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Well, that is kind of different: Apple collects information you provide. Microsoft on the other hand automatically collects data and sends them home. There is no way to determine what data Microsoft is collecting, one has no other choice but trust their words; according to the EULA they are entitled to collect anything they like. And yes, Microsoft has been caught in lying in that regard on various occasions.

Are you referring to the diagnostic and telemetry data Microsoft collects? If so you actually can view it, but it is really very generic and boring.
 
Are you referring to the diagnostic and telemetry data Microsoft collects? If so you actually can view it, but it is really very generic and boring.
This. Also you can use third party tools to shut down virtually all of it. Again, also look into the difference between Home and Pro/Enterprise. You think large corporations and the governments of the world allow MS this kind of access for even telemetry data? (I work for one--they don't.)
 
This. Also you can use third party tools to shut down virtually all of it. Again, also look into the difference between Home and Pro/Enterprise. You think large corporations and the governments of the world allow MS this kind of access for even telemetry data? (I work for one--they don't.)
They don't care really over here in Europe. They are aware, but do little to nothing about it (There's been a controversial documentary over here, where government employees downplayed the issue, but admitted to let it happen.)
 
Will do. Wasn‘t aware you‘re interested hence I didn‘t. My apologies

Yes running KDE Neon on two of my systems. It has replaced Mint as my Linux distro of choice. It is harder to find information on it as opposed to some of the others.
 
They don't care really over here in Europe. They are aware, but do little to nothing about it (There's been a controversial documentary over here, where government employees downplayed the issue, but admitted to let it happen.)
Ha! Well I don't work for any of the EU governments, so touche... ;)
 
How you doing with iMessage, reaching for your phone? Also where do you have your iClouds? I love being able to access my passwords directly into iCloud on the Mac.
I've adjusted with life without imessage on my computer and I use chrome for my passwords so I'm out lodging out on anything.

To be sure imessage is a nice feature and I do miss it but in life there is give and take
 
How you doing with iMessage, reaching for your phone? Also where do you have your iClouds? I love being able to access my passwords directly into iCloud on the Mac.
while I store some passwords with Apple/iCloud, I personally use 1password, as I need my passwords everywhere. iCloud is way too limited regarding platforms and software
 
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I jumped ship, but I left windows and got my first MacBook Pro (2018) a few weeks ago and couldn't be more happier. I think with those of you who want to jump ship and go to windows are going to regret it, you have to be a freaken computer expert in order to use a windows pc, it's absolute garbage full of issues and problems, things just don't work for an average user like myself.
 
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while I store some passwords with Apple/iCloud, I personally use 1password, as I need my passwords everywhere. iCloud is way too limited regarding platforms and software

We use Password Depot at work but personal for me is just iCloud
 
I jumped ship, but I left windows and got my first MacBook Pro (2018) a few weeks ago and couldn't be more happier. I think with those of you who want to jump ship and go to windows are going to regret it, you have to be a freaken computer expert in order to use a windows pc, it's absolute garbage full of issues and problems, things just don't work for an average user like myself.

I am a computer expert and use a variety of operating systems. I just prefer macOS on the desktop and for mobility. That said, I have two trading applications that I run on my 2014 MacBook Pro and they are finicky on macOS. One of them runs via WINE and sometimes I have to Force Kill it because it hangs. The other one sometimes won't start up or I have to do a hard shutdown to kill it. These two big applications run better on Windows and they could use more RAM. They can also spin up the fan. As I've said before, I'm looking at the Lenovo P72. I want to find a forum where it's used to see what the problems are. It's an inch thick and can handle heavy CPU/GPU/RAM/SSD loads. So yeah, I think that we expect issues with Windows.

I'd still use my 2015 MacBook Pro for work, iCloud and iTunes.
 
I am a computer expert and use a variety of operating systems. I just prefer macOS on the desktop and for mobility. That said, I have two trading applications that I run on my 2014 MacBook Pro and they are finicky on macOS. One of them runs via WINE and sometimes I have to Force Kill it because it hangs. The other one sometimes won't start up or I have to do a hard shutdown to kill it. These two big applications run better on Windows and they could use more RAM. They can also spin up the fan. As I've said before, I'm looking at the Lenovo P72. I want to find a forum where it's used to see what the problems are. It's an inch thick and can handle heavy CPU/GPU/RAM/SSD loads. So yeah, I think that we expect issues with Windows.

I'd still use my 2015 MacBook Pro for work, iCloud and iTunes.

I'm staying with my 2017 MacBook Pro for the time being.

