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Anyone else abandoning ship?

i can either purchase a dell xps 13 or macbook air 2017. the macbook air is beautiful and shiny, but the dell seems more solid as far as my 19 month old cat who plays with everything new and removable, she already knocked over the MBair which broke the w-o keys functions. i think mojave seems more comfortable for me and cleaner than windows 10 which need too much adjusting out of the box. i still have not decided 100% yet.
jeremiah256> the mac mini is a very handy,reliable computer i would get the 2012 model simply because the upgrade options are available on these models. and the aluminum looks great on black or dark wood surface!
 
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CE3 said:
Dell's XPS forums strike me as having the most unhappy customers. I considered the 9570 but stayed away after seeing all the complaints there. I guess unfortunately it's a bit of a lottery no matter what brand you choose.
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I think that was one reason why stayed away from the Dell, though I've had very positive experiences with them in the past. I found the Lenovo forums to be a bit more balanced, at least when I frequented them. I don't go there too much, other then research how the latest bios update

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I just want to point out that with the exception of Mac keyboard and flex cable issues, a lot of the random problems people have here.. issues like speakers crackling, coil whine, etc.. are the same problems many have with comparable Windows laptops by Lenovo, HP, and Dell as well.
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I don't think any PC is immune to problems and defects, but for me and I can only offer my personal opinion is that, is that I expected more from Apple partially because Apple has touted they're better then others. I do think the Macs are incredibly eye catching, and beautifully designed, but if they cannot handle the day to day demands, then its time to move on, at least that's my line of thinking.

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Is Intel the common denominator?
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I remember my old 15" apple Powerbook have horrible coil whine, so I don't think its an Intel thing. Perhaps with the increase in density of the circuity and chips, they're being more sensitive, I don't know.
 
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maflynn said:
I remember my old 15" apple Powerbook have horrible coil whine, so I don't think its an Intel thing. Perhaps with the increase in density of the circuity and chips, they're being more sensitive, I don't know.
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in 2007, the top iTunes song played on my powerbook 12 that year was "coil whine" followed by Rush "The Main Monkey Business"
 
booksbooks said:
The point is that the device makes compromises. The hinge is not as good and functional as a regular laptop hinge. It doesn't mean it can't be used or doesn't serve a purpose, I'm making the point that the device has design compromises because of its 2-in-1 nature and how they chose to design it.

Some quotes about the device:

"So long, wobbly fulcrum hinge. Hello, 15-inch beauty."
The original Surface was wobbly: the hinge combined with the heavy screen created this problem. The new SB2 is better. But it doesn't change the limits on the degrees of motion, which affects its usability, or that it creates a bulge that affects is portability and causes a large gap and extra thickness to the device.

"My only concern is the weight distribution. It feels like it can be easily tipped over, and this is probably why the hinge stops where it does; to prevent that."

"I do wish the screen would tilt farther back like a surface pro because it is not comfortable to type on a short desk while standing".

A much better design is by Lenovo on their Yoga line. That hinge solves the problems that the Surface Book hinge creates.
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It is only better if you don't want what the Surface Book does. I prefer having the computer in the top. And as for the Yoga, I hated the feel of the keyboard on the bottom. The point is there is no such thing as a one size fits all preference. People are different. And as the quotes above noted Microsoft worked to improve the hinge so what is the problem?
 
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Mendota said:
What are you talking about? There are no pop ups... Remember you are talking to people that actually use Windows.
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Ads literally everywhere is the first thing I notice every singe time when I have to work with Win10 for dev purposes... haven’t seen any pop ups but my menus are littered with them.
 
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It is only better if you don't want what the Surface Book does. I prefer having the computer in the top. And as for the Yoga, I hated the feel of the keyboard on the bottom. The point is there is no such thing as a one size fits all preference. People are different. And as the quotes above noted Microsoft worked to improve the hinge so what is the problem?
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Agreed. Just different ways to handle the same issues, make a single device usable as a table or laptop. We have both SurfaceBooks and Yogas. I can use either.
 
