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It also looks like the vast majority of this is limited to Home. Stick with Pro or Enterprise and most of this isn’t a problem.

Ultimately there are tools available to significantly reduce and kill telemetry in W10, equally the user has to balance functionality versus privacy. Windows can be invasive, nor can all be switched off in a single place... Personally I switch off all the suggestions, unrequired features and look at what permissions applications have. I don't excessively lockdown the system as that also impacts features and usability.

Ultimately it's all a trade off and Linux offers a solution for some, I'm exploring that avenue myself. That said a minimum level of knowledge is required and a new learning curve. Nor is it so simplistic to install Linux on any random hardware, especially notebooks, admittedly the situation is improving.

My own plan going forward is to run Linux off an external SSD and work on the system as time permits. This way I retain W10 untouched and any error will not be critical. The problem being is potential loss of functionality due to the complexity of the hardware. In many respects for those bound to notebooks the better solution is to purchase known good hardware that's 100% compatible or purchase a notebook from an OEM that specialises in Linux.

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Don't presume to speak for anyone except yourself. Again if YOU are unhappy and do not believe that it is in your best interest to use Microsoft there are alternatives. You seem to want others to be upset because you have decided to be. Get over it. I am not thrilled with some of the decisions Apple has made with the Mac, so the Mac I have will be my last. Apple has a right to run their company as they see fit. And I have the option to not buy. Getting bent out of shape because a company is not doing things the way you want is pointless.

Once again, if you don't like the way Microsoft runs Windows, you have the option to use something else. I am sorry but there are more things much more pressing in the world for me to be concerned about.

Why are you posting that I don't have to use Windows when I already said many times I use it? I've used every version of Windows since Windows 2.0. I have copies of Windows 10 in VMs that I am using right now on my different Macs for personal and business applications. I have a Windows 7 Mini PC I use for business that is Windows 10 upgrade ready. It's almost comical how much you are misrepresenting what I am saying. I've been very clear but it's as if you aren't even reading my posts, watching the video links and answering my questions. You're not even trying. I've provided the evidence but you said I provided no evidence at all. Again, comical. My posts have been in response you insisting that Windows 10 isn't a data privacy threat... I disagree. It's not that complicated. :rolleyes:
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Actually its you who seems to be trying to convince everyone that got a PC, that they made a mistake and aligned themselves with the evil empire. I don't trust anyone but as mentioned a there are number of ways to easily turn off the telemetry, some provided by MS and others provided scripts and tweaks. Apple wraps itself around the flag of privacy but make no mistake, they benefit from your personal data as well. As mentioned above, no one is forcing you to use MS, if you're happy with Apple that's great, others are happy with MS. One size doesn't fit all and as I've said just because they didn't pick what you like instantly makes their choice inferior.

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Incorrect. You can use Windows 10 if you want. If you and any others go back and really read and try to understand what I have bee saying you might get it. Read the article links and watch the videos. Microsoft practically admits that Windows 10 is designed to be a data mining OS. You can do all you want to convince yourself otherwise. You can try to convince yourself that telemetry is ok and that you can turn it all off but they admitted that you can't turn it all off.

Ignorance isn't bliss for me. I didn't post to make Windows 10 users feel good. I also use Windows 10 but inside VMs and cautiously. I don't care if 85% of the PC consumers in the world use consumer versions of Windows 10. I don't trust it. There are stripped down enterprise versions of Windows 10 that you can license to use from MS that supposedly have telemetry and data sharing turned off but why should I have to rent my OS when there are better alternatives available.
 
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You can use Windows 10 if you want.
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You can do all you want to convince yourself otherwise.
Incorrect, all I'm saying is you're bending over backwards trying to convince us, where as, I'm saying that one size doesn't fit all. I'm happy with my choices, why are pushing your choices on me.

I didn't post to make Windows 10 users feel good.
No but you not letting it go and your failing to grasp the understanding that we all make our own choices and just because my decision is different then yours does not make it any less worthwhile. You have your opinions and I have mine - simple as that.
 
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Incorrect, all I'm saying is you're bending over backwards trying to convince us, where as, I'm saying that one size doesn't fit all. I'm happy with my choices, why are pushing your choices on me.


