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'Antennagate' Reactions: RIM, Nokia, Taiwanese Animation
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Seeing what prick and a liar nutJobs is makes me sorry for buying an MBP recently. Six months back I regarded Apple as a top company, now they're probably the worst in regards to trust, honesty, and responsibility.
That video is incredibly hilarious!
Thanks for making me feel like a jerk for laughing at the video, but you got to love dark humor.
We have never seen this before so this is not typical!
Besides, Nokia and RIM don't leave a phone on market for more than several months before discontinuing it for another model anyway so why should they care.
First, I think it's probably fair to say that for every single phone that shows four signal bars, every user everywhere will always see 1-2 bars except where they see 3-4.
The only case not included in that is no bars-- no signal at all. When you say you never see areas of low signal, that basically means that you've never left your coverage area (not that your operator has signal everywhere, because none of them do). What it does mean is that for the purpose of demonstrating this antenna flaw-- whether the apparently dramatic attenuation in the iPhone 4 or the less dramatic drops in other vendors phones-- you lie outside the scope of the experiment, since the entire issue revolves around what happens when that attenuation takes a signal that *is already low* and drops it below the point where it is usuable-- to where it negatively affects call quality or causes a call to drop.
If you never travel to a location where your signal level is that low, you probably won't see a noticeable drop even if your handset had such a flaw and you were holding it in such a way to cause that flaw to manifest.
As stated earlier, the only reason this has become such a big issue is because of Apple's profile. What other phone company do you know of that has shipped over 3m phones in 3 weeks, and not only that... but for a highly publicised phone.
I own the iPhone 4, and have had all other generations of the iPhone too... this issue is true... for ALL of them, even right back to my Sony Ericcson P900. I live in a very weak signal area in the UK, and the only way I can get a signal in my house, is to place my phone on the XStand, which for all other iPhones, I only used to get about 1-2 bars and often dropped the call as soon as I lifted the phone to answer a call. On the iPhone 4, yes, it does drop bars... but I'm now getting 3-4 bars, and once I'm on a call... it holds signal a lot better than anything else I've ever used.
From what I can see though, it takes a lot for a perfectionist company like Apple (I know they have a lot of flaws), to call a media event, and for Steve to stand in front of the press and admit to screwing up, be it in software related issues or whatever... I couldn't see many other companies willing to do that... they'd just bury their head. I don't think this would ever have been such an issue had they got their initial algorithm correct for displaying the proper signal strength.
As for comments to 'less support calls than what applecare were getting' in the reports, I don't know about you, but up until AppleCare was created... I'd be back banging on the door of where I bought the device. I hated the thought of having to phone a manufacturers support line, cause you often just got passed about, or got some foreign call centre with people you couldn't understand or couldn't understand you, so I could quite easily believe that support calls to the manufacturer were lower.
I own the iPhone 4, and have had all other generations of the iPhone too... this issue is true... for ALL of them, even right back to my Sony Ericcson P900. I live in a very weak signal area in the UK, and the only way I can get a signal in my house, is to place my phone on the XStand, which for all other iPhones, I only used to get about 1-2 bars and often dropped the call as soon as I lifted the phone to answer a call. On the iPhone 4, yes, it does drop bars... but I'm now getting 3-4 bars, and once I'm on a call... it holds signal a lot better than anything else I've ever used.
From what I can see though, it takes a lot for a perfectionist company like Apple (I know they have a lot of flaws), to call a media event, and for Steve to stand in front of the press and admit to screwing up, be it in software related issues or whatever... I couldn't see many other companies willing to do that... they'd just bury their head. I don't think this would ever have been such an issue had they got their initial algorithm correct for displaying the proper signal strength.
As for comments to 'less support calls than what applecare were getting' in the reports, I don't know about you, but up until AppleCare was created... I'd be back banging on the door of where I bought the device. I hated the thought of having to phone a manufacturers support line, cause you often just got passed about, or got some foreign call centre with people you couldn't understand or couldn't understand you, so I could quite easily believe that support calls to the manufacturer were lower.
Even though my Blackberry Storm2 is a pita to use for reasons other than Antenna, I have tried to replicate the death grip but i'm safe to say it just doesn't happen.
