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'Antennagate' Reactions: RIM, Nokia, Taiwanese Animation

Stella said:
I can death grip my nokia around the antenna, very little signal loss. Care to explain that?
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Sure. You have a great phone, aren't holding it in the right place to kill it, or have a good signal. Like I've said, I get no dropped called using the "death grip" on my iP4...I barely drop 2 bars. Now, care to comment on my question, or are you going to dodge it with more questions?

Thought so.
 
aughsum said:
So basically, hold a HTC differently=solution, hold Apple differently=@**!#?!&!!!
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More like, hold HTC naturally=solution, hold Apple awkwardly=@**!#?!&!!!

Don't hold the iPhone 4 like you held iPhone 3GS, 3G or 2.5G = @**!#?!&!!!
 
Apple should have just left out the other manufacturers. I mean, finger pointing and saying "see, our phone sucks as bad as this one" isn't going to help (and yes, that was what he was saying in essence). I'd have just given the cases away, used the "we love our users" part and then be done.
 
RIM can get away with denying the truth because their phones are aren't a cultural icon. When everyone talks about your product, its under the microscope.
 
macsmurf said:
I don't. I have no intention of buying one. I'm lefthanded. When I hold an iPhone most comfortably and securely my hand is in contact with that corner.

As an Apple customer, I don't appreciate Apple lying to me. That's all.
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Unless you have first hand experience with an iPhone 4 out in the wild your opinion is null and void until otherwise noted. :)
 
Rim USED to be the brand du jour for businessmen, but then :apple: came along and made the experience easy enough to be enjoyable. :D
 
Talking about individual cases is not going to get you anywhere. We know that some people have this 'problem' with some phones on some networks in some countries.

The drop call rates demonstrate that the iPhone 4's reception in real world use is comparable to the 3GS. The 3GS was not dogged with any suggestions on faulty design. Two and two makes four.

Some people think you can just touch one spot on the iPhone 4 - and for them that may be the case. For me it isn't. I need to wrap my hand around the phone and even then I stay connected at 1 bar. Under some conditions it may be possible to touch one spot on a different phone and get the same effect. I don't hold with the 'bridging the gap' theory mind. I think that's just a case of projecting. Two and two, doesn't make four! ;)

I think we can all agree that this is clearly something that happens to a lesser or greater degree with all phones depending on networ and the area you're in. Can we now move on from the 'It doesn't happen with my phone', 'It does happen with my phone' posts.
 
aughsum said:
I think it's a matter of volume.

.55% of IP4 owners have called into Applecare about the "issue" and, while not everyone called Applecare about their reception problems, .55% of the iPhone launch is much different than .55% of the launch of any other phone... a nokia sells 100k in its first month, .55% of users experience issues and are very vocal about their complaints - noone notices; Apple sells 3million ip4s, .55% of users experience issues and are very vocal about their complains - everyone notices.

again, my ip4 works perfectly.
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Nokia sells an awful lot more phones than Apple does. Yes, most of them are cheap phones, and Apple actually makes more profit, but Nokia sells ten times more phones than Apple. I think they sell about 30 million phones _every_ month (corrections are welcome).

The difference is that even when five percent of Nokia users have an issue, they don't go to "NokiaRumors.com" and the big whining starts, they have a Nokia phone, they know it isn't going to be perfect, they know nobody is going to listen to them, especially at Nokia, or in the press, so they get on with their lives and nobody hears a thing. And if touching the phone in a certain spot makes it drop calls, then they do the sensible thing and don't touch it in that spot.
 
MacRumors said:


On Friday, Apple held a press conference where they defended the iPhone 4's antenna design and presented data suggesting the issue was blown out of proportion. During a portion of their presentation, they demonstrated signal loss in other major phone manufacturers including devices made by RIM And Nokia.

Neither company took too kindly to the demos and both issued responses. RIM issued a statement to Crackberry.com which begins:
RIM claims Apple made design decisions they should stand by rather than pointing the finger.

Meanwhile, Nokia responded on a blog with a similar sentiment:
Finally, this crazy Taiwanese video recreation of the entire "antennagate" incident provides a humorous look (via Gizmodo):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn-YesqzvNk&feature=player_embedded
Article Link: 'Antennagate' Reactions: RIM, Nokia, Taiwanese Animation
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Jobs has become a shameless charlatan, selling snake oil to the rubes.
What a snivelling and pathetic way to take responsibility for your own actions.:(
 
I am from Germany and running on the O2 Network here.

If you have 3 bars or more of coverage and you touch it, nothing happens.
If you have 2 bars and you touch that spot it drops to 1 or no bars.

Apple should look into coating those metal areas with something to make them non conductive.

But this issue is - as Apple says - blown far out of proportion... The thing that Steve said in his email is actually quite true "Just avoid holding it that way".

And Apples attempt to show that they aren't the only company having a phone with such issues is a valid one in my opinion.

Since the media blew this one up so much that everyone and their dog think that iPhones have a weird problem that nobody else has Apple had to educate the public and show them that that isn't true.