As much issues as I have I don't wanna leave the Mac environment behind for Windows..I got one of the new quad core Lenovo machines for work but only use it for a few apps on Windows (I connect via Remote Desktop and the laptop is under my desk always connected to a monitor for monitoring)
 
For many years I’ve experienced the benefits of using a MacBooks whose hardware and software are both designed by the same monolithic company. Now I’m experiencing some of the drawbacks. If I used a Dell laptop, and Dell suddenly decided to replace the escape key with an expensive toolbar I didn’t care about while radically redesigning their keyboard to have minimal travel while being failure prone, I could just go and get a windows laptop from one of the many other companies that produce them. But unless I’m willing to switch to a new operating system, as an Apple customer I’m stuck with putting up with their design decisions. This was fine, until they started getting creative, making decisions I really don’t care for.

I’m not saying I’m jumping ship. There are plenty of advantages of staying with a polished product, and I’m happy with my 2015 MacBook Pro for now. But I have at least learned to appreciate the advantages of not being locked in to the decisions of the design wizards of a single company, of having choice. I’m thinking of looking for more software that’s cross platform, so I won’t be locked in if I decide to jump ship, and I’m loading Linux onto a spare laptop to play with, to see what it’s like.
 
I decided to stick with my Windows desktop. At the end of the day it's a tool. When I'm in Chrome, Lightroom, Photoshop etc they work the same. I use office 365/SfB for work and those are better on Windows. The OS itself stays out the way pretty well. I like that I have a lot of hardware power, and if I decide I want more it's a simple case of buying that component and upgrading it.

The machine is currently under the desk but I think I may move it back to the left side of the desk.

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I've found myself on the precipice again. While away for a short break I relisted my desktop for sale and got some traction. It could be that by this evening a deposit will be paid I will be moving back to the loving embrace of Tim Cook.

I'm eyeing up a base spec 27 iMac with a 256 SSD. Adding in another 16GB myself and a Samsung T5 1TB external SSD.
 
I jumped ship, but I left windows and got my first MacBook Pro (2018) a few weeks ago and couldn't be more happier. I think with those of you who want to jump ship and go to windows are going to regret it, you have to be a freaken computer expert in order to use a windows pc, it's absolute garbage full of issues and problems, things just don't work for an average user like myself.

Windows is not garbage just because you had trouble using it. Millions of people every day use Windows and they are not computer experts. Having said that, this thread is more about the hardware issues and the inflated price of cost vs value. Products that need to have multiple repair programs in place do not inspire confidence. MacOS is fine, designed to be easy to use with limitation and a walled garden approach. You can get around most anything with the terminal, something I don't advise someone such as yourself to try.
 
I've found myself on the precipice again. While away for a short break I relisted my desktop for sale and got some traction. It could be that by this evening a deposit will be paid I will be moving back to the loving embrace of Tim Cook.

I'm eyeing up a base spec 27 iMac with a 256 SSD. Adding in another 16GB myself and a Samsung T5 1TB external SSD.
Wow that's way less machine than the one its replacing. What's the motivation for changing? Mac only apps? iOS development? Aesthetics? Genuine question (to me the rig yr selling is outstanding).
For me, it's the things an OS lets me do that's the main thing - the apps / tools it runs - the OS itself is not that interesting, really just a platform for my tools to run on. As long as it stays largely out of the way I'm happy. But of course, everyone's different...
 
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Wow that's way less machine than the one its replacing. What's the motivation for changing? Mac only apps? iOS development? Aesthetics? Genuine question (to me the rig yr selling is outstanding).
For me, it's the things an OS lets me do that's the main thing - the apps / tools it runs - the OS itself is not that interesting, really just a platform for my tools to run on. As long as it stays largely out of the way I'm happy. But of course, everyone's different...

I struggle to be complacent with my tech which convinces me that changing it will be the best thing ever. The guy who was lined up to buy it pulled out which was good because deep down I know it's a stupid move. This desktop is very good and does everything I want it to. The only thing it doesn't have is a lovely 5k retina screen and the aesthetics/tight integration.
 
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The thrill of the new? I hear you.
I 've gotta disagree about the aesthetics though - think it looks great! Of course there's nothing stopping you from putting some of that iMac money towards that ridiculously expensive LG 5k display for it...;)
 
I've found myself on the precipice again. While away for a short break I relisted my desktop for sale and got some traction. It could be that by this evening a deposit will be paid I will be moving back to the loving embrace of Tim Cook.

I'm eyeing up a base spec 27 iMac with a 256 SSD. Adding in another 16GB myself and a Samsung T5 1TB external SSD.

Yeah I also uso a Samsung T5 with my 2017 MBP TB
 
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