Sorry Apple you are wrong on this one. Stop pointing fingers and throwing your toys out the pram and get to working on iPhone 5😉
Oh and that Taiwanese news vid was hilarious😀
and to ignorant people defending Apple saying things like..."these other companies arent actively denying it which makes Jobs right or else they would sue." is utter rubbish. Read the statements again PROPERLY.
For instance, Nokia said clearly..
Nokia has invested thousands of man hours in studying how people hold their phones and allows for this in designs, for example by having antennas both at the top and bottom of the phone and by careful selection of materials and their use in the mechanical design.
To me they've explained that the issue is real, but they work to find solutions around so it doesnt drasticly affect the user experience.
Sorry Apple you are wrong on this one. Stop pointing fingers and throwing your toys out the pram and get to working on iPhone 5😉
Oh and that Taiwanese news vid was hilarious😀
and to ignorant people defending Apple saying things like..."these other companies arent actively denying it which makes Jobs right or else they would sue." is utter rubbish. Read the statements again PROPERLY.
For instance, Nokia said clearly..
Nokia has invested thousands of man hours in studying how people hold their phones and allows for this in designs, for example by having antennas both at the top and bottom of the phone and by careful selection of materials and their use in the mechanical design.
To me they've explained that the issue is real, but they work to find solutions around so it doesnt drasticly affect the user experience.
Anuba
macrumors 68040
I know! And people say cultures don't understand one another. The taiwanese appear to have a better grasp of the "Cult of Mac" than most in the Western world do. OK, the "iCrap on sale" sign was a low blow but the whole thing with vanquishing evil Microsoft only to take over their Darth Vader helmet was awesome and depressingly prophetic. Steve just got schooled Asian style...
Bonus points for the ATT ball and chain.
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
Hum, are you comparing a broad reaching patent lawsuit that comes after 3 years of negotiation for patents which are legitimate and licensed by many other tech companies to some frivolous slander lawsuit ?
Having a "lawsuit happy culture" means just that, frivolous suits over "he said, she said" crap. Patents are a completely other thing and involve big dollars, on both sides.
My comment still stands and next time, at least try to think before you post.
Really, so that's why they went public with this thing? That was as up front as a company can be. So your analysis is grossly flawed!
Moreover, consumer reports does a much better job at outing crap technology. Man you better check yourself!
Oh, and if you want to talk about some big corp that wasn't up front is Toyota!!!!!
DMann
macrumors 601
Had CR tested all phone models with the same scrutiny, Apple wouldn't have had to.
Bernard SG
macrumors 65816
Actually, NOKIA has filed a lawsuit against Apple for patent violation in the iPhone technology, and Apple has counterattacked. The two companies are in a bitter legal battle, so it makes little doubt that Nokia would totally sue Apple if they had a shot at proving that Apple jeopardizes their company image by floating inaccurate statements.
That being said, it was totally classless from Jobs to name other companies in his presentation. That was uncalled for.
But I side with Apple in the position that this "antennagate" is overblown.
Ahahah
What the Tawanese Animation says about Apple is more than what we think.
It clearly shows that, whatever the ******** US medias or blogs try to pull out to s$uck the c$ck of Apple, and so on for their stupid fanboi apologist, it may not be the case in the rest of the world.
I know that here in France, or just next in UK, the simple news most people have remembered is "the Iphone 4 has problem, it's a crappy phone, it's not a cool shiny shiny device anymore"
And I completely agree, innovation pace at Apple is now zero, otherwise I wouldn't have not care about the death grip at all
What the Tawanese Animation says about Apple is more than what we think.
It clearly shows that, whatever the ******** US medias or blogs try to pull out to s$uck the c$ck of Apple, and so on for their stupid fanboi apologist, it may not be the case in the rest of the world.
I know that here in France, or just next in UK, the simple news most people have remembered is "the Iphone 4 has problem, it's a crappy phone, it's not a cool shiny shiny device anymore"
And I completely agree, innovation pace at Apple is now zero, otherwise I wouldn't have not care about the death grip at all
Anuba
macrumors 68040
Nokia is suing in the US over an alleged patent infringement.
They're not suing Apple in Finland over hot coffee, sexual harrassment in the workplace or airplane seats not being wide enough to support whales.