No but you not letting it go and your failing to grasp the understanding that we all make our own choices and just because my decision is different then yours does not make it any less worthwhile. You have your opinions and I have mine - simple as that.
...and many people have been posting and storing their personal information on social media platforms like Facebook as well. Most people have been saying for years the exact same thing regarding data privacy on social media platforms that I have been reading in this thread about Windows 10... your data is "safe", you can "opt out" then it's not being shared, etc.. It's a type of group think that makes people feel more comfortable just because everyone else is using it. How has that worked out for them?

Enjoy your Windows 10.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-privacy-congress-idUSKCN1J11TY
 
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...and many people have been posting and storing their personal information on social media platforms like Facebook as well... your data is "safe", you can "opt out" then it's not being shared, etc.. Most people have been saying for years the exact same thing regarding data privacy on social media platforms. It's a type of group think that makes people feel more comfortable just because everyone else is using it. How has that worked out for them?

Enjoy your Windows 10.

It's just about being informed and using the best platform for your needs. For some W10 is mandatory as it's business related, equally that by default doesn't mean they are all noobs and have no clue about security.

I too use W10 nor do I have any security concerns, however I understand the OS and take sensible precautions. I also use OS X and am looking to Linux, same I equally take precautions. All operating systems are vulnerable and the weakest link is the user, especially the uninformed...

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From https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/:

"When you create an Apple ID, apply for commercial credit, purchase a product, download a software update, register for a class at an Apple Retail Store, connect to our services, contact us including by social media or participate in an online survey, we may collect a variety of information, including your name, mailing address, phone number, email address, contact preferences, device identifiers, IP address, location information, credit card information and profile information where the contact is via social media.
When you share your content with family and friends using Apple products, send gift certificates and products, or invite others to participate in Apple services or forums, Apple may collect the information you provide about those people such as name, mailing address, email address, and phone number. Apple will use such information to fulfill your requests, provide the relevant product or service, or for anti-fraud purposes.
The personal information we collect allows us to keep you posted on Apple’s latest product announcements, software updates, and upcoming events. If you don’t want to be on our mailing list, you can opt-out anytime by updating your preferences.
We also use personal information to help us create, develop, operate, deliver, and improve our products, services, content and advertising, and for loss prevention and anti-fraud purposes. We may also use your personal information for account and network security purposes, including in order to protect our services for the benefit of all our users, and pre-screening or scanning uploaded content for potentially illegal content, including child sexual exploitation material. Where we use your information for anti-fraud purposes it arises from the conduct of an online transaction with us. We limit our uses of data for anti-fraud purposes to those which are strictly necessary and within our assessed legitimate interests to protect our customers and our services. For certain online transactions we may also validate the information provided by you with publicly accessible sources.
We may use your personal information, including date of birth, to verify identity, assist with identification of users, and to determine appropriate services. For example, we may use date of birth to determine the age of Apple ID account holders.
From time to time, we may use your personal information to send important notices, such as communications about purchases and changes to our terms, conditions, and policies. Because this information is important to your interaction with Apple, you may not opt out of receiving these communications.
We may also use personal information for internal purposes such as auditing, data analysis, and research to improve Apple’s products, services, and customer communications.

We may collect information such as occupation, language, zip code, area code, unique device identifier, referrer URL, location, and the time zone where an Apple product is used so that we can better understand customer behavior and improve our products, services, and advertising.
We may collect information regarding customer activities on our website, iCloud services, our iTunes Store, App Store, Mac App Store, App Store for Apple TV and iBooks Stores and from our other products and services. This information is aggregated and used to help us provide more useful information to our customers and to understand which parts of our website, products, and services are of most interest. Aggregated data is considered non‑personal information for the purposes of this Privacy Policy.
We may collect and store details of how you use our services, including search queries. This information may be used to improve the relevancy of results provided by our services. Except in limited instances to ensure quality of our services over the Internet, such information will not be associated with your IP address.
With your explicit consent, we may collect data about how you use your device and applications in order to help app developers improve their apps.

At times Apple may provide third parties with certain personal information to provide or improve our products and services, including to deliver products at your request, or to help Apple market to consumers."


And for Stallman's take on things:
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.html

The point being, as others are saying, they're all harvesting personal data; Apple do this just as MS do.
 
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(...) Apple may collect the information you provide (...)

Well, that is kind of different: Apple collects information you provide. Microsoft on the other hand automatically collects data and sends them home. There is no way to determine what data Microsoft is collecting, one has no other choice but trust their words; according to the EULA they are entitled to collect anything they like. And yes, Microsoft has been caught in lying in that regard on various occasions.

