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'Antennagate' Reactions: RIM, Nokia, Taiwanese Animation

gnasher729 said:
Nokia sells an awful lot more phones than Apple does. Yes, most of them are cheap phones, and Apple actually makes more profit, but Nokia sells ten times more phones than Apple. I think they sell about 30 million phones _every_ month (corrections are welcome).

The difference is that even when five percent of Nokia users have an issue, they don't go to "NokiaRumors.com" and the big whining starts, they have a Nokia phone, they know it isn't going to be perfect, they know nobody is going to listen to them, especially at Nokia, or in the press, so they get on with their lives and nobody hears a thing. And if touching the phone in a certain spot makes it drop calls, then they do the sensible thing and don't touch it in that spot.
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I have never seen Nokia press conferences telling the world how awesome, innovative and revolutionary their phones are.
When you spout off at the mouth on the world stage and something goes wrong this is what you get.
I recall reading about a plan B for the ip4 with the similar case as the 3G and 3Gs. I just wonder if the call was made to release the new design and hope for the best.
its too bad because the phone is too nice looking to be trapped in a case.
ip5 will have an all new designed antenna.
 
mentholiptus said:
Right now, they're all afraid of people throwing their devices under the same microscope Apple devices are usually under, and they don't want the same negative press. It's pretty clear they're sweating it.

I just did the same thing to my co-workers incredible. 4 bars down to none, and the "3G" indicator went blank. Care to explain that away?
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Where exactly did you touch your "co-workers incredible" to see the bars dropped?

maybe other users can test your theory...

Because like the other phone manufactures have said, their antennas are not placed in the same area as the iPhone 4.
 
jabbawok said:
Apple didn't accuse their competitors' products of having similar issues, they demonstrated it. There is a big difference. I'm sure RIM, Nokia and the rest of them were rubbing their hands when the media decided to crucify Apple for this and now they're sulking because Apple took exception to being singled out for a problem thats pretty universal.
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Hit the nail on the head here. The Ads by Verizon and statements by various phone manufacturers were ridiculous. They all still envy Apple, or in Verizon's case, regret not making a deal with them in the beginning. They got what they deserved for trying to shovel dirt on the issue.
 
dmelgar said:
Are folks seriously believing this line from Steve Jobs that all phones have this problem?

Are you really serious?

Can you really be that gullible? Do you believe any marketing spin you hear from Apple? Really?

Or are you just trying to come up with something to defend apple?
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Questioning Steve would be sacrilegious, the "cult of apple" members will defend a defective product to the end rather than disagree or question the master. That video he produced was on of the phoniest pieces of propaganda I have ever seen. Any level headed person would question the accuracy of the video, but not the zealots.
 
ChrisTX said:
Unless you have first hand experience with an iPhone 4 out in the wild your opinion is null and void until otherwise noted. :)
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My opinion concerns the Apple press conference as opposed to the tests Anandtech did. Steve Jobs said that all phones have this issue, including the iPhone. He also said that fixing this issue implies bending the laws of physics.

Now, given that the bumper fixes the issue it follows that the bumper can bend the laws of physics which is obviously absurd. That means that Jobs' statement is logically inconsistent. The only way to get around that is to not accept modus ponens, and if you don't accept that, we probably can't agree on anything.
 
macsmurf said:
My opinion concerns the Apple press conference as opposed to the tests Anandtech did. Steve Jobs said that all phones have this issue, including the iPhone. He also said that fixing this issue implies bending the laws of physics.

Now, given that the bumper fixes the issue it follows that the bumper can bend the laws of physics which is obviously absurd. That means that Jobs' statement is logically inconsistent. The only way to get around that is to not accept modus ponens, and if you don't accept that, we probably can't agree on anything.
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bumper=non-conductive... it's putting a buffer between the antenna and the hand... not tearing a hole in the space-time continuum.
 
