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Anyone else think Snow Leopard... sucks?

Topper,

The bottom line is that software is not going to get automatically faster by using SL.If you want things to happen faster, either the hardware has to be made faster by upgrading it or the software has be upgraded with software that takes advantage of the new technologies in SL.

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Topper said:
I didn't say playback. I said video editing.
Since QuickTime X is 64-bit, QuickTime X Pro would be 64-bit and would be faster for video editing than the current QuickTime 7 Pro.

p.s. I've been working with Macs for almost 20 years.
My résumé is quite impressive.
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What apps are you using for video editing?

64-bit apps are not necessarily fast than 32-bit apps.....

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TheSpaz said:
It's better than Leopard.
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Man, some people's ideas of "better" just astound me sometimes. :confused:

I think I'll stick with Vanilla Leopard 10.5 until Apple removes the copious amounts of fail from SL. Since I rolled back, no issues.
 
RazHyena said:
Man, some people's ideas of "better" just astound me sometimes. :confused:

I think I'll stick with Vanilla Leopard 10.5 until Apple removes the copious amounts of fail from SL. Since I rolled back, no issues.
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It's working better for *ME*. I don't know why you have so many problems with it. What are your problems exactly? I find Snow Leopard to be an amazing upgrade from Leopard. I usually am not happy about OS upgrades but, I think Snow Leopard is the first OS upgrade that I've been very happy about.
 
TheSpaz said:
find Snow Leopard to be an amazing upgrade from Leopard.
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I agree with that. Quite amazing that Apple's QA is so weak. Quite amazing that they even consider it an actual OS release, and not just 10.5.9. But, as long as everyone knows to stay away from their first release, the only ones harmed are the willing guinea pigs.
 
apples credibility went down bc of SN..its BS unless they take care of all the proble

I switched to snow leopard in the early days..cause i though its a new innovation and all taht crap....but it has a lot of problems

My safari takes up nearly half a gb of my memory,...i kid u not.

I have one of those Aluminum macbooks that became antique and has 2 GB..when i open up the activity monitor i see, i have only 40 megabyte left. wtf is this? u might think that i have alot of pages open, but when i close all but to one yahoo page, it doesnt even correct itself. This is pure crap. It also hangs alot, get the busy ball...

After snow leopard, my office documents takes more time to open..why is that? I compared that with a mac at my schools library which runs leopard with 2.0 process vs mine which is 2.4, that **** opens it up noticable faster?
anybody knows what i need to do?
I feel like i need to buy 4 gigs of ram bc of this BS operating system, but i dont wana pay to much money, not more than 50 dollars...anybody knows what are the problems?
 
RazHyena said:
Man, some people's ideas of "better" just astound me sometimes. :confused:

I think I'll stick with Vanilla Leopard 10.5 until Apple removes the copious amounts of fail from SL. Since I rolled back, no issues.
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Yeah SL sucks bad, It has lowered down my productivity more than 30%. Suxposé if messed up, comp it slow, Safari and others are major memhogs now....

So I have been planning to do rollback too. How did you do your rollback?? totally fresh install or how?

I have about million programs that i would not like to install them again but if that is only case... oh hell,,, f00kya Apple :mad::mad:

I wonder if Apple is willing to pay reinstallation costs and other things because of rollbacks :D:D

Well it seems that all the things apple has been doing latelly are quite bad
First they changed pcmcias to express cards on mbp. ok that's acceptable
then they drop out fw800
and then placed usbs close to gether so you cannot use two of them anymore
new keybords is horrible on mbps, it just looks so cheapass keyboard
that glossy screen?!? how in earth you can use it?

I've been using macs now about 7 years and this latest SL upgrade was just more than enough. Hmm so what would be my next OS?? :cool:
 
It is impossible that SL, an excellent, very fast & stable OS X release that is so reliable to the vast majority of users would cause so many problems for a handful of users (new joiners) on this forum without the root cause being a either a freak, coincidental hardware failure or something you did wrong.

None of the "SL sucks" claims are substantiated nor reproducible on my Mac. Anyone can walk into an Apple store and see for themselves how fast & stable SL is out of the box. On my machine it's just as stable after (compiling &) installing a lot of third party software and without rebooting for several weeks.

It would not be too unlike blaming the firmware in your car after you hacked into it, while the same firmware is proven to be working quite well in the vast majority of identical cars.