As for me, I don't trust them one bit. I am by college education an information security expert (OSCP as well) and I have in previous years done some digging in Windows data collection. What I found did not exactly strengthen my faith in MS' trustworthyness.

As for Apple it seems a bit better. Or is it, still? Apple continues its claims on data security, social engagement etc. trying to convince the public being the "good guys" while their actual behaviour (Apples aggressive lobbying against the right to repair, for example, but other things as well) proves otherwise.
I prefer macOS over Windows by far (for techie and non-techie reasons), and Microsoft is on my personal list of supervillains no. 2 behind Facebook (remember MS' gross market power abuse in the 90s and 2000s?)

But truth to be told: Tim Apple and his cohorts of high ranking execs are not on my personal list of people I trust either. Apple, once providing a glass of ice water in hell, clearly has joined the dark forces.

Linux, in particular of the KDE flavour, more and more looks like the upcoming system of choice. I do run some Linux boxes, but admittedly my main computers are still M/Hacs...
 
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Well, that is kind of different: Apple collects information you provide. Microsoft on the other hand automatically collects data and sends them home.
Nah, it is the same, the part "you provide" was only about other people that you happen to contact in any form. If you contacted them you provided Apple with information. Voila!
 
This guy really hit for me "All I want is it to keep up with me and my workflow" this is exactly why I'm on W10 now. Absolutely differing realms, however completely the same sentiment...

I do like the 2019 octa core MBP, equally I need more and it's got be a notebook period as it has to fly. Hopefully Apple is waking up to Pro needs and will offer a portable solution that's not crippled by form factor being designed to impress versus usability & performance.

Fundamentally if the notebook cant hold up, it's the wrong tool for the job, equally others do and can deliver with ease. I don't care make a new line, reinvent PowerBook call it what you want just deliver it's beyond old already and why many "Pro's" switching to W10...

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...and many people have been posting and storing their personal information on social media platforms like Facebook as well. Most people have been saying for years the exact same thing regarding data privacy on social media platforms that I have been reading in this thread about Windows 10... your data is "safe", you can "opt out" then it's not being shared, etc.. It's a type of group think that makes people feel more comfortable just because everyone else is using it. How has that worked out for them?

Enjoy your Windows 10.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-privacy-congress-idUSKCN1J11TY

And those people are making their own choices. Companies are what they are. If you feel that a company is violating you in some way the answer is simple. Don't use said company. But again it is not your place to crusade against others to try and get them to join your "holy war". Some people like Facebook and enjoy using it. By now most people have heard of the issues and it is their choice whether to keep using it. A friend of mine has eight siblings, Facebook allows her to keep in touch with all of them. She is careful about what she post, but she will continue to use it.

I enjoy Windows and I don't turn things off. I enjoy Cortana. Windows is not a concern for me. Google docs and cloud are a concern for me, not because of their tracking, but because their EULA states that anything stored on their servers, they consider to also be their property to use as they see fit. I give this information to others and then let them make their own choices as to whether they want to use Google's free office.

As for you and your posts, giving information and personal opinion is one thing. Going on a "crusade" against those that disagree is another.
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Well, that is kind of different: Apple collects information you provide. Microsoft on the other hand automatically collects data and sends them home. There is no way to determine what data Microsoft is collecting, one has no other choice but trust their words; according to the EULA they are entitled to collect anything they like. And yes, Microsoft has been caught in lying in that regard on various occasions.

As for me, I don't trust them one bit. I am by college education an information security expert (OSCP as well) and I have in previous years done some digging in Windows data collection. What I found did not exactly strengthen my faith in MS' trustworthyness.

As for Apple it seems a bit better. Or is it, still? Apple continues its claims on data security, social engagement etc. trying to convince the public being the "good guys" while their actual behaviour (Apples aggressive lobbying against the right to repair, for example, but other things as well) proves otherwise.
I prefer macOS over Windows by far (for techie and non-techie reasons), and Microsoft is on my personal list of supervillains no. 2 behind Facebook (remember MS' gross market power abuse in the 90s and 2000s?)

But truth to be told: Tim Apple and his cohorts of high ranking execs are not on my personal list of people I trust either. Apple, once providing a glass of ice water in hell, clearly has joined the dark forces.

Linux, in particular of the KDE flavor, more and more looks like the upcoming system of choice. I do run some Linux boxes, but admittedly my main computers are still M/Hacs...