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I am sooooo tempted. Looked at Dell XPS Tower today, and I can get everything I want PLUS the ability to upgrade/repair myself for $1000 less. I'd have to repurchase some software and fonts. But otherwise I should be good.

If I won the lottery, I'd buy both a Dell tower and the mythical Mac Tower or an iMac Pro.
 
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booksbooks said:
I’ve used an X1 Carbon for 2 years everyday at work.
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Hey me too, same 2 years and same notebook. The X1 Carbon is a very good laptop compared to most - thin, light, and with a great keyboard. However it heats up fast and therefore the fan is usually audible, oftentimes very noisy. Also the track pad experience is so inferior to MBPs as to be comical. And I get really bothered by the display's aspect ratio of 16:9 -- I'll take Apple's 16:10 screens every day of the week. Most PC laptops have plenty of room to include a 16:10 display, but choose not to, which makes them sport a very large bottom bezel that is just wasted space.

Overall, I'm very glad my company purchased X1's, since my company uses Win10. But the experience falls significantly short of Mac laptops. And that's not even taking into consideration my subjective opinion that Win10 is ugly and annoying (however I'm paid to work in Win10 eight hours a day five days a week, so my loss, lol).
 
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leman said:
Ads literally everywhere is the first thing I notice every singe time when I have to work with Win10 for dev purposes... haven’t seen any pop ups but my menus are littered with them.
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If true, there is something definitely not right with that. Other than “Candy Crush” being pre-installed on my Surface Pro and easily uninstalled, I haven’t had a single ad, pop-up or annoyance. What are the Ads for?
 
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I'm hoping Apple brings nVidia support soon. I can't avoid it now. Watching GDC and Siggraph presentations almost all focusing on amazing nVidia tech is frustrating. nVidia's got a strangle hold on 3d work for good reason.

I'm going to have to build a PC tower. I just know it.

The new Mac Pro is going to be an expensive, depressing, over-engineered monstrosity.
 
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SDColorado said:
If true, there is something definitely not right with that. Other than “Candy Crush” being pre-installed on my Surface Pro and easily uninstalled, I haven’t had a single ad, pop-up or annoyance. What are the Ads for?
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The MS Surface line is provided with a 'signature' version of Windows by Microsoft. Indeed Candy Crush is the only 'bloatware' (or demo game if you will) present on a signature Windows installation.

Other OEMS (Dell, HP, Lenovo etc.) tend to put a lot of extra software on their laptops (including trial version of various software products). Probably they get paid for this form of 'advertisement'. This bloatware generates frequent popups/messages asking to buy or update these trial versions. The first thing I do when buying from such an OEM is a) uninstalling all these demo programs by hand or b) installing a fresh copy of Windows (using Windows settings) or downloaded from the Microsoft site. If I use b) then the current Windows installation is effectively replaced by a 'signature' installation.
 
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eltoslightfoot said:
Show us a screenshot.
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Mendota said:
I have no idea what you are talking about... You will have to try again. Your menus are littered with what?
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Wait what? How can you be using Windows but not be aware of the fact that’s it’s a huge advertising platform for MS? Why do you think there are hundreds of Web sites along the lines of “how to disable annnoying ads in Windows 10”?
 
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leman said:
Wait what? How can you be using Windows but not be aware of the fact that’s it’s a huge advertising platform for MS? Why do you think there are hundreds of Web sites along the lines of “how to disable annnoying ads in Windows 10”?
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AndyMacAndMic said:
The MS Surface line is provided with a 'signature' version of Windows by Microsoft. Indeed Candy Crush is the only 'bloatware' (or demo game if you will) present on a signature Windows installation.