While I agree that all phones probably have an issue of the signal dropping when held in a certain way...the Apple videos are retarded. Especially the ones where the antenna is at the top, where Apple holds the phone in a way nobody holds a phone lol. The main thing is, you don't need to grip the iPhone, you just need to touch it. I think it was cheap for Apple to put up those videos. Until they can show that you can do it with one finger, then its bogus. Apple has an antenna design that is worse than other manufacturers. Period. Does it hinder the performance to render it unusable? No.
 
macsmurf said:
Now, given that the bumper fixes the issue it follows that the bumper can bend the laws of physics which is obviously absurd. That means that Jobs' statement is logically inconsistent. The only way to get around that is to not accept modus ponens, and if you don't accept that, we probably can't agree on anything.
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Maybe that's why the bumper costs $25 ($38 in the UK!) - rather than the $1.99 it's probably worth... They put some Apple magic in it.
 
Journojulz said:
Yes, everyone used to talk about blackberry.

Now it is not the only toy in the playground
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Hum... in corporate culture, it still is the only toy in the playground, the iPhone is very much inadequate. And your use of the past tense only shows your disconnect with reality.

-aggie- said:
I think all the cell phone companies should blame Canada.
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Very insightful, did you come up with it on your own ? I guess your word is good enough.
 
Im unsure who I support in this or not. On the one hand as someone said earlier this is all out of proportion considering theminority of people having the problem. On the other hand Apples handling of it has been pathetic and if I was Nokia Id be pissed off too.

Until my Iphone I had always bought Nokias and can safely say that I never had a problem with dropped calls with them. They work better as phones than iPhones in my experience comparing a 3g / 3gs with my old Nokias, shame about everything else on the Nokias is completely outclassed....

Overall although it hasnt made me think less of Apple or will make me buy fewer Apple products I think I will give the 4 a miss and wait for the 5, maby get an Ipad to fill the gap.
 
aughsum said:
bumper=non-conductive... it's putting a buffer between the antenna and the hand... not tearing a hole in the space-time continuum.
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That doesn't change the fact that Apple's statement is inconsistent. What is actually going on is that there are two issues both contributing to signal degradation. One is the hand blocking the signal which all phones suffer from. The other is bridging the two antennas. The only phone that suffers from the latter is the iPhone 4, and it can be fixed with a piece of tape or a bumper. Anandtech has tested and confirmed this.

In other words, Apple isn't telling the truth.
 
Jimrod said:
Maybe that's why the bumper costs $25 ($38 in the UK!) - rather than the $1.99 it's probably worth... They put some Apple magic in it.
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Note the recent worldwide shortages of pixie dust. Coincidence? I think not. :)
 
I have an American BB Bold 9700, Spain Nokia E72, and another UK BB Bold 9700 (yes, I have 3 phones, 3 Sims, all in my pocket cus I move around the 3 countries a lot).


Just tried to hold them like in the video.... Absolutely nothing happened.
I haven't tried the iPhone tho.

Still, I think it's pretty pathetic to make those claims about other companies.
 
KnightWRX said:
Lawsuit happy americans are funny. Sometimes, there's no need to sue. Looking back in disgust is a proper answer. Why waste money on lawyers for something that is obviously bogus ?

Nokia is from Finland, RIM is from Canada. Neither country have a lawsuit prone culture.

Your conclusions are thus wrong that no lawsuit = Apple didn't distort the truth.
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Any company which does business in the United States, if slandered or libeled by a competitor would be in court fast enough to make your head spin, "litigious culture" or not.

KnightWRX said:
Hum... in corporate culture, it still is the only toy in the playground, the iPhone is very much inadequate. And your use of the past tense only shows your disconnect with reality.

Very insightful, did you come up with it on your own ? I guess your word is good enough.
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Butthurt Canadian is butthurt.
 
KnightWRX said:
Hum... in corporate culture, it still is the only toy in the playground, the iPhone is very much inadequate. And your use of the past tense only shows your disconnect with reality.



Very insightful, did you come up with it on your own ? I guess your word is good enough.
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not in my corporate culture..

push email, collaborative calendars, etc.. used 3 blackberrys and ~10 winmo phones over the last 7-8 years.. the iphone, imo, is the best solution for "corporate culture."

/sys. admin
 
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