Well for me trust doesn't come into it. At the end of the day I don't have anything to fear from Microsoft. I have more fear from online public data collecting. The stalker example I gave above is something that happened to a true life friend of mine. She moved to get away from an abusive situation. Gave no forwarding address and yet her stalker found her through an online service. Unlike the old days of phone books, she could not opt out to be unlisted. A friend of my husband's was laid off and was applying for a job, he was older and having issues with "ageism." It is actually illegal to ask someone's age in a hiring process, so he left it out (think he took off few years) he looks younger. Didn't matter the employer looked it up with one of those paid services. Airports and their scanners, business that want personal info such as date of birth, address, etc. These are the privacy issues that bother me, and have a direct impact on people lives... And you can't just "opt" out/
 
And those people are making their own choices. Companies are what they are. If you feel that a company is violating you in some way the answer is simple. Don't use said company. But again it is not your place to crusade against others to try and get them to join your "holy war". Some people like Facebook and enjoy using it. By now most people have heard of the issues and it is their choice whether to keep using it. A friend of mine has eight siblings, Facebook allows her to keep in touch with all of them. She is careful about what she post, but she will continue to use it.

I enjoy Windows and I don't turn things off. I enjoy Cortana. Windows is not a concern for me. Google docs and cloud are a concern for me, not because of their tracking, but because their EULA states that anything stored on their servers, they consider to also be their property to use as they see fit. I give this information to others and then let them make their own choices as to whether they want to use Google's free office.

As for you and your posts, giving information and personal opinion is one thing. Going on a "crusade" against those that disagree is another.
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Well for me trust doesn't come into it. At the end of the day I don't have anything to fear from Microsoft. I have more fear from online public data collecting. The stalker example I gave above is something that happened to a true life friend of mine. She moved to get away from an abusive situation. Gave no forwarding address and yet her stalker found her through an online service. Unlike the old days of phone books, she could not opt out to be unlisted. A friend of my husband's was laid off and was applying for a job, he was older and having issues with "ageism." It is actually illegal to ask someone's age in a hiring process, so he left it out (think he took off few years) he looks younger. Didn't matter the employer looked it up with one of those paid services. Airports and their scanners, business that want personal info such as date of birth, address, etc. These are the privacy issues that bother me, and have a direct impact on people lives... And you can't just "opt" out/

Very much a valid point that we are all opted in by default, one I strongly disagree with. For many they will not have the knowledge to know how to opt out. This is all major tech companies crime as they solely view the user as a product of profitability.

Personally I think different, and act on it as far as I can...

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At the end of the day I don't have anything to fear from Microsoft.

You certainly do!

Microsoft has a past of blatant market power abuse. Clearly they cannot be trusted or at least they have to earn trust back. Their lying about their data collection habits (they've been caught a couple of times in the recent past) is not encouraging though.

While they do not seem to sell any data at this point in time this does not necessarily have to be true in the future.
As said, they are by EULA entitled to harvest any data they like. And that IS scary, for they could sell the data or use to their liking otherwise whenever they feel like it. Why would they even collect? Suspicious, isn't it?

The only way to make sure nobody will and can use your personal data is to not giving it to anybody.
Its called private data for a reason.
 
You certainly do!

Microsoft has a past of blatant market power abuse. Clearly they cannot be trusted or at least they have to earn trust back. Their lying about their data collection habits (they've been caught a couple of times in the recent past) is not encouraging though.

While they do not seem to sell any data at this point in time this does not necessarily have to be true in the future.
As said, they are by EULA entitled to harvest any data they like. And that IS scary, for they could sell the data or use to their liking otherwise whenever they feel like it. Why would they even collect? Suspicious, isn't it?

The only way to make sure nobody will and can use your personal data is to not giving it to anybody.
Its called private data for a reason.

As my late father would say "better the Devil you know" Issue I have with Apple is the total lack of transparency. Personally I don't trust Apple any more than I trust Google, if anything Apple is "milking" the privacy aspect yet hoovering up endless data for it's own means...

Microsoft you can get into it and shut it down as needed, Apple you've just got to take it on faith. I for one like a little more control over the OS.

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You certainly do!

Microsoft has a past of blatant market power abuse. Clearly they cannot be trusted or at least they have to earn trust back. Their lying about their data collection habits (they've been caught a couple of times in the recent past) is not encouraging though.

