'Antennagate' Reactions: RIM, Nokia, Taiwanese Animation

[DMann]

MacRumors should throw this link on the news forum. It's one of the more sane analyses I've seen:

http://www.itworld.com/offbeat/114487/iphone-4-antennagate

Excellent and informative article!

Great perspective about the issue of dropped calls.

In areas which had previously been 'dead zones,' I now get bars of signal, while others using a 3GS do not.

Expand the reception field - increase the likelihood of dropped calls.

Greater reception - more dramatic the illusion of signal drop.

Wonderful points about the media, CR, tech, etc.

You have no basis for stating "most" here, and I really wish you'd stop throwing around the word fanboy to describe anyone who disagrees with the hysterical crap storm that has been created by the media. I'd say "most" are happy with the iPhone 4, but I can't be sure of that until several more weeks go by. I seriously doubt that's going to change though.

Hysteria feeds on hysteria, it seems.

Very much agreed, most people I know seem very happy with the iPhone 4 - it is doubtful that this will change.

 

[KnightWRX]

You have no basis for stating "most" here, and I really wish you'd stop throwing around the word fanboy to describe anyone who disagrees with the hysterical crap storm that has been created by the media.

Yeah, like some people haven't been throwing the words hater and troll for people who disagree with Steve Jobs on this one.

Pot, meet Kettle.

 

[AidenShaw]

Hitler Reacts to the Iphone 4 Press Conference (video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15b04AjCPow&feature=related

 

[Journojulz]

Minus the apple fanboys most people are not buying it....

About a million a week are.

Maybe they are idiots - maybe they don't mind the workaround when the overall package is so good?

if the product isn't good for you - don't buy it.

 

[AidenShaw]

if the product isn't good for you - don't buy it.

Or, if it bothers you that the CEO of the company will hold a press conference to present lies and half-truths about the product - don't buy it.

 

[-aggie-]

Yeah, like some people haven't been throwing the words hater and troll for people who disagree with Steve Jobs on this one.

Pot, meet Kettle.

Unless you're referring to the obvious trolls, which deserve that distinction, I'm not one of those people, so don't throw me into that group. Besides, I've never used those terms to refer to someone in a post.

 

[Journojulz]

Or, if it bothers you that the CEO of the company will hold a press conference to present lies and half-truths about the product - don't buy it.

Right then.

You have obviously stepped beyond the boundaries of credibility with apple here.

I take it you are still remaining here for some sort of purpose purpose.....

 

[cmaier]

Right then.

You have obviously stepped beyond the boundaries of credibility with apple here.

I take it you are still remaining here for some sort of purpose purpose.....

Aiden may be trolly, but he's right this time. (It happens every now and again).

 

[Journojulz]

Again - if you have come to the conclusion that you can no longer trust the company or its products (for whatever reason) maybe its time to join the jolly folks at crackberry.com?

 

[Max(IT)]

MacRumors should throw this link on the news forum. It's one of the more sane analyses I've seen:

http://www.itworld.com/offbeat/114487/iphone-4-antennagate

Great article.
Sadly, the bashers here are not going to read it.
Did you see Aiden, Cmaier or KnightWrx, just to speak about the most active, discuss about that article in a logic way ?
No, they are still fighting their personal war against the iPhone 4, no matter what you said ...

Or, if it bothers you that the CEO of the company will hold a press conference to present lies and half-truths about the product - don't buy it.

did you realize you just confirmed to be here just to fight a personal war against Steve Jobs ???
Are you paid for that ?
If you dislike apple and its CEO (because apple was, is and will be Steve Jobs), what's the reason for your presence here? I'm puzzled.
I don't like windows and Microsoft products, as a rule of thumb. I'm not going to sign up on a windows based forum ...

 

[Max(IT)]

No, this mess started because apple released a defective phone. I never "whined.". And, yes, its a normal way to hold the phone. Even steve jobs holds it like I do.

the phone is NOT defective, then,because you can reproduce the same issue on almost EVERY phone out there.
Just holding it in a "normal way" ...

I seldom agree with the people you call my friends. I bash apple when it needs bashing - crappy phone defect, crappy AppStore policies, etc. I defend apple when it deserves defending - lawsuits, awesome OS, revolutionary iPad, etc.