Other OEMS (Dell, HP, Lenovo etc.) tend to put a lot of extra software on their laptops (including trial version of various software products). This bloatware offers frequent popups asking to buy or update these trial versions. The first thing I do when buying is a) uninstalling all these demo programs by hand or b) installing a fresh copy of Windows (using Windows settings) or downloaded from the Microsoft site.
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I have had to buy two W10 desktops over the last year, both of them consumer grade. The Asus and the Dell were both littered with bloatware. BUT, not once did we ever get pop-up ads, etc., NOT ONCE. @leman has some adware or malware installed on his computer.
Yes we uninstalled all the bloatware we didn't want. The Asus was much more littered than the Dell was and was harder to find it all but we did.
But to state this again, not once did we get pop-up ads urging my wife to buy the bloatware, etc.
 
leman said:
Wait what? How can you be using Windows but not be aware of the fact that’s it’s a huge advertising platform for MS? Why do you think there are hundreds of Web sites along the lines of “how to disable annnoying ads in Windows 10”?
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IMHO you are exaggerating greatly. It is very easy to disable these 'suggestions' in Windows settings and they are not nearly as intrusive as you make them seem to be. There are no irritating popups or messages in this respect (where previous posts where complaining about).
The Apple store in iOS or in MacOS is a huge advertisement platform as well. The pot calling the kettle black comes to mind here.
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Martyimac said:
I have had to buy two W10 desktops over the last year, both of them consumer grade. The Asus and the Dell were both littered with bloatware. BUT, not once did we ever get pop-up ads, etc., NOT ONCE.
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A Dell I bought around 4 years ago was installed with a trial version of McAfee Antivirus and that kept asking me (about once a day) if I wanted to upgrade to the 'pro' version. Until I uninstalled it of course.
Also a HP I had kept me asking about taking a subscription on a printer service (from HP itself) to automatically get printer cartridges send every month. No biggie also, I just uninstalled it.
You mileage can vary of course.
It does not keep me from using Windows at all. It is simply what happens if an OS can be installed by multiple OEMs on multiple platforms including multiple programs.

As I also said in a couple of posts ago: This has nothing to do with Windows itself but with OEMS installing irritating software on it.

What Leman is talking about is something completely different. Those are suggestions (as MS calls them) you see once in a while in a tile in the Windows menu about new software available in the MS store. This behavior can easily be switched off in the Windows settings.
 
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The Apple store in iOS or in MacOS is a huge advertisement platform as well. The pot calling the kettle black comes to mind here.
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I think there is a big difference between seeing ads in a dedicated app that serves as a store, and seeing (unsolicited) ads in your app menu, on your lock screen and in other places.

Not to mention that they are actually collecting information to serve you targeted ads, and they were (and probably still are) also playing with ideas to add ads to stock apps, e.g.: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...off-ads-in-windows-10-mail-app-after-outrage/
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Martyimac said:
BUT, not once did we ever get pop-up ads, etc., NOT ONCE. @leman has some adware or malware installed on his computer.
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You mean like these ones? https://nexusconsultancy.co.uk/blog/got-edge-faster-chrome-popup-whats-fastest-browser/

I have no idea whether MS still does popups like these — I don't use that OS too often, but I do notice that my start menu is littered with app ads.
 
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leman said:
I think there is a big difference between seeing ads in a dedicated app that serves as a store, and seeing (unsolicited) ads in your app menu, on your lock screen and in other places.

Not to mention that they are actually collecting information to serve you targeted ads, and they were (and probably still are) also playing with ideas to add ads to stock apps, e.g.: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...off-ads-in-windows-10-mail-app-after-outrage/
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You conveniently missed my quote that this behavior can easily be turned off in the settings.

Also you decided to add some extra goal posts about collecting information.

This gives me the impression that you are not here for an open minded constructive discussion, but simply to make your point whatever it takes. I am not playing your game. Have a nice day.
 
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Im not defying windows, i just made a point that the os seems annoying compared to Mojave.
sorry about the soulless remark
If the notifications stay on screen i would take a screen shot, but I'm at work where that would not be productive.
I use windows waaaaaaay too much now, sad panda!
 
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