While they do not seem to sell any data at this point in time this does not necessarily have to be true in the future.
As said, they are by EULA entitled to harvest any data they like. And that IS scary, for they could sell the data or use to their liking otherwise whenever they feel like it. Why would they even collect? Suspicious, isn't it?

The only way to make sure nobody will and can use your personal data is to not giving it to anybody.
Its called private data for a reason.


If only it was that simple. Again I have no issues with Microsoft, if you do, I respect your choice. Microsoft has said all along that they collect data on Windows. And reading their EULA they have stated what they use the data for. This is why I use OneDrive and not Google drive. But I cannot speak for you. If you don't trust them or fear a risk that is for you to decide. I like Microsoft and I like their products. I have been using them for over 30 years. You keep bringing up what you see as "potential" issues that concern you. My examples were of real life events that actually have taken place and will continue to do so.

We will just have to agree to disagree. You don't like Microsoft and don't "trust" them and prefer Linux. I like Microsoft and will continue to use them as my preferred system. As I said before I have more issues with government intrusion that can lead to actual harm, then tech companies selling products. Everyone has to make the choice for themselves.
 
....But again it is not your place to crusade against others to try and get them to join your "holy war"....

I enjoy Windows and I don't turn things off. I enjoy Cortana. Windows is not a concern for me....

As for you and your posts, giving information and personal opinion is one thing. Going on a "crusade" against those that disagree is another...
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It's not my place to try to (crusade) inform fellow computer users in this forum about data privacy threats....but it is your place to crusade against me posting about it? ... Umm Ok, o_O


You obviously have a completely different view of what a data privacy threat is than I do. Then go ahead and keep using Windows 10 with full telemetry turned on and best of luck to your family members who continue to use Facebook.
 
As my late father would say "better the Devil you know" Issue I have with Apple is the total lack of transparency. Personally I don't trust Apple any more than I trust Google, if anything Apple is "milking" the privacy aspect yet hoovering up endless data for it's own means...

Microsoft you can get into it and shut it down as needed, Apple you've just got to take it on faith. I for one like a little more control over the OS.

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This is the crux of the issue for me. If you take the view that they're all after your data (MS, Facebook, Google etc AND Apple) then this issue of control becomes fundamental.

I dont particularly trust MS, but they're explicit about what they collect and there's steps I can take with their OS to regain a degree of control over what data they collect.
WIth Apple, I'm faced with proprietary hardware, a locked down OS and a company that is inherently secretive, so I'm compelled to simply put my trust in them that they'll do right by me. And for a number of years they've done little to convince me that they have earned that trust: 2011 GPU issue, 2016 -19 keyboard issues, censoring news feeds & removing VPN & privacy apps from its store in China etc etc.
So I use Fedora!
 
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...WIth Apple, I'm faced with proprietary hardware, a locked down OS and a company that is inherently secretive, so I'm compelled to simply put my trust in them that they'll do right by me. And for a number of years they've done little to convince me that they have earned that trust, for me: 2011 GPU issue, 2016 -19 keyboard issues, censoring news feeds & removing VPN & privacy apps from its store in China etc etc.
So I use Fedora!
I agree about Apple. They have been painting themselves into a disturbingly dark corner over the last seven years... especially when it comes to their expensive proprietary hardware, the butterfly keyboard issues, the censoring of news and apps from it's store and partnering with China...handing over iCloud keys storage, etc.. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insight-idUSKCN1G8060

It's good to know you took action and are currently using Fedora! Nice! :D
 
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I see all the points mentioned. Its just, well, we know history, right? :)

I prefer nobody to have my data. Because trust can be broken. My judgement may be impaired. The only way to make sure my private things remain private is to keep them from prying eyes.

@Mendota: I agree, its a choice everyone has to make. However, I fail to see your point in trusting Microsoft, but not the government: because nothing keeps the government from forcing Microsoft to hand over data.
Question is not even if we trust a company. If data is out there, it can be harvested. By a government, hackers, spies, whatever. So if you fear governmental data abuse, you also should fear Microsoft (or Apple, or Google, or Facebook, for that matter).

I try to at least not make it easy for the data gatherers (and it can be fun to fool them at times :D)
 
This is the crux of the issue for me. If you take the view that they're all after your data (MS, Facebook, Google etc AND Apple) then this issue of control becomes fundamental.

