "I didn't think" has been the big problem here.
Like with the bar scale: the reason it was such an important issue is that the pre-4.0.1 scale was inducing people to believe they could make a viable call where, in fact, that couldn't. That is why many of them were getting the impression of more dropped calls. But the press - and most of the Fandroids here - could not or would not see that.
Good summary of the feeding frenzy that is going on. You can see that witch burning and blood letting have a modern equivalent.
Eh, I honestly haven't been in an area where I remember thinking I didn't have signal here and now I do with my iPhone 4. That is something that will be hard for me to be on the lookout for since the places that I don't have a very good signal, are still places where I don't have a very good signal.
I can see where the signal display is a screw up. I remember they changed it's appearance (only for the UTMS users). It didn't affect me at the time, and when I got my 3GS I didn't notice it then either.
Yes. Once again - that's yes, I do.
I signed up recently. I didn't start using Macs recently, ok? Do you see the difference? You think people sign up straight out of childbirth?
I could give you my resume but I doubt you would believe it anyway and I don't really see what it would serve other than being silly. If you find my intentions so hard to believe perhaps you need to reflect upon why you are so quick to be prejudging others.
Stop being such a leprechaun about things, I'm not trying to steal your gold. Let's move on.
It's definitely a contender among many, but my personal favorite was the photo of the actual press conference at approximately 0:05. It's Steve in front of a giant screen with text that reads "We can't make enough bumpers". Taken out of context and juxtaposed with the the corny music, that message looks totally demented, like Steve had lost his marbles and was in the middle of going through a list of bullet points along the lines ofLoved the video! That at&t chain ball was the funniest thing.
1) We can't make enough bumpers
2) Squirrels don't have beards
3) Hello backwards spells olleh
4) I like salty ice cream
5) Aliens ate my Buick
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you tested all 3 million iPhones to prove this point.
As you pointed out to who?
Where, in this discussion, did I claim that the issue has changed?
Don't go 'name dropping' to try to support your rationalizations, as your attempts of 'pointing out' were far from conclusive.
Here's the Taiwan video, but with English subtitles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HUBVuaCIPo
The subtitles help explain a few references.
Apparently that news channel has a reputation for creating animations of current news events. Must be fun to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HUBVuaCIPo
The subtitles help explain a few references.
Apparently that news channel has a reputation for creating animations of current news events. Must be fun to watch.
Thank you for a well-reasoned and articulate post. Although it will be lost on most (especially those who don't want their arguments derailed by "facts"), thanks for trying to educate. I have run out of energy
Apple press confresses lost all meaning to me the 2nd they tried to really throw everybody else under the bus with them for their screw up.
They made WAY to big of a deal about everyone else is effect and started showing some rather questionable results at best and threw up some funny numbers.
If they had left it at everyone has problems like this and left it at that they might of been fine and focused more on the bumper and they are trying to fix it then would of had more meaning.
But dragging in RIM, HTC, Nokia and others was a mistake. RIM, Nokia HTC and others had mostly stayed quit about how they do not suffer the same problems and not really said much at all. Apple insulted them and now they are starting to respond. This was a very bad PR move on apple part dragging them in and it already has backfired on them and it is only getting worse.
Minus the apple fanboys most people are not buying it and I have seen more than one person say no more iPhone after that because the others now are showing data that says look apple put out BS.
They made WAY to big of a deal about everyone else is effect and started showing some rather questionable results at best and threw up some funny numbers.
If they had left it at everyone has problems like this and left it at that they might of been fine and focused more on the bumper and they are trying to fix it then would of had more meaning.
But dragging in RIM, HTC, Nokia and others was a mistake. RIM, Nokia HTC and others had mostly stayed quit about how they do not suffer the same problems and not really said much at all. Apple insulted them and now they are starting to respond. This was a very bad PR move on apple part dragging them in and it already has backfired on them and it is only getting worse.
Minus the apple fanboys most people are not buying it and I have seen more than one person say no more iPhone after that because the others now are showing data that says look apple put out BS.
You have no basis for stating "most" here, and I really wish you'd stop throwing around the word fanboy to describe anyone who disagrees with the hysterical crap storm that has been created by the media. I'd say "most" are happy with the iPhone 4, but I can't be sure of that until several more weeks go by. I seriously doubt that's going to change though.
It IS an issue continually having to ask for the person to whom you are listening to repeat himself.
And it does not require anything more than turning on speakerphone and recording.
The ATTENUATION problem which all cell phones have when the signal is blocked to some degree is not what this antenna problem is. The iPhone 4 problem that many have complained about (<0.5 % of owners) can be fixed by making it unlikely that the gap in the lower left edge of the iPhone is bridged.
If you want to have some fun with an iPhone 4 owner, put a small piece of aluminum foil inside the case so that the gap is bridged all the time.