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
0815
macrumors 68000
Funny ....
Funny how many people take the side of RIM, Nokia, .... etc. If there is a problem, don't deny it (but it is so much cooler to bash Apple than anyone else ....).
There is proof that other manufactures have this problem too. It all depends on how you hold the phone. You can reproduce it on any phone if you know where the Antenna is (Apple just put an black stripe at the week spot which makes it easier to reproduce)
The problem is that it is fashion to bash Apple and apparently it not cool to bash Apples competition.
Lets forget for a moment the brand names, take a step back and have a broader look at it: Every phone has antenna issues if you hold it in a certain way - you can't discuss this away. The questions to look at is: does it happen if you hold it in an natural way? Does it only happen where you already have bad connections? This is where the differences might be.
From how I see it, it happens to all of them if you hold in some unnatural way. You can do it to any phone if you know where the antenna is. There are plenty of videos on the web to proof it.
I never had a RIM, Nokia, ... etc, so I can't speak for those devices. However I have an iPhone4. All I can say is, that this never happened to me in normal everyday usage. I friend showed me what to do to make it happen, now I can reproduce, but I can't imagine anyone holding the phone like that in normal use. I would assume this hold true for all manufactures - they are made to be hold in a natural way.
So let's forget this stupid discussions and start using the phones (no matter which brand) without artificial death grips.
but as long as apple is getting bashed about this, they have the right to point out that they are in the same boat as all the others.
Funny how many people take the side of RIM, Nokia, .... etc. If there is a problem, don't deny it (but it is so much cooler to bash Apple than anyone else ....).
There is proof that other manufactures have this problem too. It all depends on how you hold the phone. You can reproduce it on any phone if you know where the Antenna is (Apple just put an black stripe at the week spot which makes it easier to reproduce)
The problem is that it is fashion to bash Apple and apparently it not cool to bash Apples competition.
Lets forget for a moment the brand names, take a step back and have a broader look at it: Every phone has antenna issues if you hold it in a certain way - you can't discuss this away. The questions to look at is: does it happen if you hold it in an natural way? Does it only happen where you already have bad connections? This is where the differences might be.
From how I see it, it happens to all of them if you hold in some unnatural way. You can do it to any phone if you know where the antenna is. There are plenty of videos on the web to proof it.
I never had a RIM, Nokia, ... etc, so I can't speak for those devices. However I have an iPhone4. All I can say is, that this never happened to me in normal everyday usage. I friend showed me what to do to make it happen, now I can reproduce, but I can't imagine anyone holding the phone like that in normal use. I would assume this hold true for all manufactures - they are made to be hold in a natural way.
So let's forget this stupid discussions and start using the phones (no matter which brand) without artificial death grips.
but as long as apple is getting bashed about this, they have the right to point out that they are in the same boat as all the others.
MorphingDragon
macrumors 603
If the innovation pace at Apple was zero, the iPhone 4 would be exactly the same as the 3GS, just with an iPhone 4 logo on it.
Did you even read the statements? especially the one from Nokia, where they clearly noted that antenna location is a real issue..HOWEVER they continue to invest ways around it so it doesnt impact the day to day usage for consumers.
You say Apple have done good to reveal the exact antenna location on the iPhone 4, but how does that help IF the antenna is in an awkward location? a location where most people naturally hold their phones...sounds pretty silly to me.
I never experience dropped calls with my BB Storm2 and I definitely don't have to put extra thought into how I hold it...some of you people sound so ridiculous!
Bernard SG
macrumors 65816
macsmurf
macrumors 65816
Apple continuously comment on other companies. To blame them, accuse them, make fun of them, whatever. It's like watching a little kid.
"Nya, Nya" - commenting on Microsoft
"He started it!" - commenting on Google
"The other kids do it to!" - commenting on Nokia, etc.
In this specific situation, the traditional response is: "Well, if the other phones jumped of a bridge, would you do it too?"
Of course, I find it highly entertaining but I don't take Apple particularly seriously.
Bernard SG
macrumors 65816
Yeah, Apple is soooo lagging compared to the French and British makers of smartphones and tablets ....
How about comparing him to Kim Yong Ill and his spins on the reality? Why stop at Toyota?