That being said, I won't use a bumper, and my natural way of holding the phone is one that doesn't interfere with that spot so I don't have problems with it anyway.
 
macdim said:
Mhmm... That's why I can make bars drop from 3 to 0 in a matter of seconds on a Blackberry Curve by holding the bottom part of the phone with 2 fingers. My father was actually asking me about the whole iPhone signal drop thing he had heard on the news and I showed him how his BB does the exact same thing.
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"How can RIM explain why when I hold their phone it drops in bars? "

He drops it when he holds it in bars. That's why he needs to drink less. He can then hold on to it. It was a super funny joke. I demand tons of laughter and attention, not information and complaining.
 
MH01 said:
For the apologiests on this site the answer is Yes Yes Yes Yes. Just wait for the replies on this forum, a bunch of them still believe there is no issue at all, and that's it's isolated to a very very very small % of phones.
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How come you're more knowledgeable than the people you're deriding? Where's your proof of how many iPhones are affected by this issue?

Its not isolated to the iphone, look at all the other sections of the site, the number of people who do not own the actual the product in question but defend it, is disgraceful. And really sad, when people join this site with issues, asking for help and these apologist trolls flame them for being trolls.... ironic really.
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I think you're confusing MR with AppleInsider.
 
Zunjine said:
Reading both of those statements shows that niether manufacturer is denying the evidence that Apple put forward or that the same issue can can be seen with the handsets shown in the Apple's video. They are, in effect, agreeing with Apple.

Simple fact, if Apple claimed that the issue effected all smartphones and specifically mentioned three big competitors but were, in fact, not telling the truth, they would be recieveing letters from Lawyers demanding a retraction. Clearly they were not telling lies. RIM's reaction is shamefull in its twisted wording.

"Apple's claims about RIM products appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding of an antenna design issue and to deflect attention from Apple's difficult situation."

Note the words "appear to be". They're commenting on how you might percieve the presentation while sounding as if they're making a direct statement. Had they intended to state that Apple was attempting to distrtort the public's understanding then they would have just said that. They didn't because they know Apple was not doing that and, as such, that statement would have been a lie. They're basically agreeing that what Jobs said is true.

Lets all just stop freaking out now shall we? Jobs has said his piece, nobody is suing him because they know what he said was true. I can't wait until this has all gone away so we can get back to something that resembles the real world.
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"Appear to be" is used because they're referring to Apple's intent.
 
hachre said:
I am from Germany and running on the O2 Network here.

If you have 3 bars or more of coverage and you touch it, nothing happens.
If you have 2 bars and you touch that spot it drops to 1 or no bars.
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Can you make calls when it drops? Just curious.
 
D 5 said:
Can we all just get free bumpers :D

{QUOTE davesw ]
Videos: death grip on EVO, Droid Incredible, Nexus One, Galaxy 1, G1, etc.

* http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-kFc..._with_droid_x/

* Samsung I9000 Galaxy S: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROTHrTR92k

* HTC Evo Signal Attenuation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pj2YBYTbag

* Samsung Galaxy 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

* Samsung Galaxy 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPCQdYtPihg

* Droid Incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDE941PzQk

* Droid Incredible (With Network Extender in Room): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpEQH...eature=related

* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIA_lMwqJA

* Nexus One vs. iPhone (start at 1:29): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvMoV4_C4aA

* http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-kFc..._with_droid_x/

* Nexus One: http://posterous.com/getfile/files.p...n_-_iPhone.m4v

* Nexus One (after Google's update to correct): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2g5J4qPp54

* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHYT-g

* Android G1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CDaxhjUs9M

* "Major signal degradation when Nexus One is picked up" (N1 Thread on On this Problem): http://www.google.com/support/forum/...9184c33e&hl=en
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this HAS to get the award for best post of the year. Just proves what liars these other companies are. They are mad as hell Apple is putting them out there. Jobs basically said.. "You know what? If i'm going down, your ALL going down!"

Love it
 
ten-oak-druid said:
RIM can get away with denying the truth because their phones are aren't a cultural icon. When everyone talks about your product, its under the microscope.
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In corporate culture, everyone talks about Blackberry. They even have a nice nickname, the Crackberry, because of their addictive nature and "tie you to your job 24/7" functionality.

Everyone talks about RIM and the Blackberry, well, everyone outside the Apple community. :rolleyes:
 
D 5 said:
Can we all just get free bumpers :D

{QUOTE davesw ]
Videos: death grip on EVO, Droid Incredible, Nexus One, Galaxy 1, G1, etc.

* http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-kFc..._with_droid_x/

* Samsung I9000 Galaxy S: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROTHrTR92k

* HTC Evo Signal Attenuation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pj2YBYTbag

* Samsung Galaxy 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

* Samsung Galaxy 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPCQdYtPihg

* Droid Incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDE941PzQk

* Droid Incredible (With Network Extender in Room): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpEQH...eature=related

* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIA_lMwqJA

* Nexus One vs. iPhone (start at 1:29): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvMoV4_C4aA

* http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-kFc..._with_droid_x/

* Nexus One: http://posterous.com/getfile/files.p...n_-_iPhone.m4v

* Nexus One (after Google's update to correct): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2g5J4qPp54

* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHYT-g

* Android G1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CDaxhjUs9M

* "Major signal degradation when Nexus One is picked up" (N1 Thread on On this Problem): http://www.google.com/support/forum/...9184c33e&hl=en
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