I dont particularly trust MS, but they're explicit about what they collect and there's steps I can take with their OS to regain a degree of control over what data they collect.
WIth Apple, I'm faced with proprietary hardware, a locked down OS and a company that is inherently secretive, so I'm compelled to simply put my trust in them that they'll do right by me. And for a number of years they've done little to convince me that they have earned that trust, for me: 2011 GPU issue, 2016 -19 keyboard issues, censoring news feeds & removing VPN & privacy apps from its store in China etc etc.
So I use Fedora!

I'm pushing ever more to Linux, switching to more open source applications that support W10 & Linux to make the switch easier. KDE Plasma is the desktop environment of choice, yet still looking at the right distro. I far prefer to trust my own judgment than what's fed to me by a company that holds it's own interests first and foremost.

IMO privacy with Apple is just another sales and marketing strategy, little else. I may be wrong, equally as a customer I want proof, not just words. Fundamentally tech companies have it completely wrong as all should be opt in, not out. Our governments should be protecting against such predatory actions, then again bought and paid for...

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I'm pushing ever more to Linux, switching to more open source applications that support W10 & Linux to make the switch easier. KDE Plasma is the desktop environment of choice, yet still looking at the right distro.
KDE Neon had an issue with natural scrolling (not sure if its fixed lately). Other than that its pretty sweet, yep.

Best distro imo is SuSE; unfortunately its not well supported by some soft- or hardware vendors. E.g. the LIRQ infrared receiver driver (built for Ubuntu) proved to be a royal PITA, the Plex Media Server as well (again, not sure if fixed in the meantime)

Other than that, pretty sweet, in particular if someone has no interest in configuring everything on the command line. Hardware support is great (other than some external hardware as mentioned), as is configuration. Easiest SMB server or firewall configuration the Linux world has to offer. Pretty stable too.

I therefore use predominantly Ubuntu based distros (Neon, Kubuntu, vanilla Ubuntu on the Nvidia Jetson nano), otherwise SuSE would be my choice
 
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KDE Neon had an issue with natural scrolling (not sure if its fixed lately). Other than that its pretty sweet, yep.

Best distro imo is SuSE; unfortunately its not well supported by some soft- or hardware vendors. E.g. the LIRQ infrared receiver driver (built for Ubuntu) proved to be a royal PITA, the Plex Media Server as well (again, not sure if fixed in the meantime)

Other than that, pretty sweet, in particular if someone has no interest in configuring everything on the command line. Hardware support is great (other than some external hardware as mentioned), as is configuration. Easiest SMB server or firewall configuration the Linux world has to offer. Pretty stable too.

I therefore use predominantly Ubuntu based distros (Neon, Kubuntu, vanilla Ubuntu on the Nvidia Jetson nano), otherwise SuSE would be my choice

Neon, Kubuntu, Manjaro with Plasa or XFCE, still digging...

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KDE Neon had an issue with natural scrolling (not sure if its fixed lately). Other than that its pretty sweet, yep.

Best distro imo is SuSE; unfortunately its not well supported by some soft- or hardware vendors. E.g. the LIRQ infrared receiver driver (built for Ubuntu) proved to be a royal PITA, the Plex Media Server as well (again, not sure if fixed in the meantime)

Other than that, pretty sweet, in particular if someone has no interest in configuring everything on the command line. Hardware support is great (other than some external hardware as mentioned), as is configuration. Easiest SMB server or firewall configuration the Linux world has to offer. Pretty stable too.

I therefore use predominantly Ubuntu based distros (Neon, Kubuntu, vanilla Ubuntu on the Nvidia Jetson nano), otherwise SuSE would be my choice

I am enjoying KDE neon, and so far have not had any real issues. It brings me back to earlier times when I used KDE Mandrake. The Neon desktop if very well done and I got a great update to it the other day. Bought a Wacom tablet for it the other day, so I will be able to do some drawing with Krita, and check out some of the other apps. I am quite pleased to have an alternative to MacOS for my Unix - Linux side as I won't be buying any new Macs in the foreseeable future.
 
I am enjoying KDE neon, and so far have not had any real issues. It brings me back to earlier times when I used KDE Mandrake. The Neon desktop if very well done and I got a great update to it the other day. Bought a Wacom tablet for it the other day, so I will be able to do some drawing with Krita, and check out some of the other apps. I am quite pleased to have an alternative to MacOS for my Unix - Linux side as I won't be buying any new Macs in the foreseeable future.

Plasma is awesome, I prefer Mate for its simplicity, Ubuntu for it's reliability, Arch for the fun of it.
 
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