I said nothing about single point of failure, but I have to now say your theory that a phone that dies from a single touch is better than a phone that dies from multiple touches in multiple locations is the same theory that the guy who designed the deathstar had. See how that worked out?

I really think you are not a troll (and I used the term "friends" meaning that ), but keep saying the iPhone is defective doesn't make it true.
It is a BEHAVIOR, not a flaw.
Read CAREFULLY the article linked by aggie: it is very interesting.

 

[AidenShaw]

Great article.
Sadly, the bashers here are not going to read it.
Did you see Aiden, Cmaier or KnightWrx, just to speak about the most active, discuss about that article in a logic way ?
No, they are still fighting their personal war against the iPhone 4, no matter what you said ...

I did read it - but the premise of the article is that free bumpers are an OK fix for the defective Iphone 4.

My "personal war", as you call it, against the Iphone 4 will end the minute that Jobs stands up and admits that "Apple screwed up" and takes responsibility for the Iphone 4 problems. Period. End.

The partial admission of guilt (would Apple give out free cases if there was nothing wrong with the phone?) isn't adequate.

did you realize you just confirmed to be here just to fight a personal war against Steve Jobs ???
Are you paid for that ?

Of course not.

If you dislike apple and its CEO (because apple was, is and will be Steve Jobs), what's the reason for your presence here?

If you own Apple stock, then I must assume that you will dump all of it the day before Jobs dies.

 

[KnightWRX]

Great article.
Sadly, the bashers here are not going to read it.
Did you see Aiden, Cmaier or KnightWrx, just to speak about the most active, discuss about that article in a logic way ?

The article said nothing new. I did read it entirely. What is there to comment on that hasn't already been said ?

 

[DMann]

Right then.

You have obviously stepped beyond the boundaries of credibility with apple here.

I take it you are still remaining here for some sort of purpose purpose.....

Peculiar, isn't it?

did you realize you just confirmed to be here just to fight a personal war against Steve Jobs ???
Are you paid for that ?
If you dislike apple and its CEO (because apple was, is and will be Steve Jobs), what's the reason for your presence here? I'm puzzled.
I don't like windows and Microsoft products, as a rule of thumb. I'm not going to sign up on a windows based forum ...

This alone, confirmed by many here, has been one of the most bizarre, long-time mysteries, here on this forum.

Exponentially more so, if not on a competitor's payroll.

If not for the sole desire to troll, there is no purpose, other than to tantalize, deride, and churn FUD.

Read CAREFULLY the article linked by aggie: it is very interesting.

The article is insightful and informative.

Free bumpers, at this time, offer an interim fix, which work promptly and simply.

If a change in the manufacturing process were to improve attenuation, i.e. non-conductive, long-lasting protective coating, a 'soft recall' via Genius appointment would be in line, without the extraneous hoopla.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[AidenShaw]

Free bumpers, at this time, offer an interim fix, which work promptly and simply.

Yes, an interim fix for a defective phone design.

Would Apple offer free cases if there were nothing wrong with the phone? How can someone say "interim fix" in one post, and "there's no problem" in another. Too much cognative dissonance!

If a change in the manufacturing process were to improve attenuation, i.e. non-conductive, long-lasting protective coating, a 'soft recall' via Genius appointment would be in line, without the extraneous hoopla.

Nothing wrong with that.

I think one would want to reduce attenuation, not improve it.

And there *is* something wrong with that - if Apple has plans to fix the defective design of the Iphone 4, why isn't Apple promising the fix to all current owners?

All Apple has promised is a limited time offer for free rubber bands as a band-aid to help people use the defective Iphone 4.

There's a *lot* wrong with that.

 

[DMann]

Yes, an interim fix for a defective phone design.

Not a defective design if it works well for the vast majority - any other company would likely have ignored an issue of this small scale altogetherl

Too much cognative dissonance!

Too hilarious for words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A brand new entry for the Encyclopedia of Oxymorons.

Where is the cognitive dissonance?

Less than one percent of +3,000,000 sales are having issues. An interim fix for a 'blip,' one which is still being investigated, after a three week time-period, is more diligent and considerate, than not.

And there *is* something wrong with that - if Apple has plans to fix the defective design of the Iphone 4, why isn't Apple promising the fix to all current owners?

Making promises which may or may not be possible to keep? That's intelligent.

All Apple has promised is a limited time offer for free rubber bands as a band-aid to help people use the defective Iphone 4.

An interim fix for the relatively small percentage having issues is extremely fair - no one ruled out further improvements after this issue has been further evaluated.

There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[AidenShaw]

blah blah blah

So, other than pointing out a typo in my post, nothing new....

 

[gehrbox]

So, other than pointing out a typo in my post, nothing new....

If it seems like repetition it's probably because people tend to repeat themselves when the listener does nothing but shake their head.

 

[KnightWRX]

Less than one percent of +3,000,000 sales are having issues.

Where did you get this stat ? Not the conference I hope, because you do understand that people calling Applecare aren't the only ones having the issue right ?

See aggie, this is what I mean. There's disingenuous people on both sides. Now I have to again post a rebuttal to DMann, because he fails to even listen to facts and then correct his claims and misinformation :

1- 0.55% of iPhone 4s have the problem : Wrong! 0.55% of iPhone 4 users have called Applecare about it. This leaves out the fact that some went to the Apple Store, unknown number, some went to AT&T, unknown number, some went to O2 UK, unknown number, some complained on the Internet, unknown number, some waited patiently for a response from Apple, unknown number. Steve's comment was disingenuous and made in a way to mislead. It did, as now people are saying there's only 0.55% of units affected (well, at least, people in the iPhone 4 defense squad). It's 100% of units, Steve didn't deny it with only users in low signal areas seeing it represented on the bar display or dropping calls.

Deflect, Deny, Spin. Continue doing this DMann, you keep fanning the flames coming at you from all sides. It's ironic you then complain that people just won't let go of the issue. Like Apple, all you're doing is pissing people off with your half truths and biased statistics that ignore the whole picture.

 

[AidenShaw]

If it seems like repetition it's probably because people tend to repeat themselves when the listener does nothing but shake their head.

How can you do anything but "shake your head" when the poster does nothing but repeat the party line arguments without listening to the "listener"?

How can someone say "interim fix" and continue to refuse to admit that there is a problem that needs to be fixed? "Interim fix" screams both that something is broken, and that a better fix is coming later. If bumpers are the "interim fix", what and when is the "real fix"?

The mind boogles.

(The word "boogles" is a typo for "boggles", so that the poster can make a post pointing out the typo while ignoring the rest of the argument.)

 

[DMann]

Where did you get this stat ? Not the conference I hope, because you do understand that people calling Applecare aren't the only ones having the issue right ?

Where did you get yours?

Conjecture?

Being that lines returning their allegedly defective phones haven't been posted anywhere, where's your proof?

Whole picture, huh?

Your one to talk.

 

[gehrbox]

Where did you get this stat ? Not the conference I hope, because you do understand that people calling Applecare aren't the only ones having the issue right ?

Would you prefer Apple just pick a number out of the air? Where do you think the other manufacturers get their figures?

 

[DMann]

How can you do anything but "shake your head" when the poster does nothing but repeat the party line arguments without listening to the "listener"?

And you listen?

Had you considered the context, "An interim fix for the relatively small percentage having issues is extremely fair,"

who's not listening here?

The mind boogles.

(The word "boogles" is a typo for "boggles", so that the poster can make a post pointing out the typo while ignoring the rest of the argument.)

Typo?

Uh-huh.

Considering the context, the alleged typo within your apparent insult "cognative dissonance," seems somewhat ironic, and revealing.

 

[AidenShaw]

Blah blah blah

Not listening? If it isn't a problem, why do we need an "interim fix"???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15b04AjCPow&feature=related

 

[gehrbox]

How can you do anything but "shake your head" when the poster does nothing but repeat the party line arguments without listening to the "listener"?

No typos, but some interesting word usage.

Apple does not have an issue with the phone. They made a conscious decision and felt it was an acceptable risk. A very small percentage of iP4 buyers found this unacceptable. Apple is offering the bumper to appease these owners. It's interim because Apple is leaving the door open to another solution for these users and future buyers of the phone.