The time it takes to whine about your SL problems, asking how to downgrade, etc. takes longer than a clean installation of SL, which I would highly recommend. Then be selective about the software you install (see my earlier post).
 
My understanding of Snow Leopard is that it's a refinement of Leopard - no real new features, no massive rewrites, just perfecting what was working very well in the first place.

So I'd love to know HOW snow leopard can be so bad and the developers could have got it so wrong.
 
My understanding of Snow Leopard is that it's a refinement of Leopard - no real new features, no massive rewrites, just perfecting what was working very well in the first place.
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Yes it's a refinement, there are new features, big new features, and they rewrote almost every OSX application in 64-bit code.
There was a lot of stuff that was changed to make SL as fast as it is.
So I'd love to know HOW snow leopard can be so bad and the developers could have got it so wrong.
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You can't successfully iron out every bug very well when upgrading SL (includes restoring from Time Machine, and migrating from an existing HD, as they have the same effect)
there are too many variables, it would end up taking an additional few months if not an entire year or more, Apple made sure that OSX runs fine on a clean install, that's good,
no matter what happens you should always be able to do a clean install and fix it if the upgrade doesn't go well. No new OS, is bug free, particularly when upgrading!

Both my upgrade and clean install worked fantastically.

Kind Regards
 
macrem said:
It is impossible that SL, an excellent, very fast & stable OS X release that is so reliable to the vast majority of users would cause so many problems for a handful of users (new joiners) on this forum without the root cause being a either a freak, coincidental hardware failure or something you did wrong.
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Far from impossible; in fact it's very likely.

Every OS is shipped with a plethora of unresolved issues - some found, but not fixed in time, some only found after release. Whether any given user will experience any given issue depends on their hardware configuration, previous OS version, install method, usage patterns & history, attached accessories and installed applications.

I'd be surprised if any recent, modern OS has ever been released which didn't cause major problems for some minority of the user base; not though any fault of the user. I'm not even sure how one could mess up the install, it's not as if Apple gives you a lot of options to choose from.
 
to upgrade or not

I have a first generation MBP (Core Duo, NOT Core 2 Duo) running Tiger.
I am still very happy with its stability and how it performs.

My question is would you guys recommend upgrading to SL? I ask because putting new software on old hardware isn't always a good idea. When I installed Tiger on my mother's old iMac (the dome shaped one that came with Leopard), it definately did not help it out.

What do you think ... would I notice better performance with SL, or would it just bog down my 3 yr old hardware?

Thanks.
 
Well, I made two leaps of faith. I not only upgraded to a brand new OS but to a new machine as well. I went from a MAC G5 to a MAC PRO Intel.
My MAC G5 and OS Tiger served me "nearly" flawlessly for 5 years. My MAC PRO with SL has done very well with one exception....( Mail 4.1 ).
I wont go into detail because there are already threads addressing the issues with it. The topic here is SL overall. I guess it's like anything that
can and will be created in this life eventually you will get a bad egg in the mix.

To write a program the size of an Operating system and expect it to be flawless is unreasonable to me. That's like saying a master Chef will never
in his lifetime burn a piece of toast. We should expect a Master Chef to be able to make every piece of toast perfect...Thus his title. Unfortunately...Man Is Fallible!
Why isn't every car built in the world today able to run forever and never break down? Gee, they have been building cars for generations now and they can't make
a car that doesn't break down?

Why should we expect programmers to be able to do what no other product manufactures can?

Automobiles like software are mass produced it goes through the creation process, assembly process then it's tested and released to the public.
Some perform flawlessly right off the dealer lot while others you hardly get down the block before the engine quits.

Some times it just comes down to the luck of the draw.

If there was only one company making hardware and software in the World there would still be the possabilites for problems.
No matter how intelegent a programer may be unless he/she is more then human, mistakes and oversites will happen.

SL compared to Tiger is incredible, the boot time is almost nill. When I push the power buttons on both my MACs at the same time
the MAC PRO is ready to go long before I get a Apple Logo on the G5. I love being able to access my Apps from the Dock Icon Folder...Saaaaaweeeeeet!

I guess I can't complain about something I don't have the ability to do myself! I'm not in the programmers chair day after day with dead lines to meet.
I'm a photographer and musician and I would be soooo rich if I could guarantee every photo I shot and every song I wrote was perfect.

SL isn't perfect but what OS is?


I understand peoples frustration when something doesn't work right. SL over all is working for me "BUT" the Mail program has some serious issues but I am
confident in Apple that they will address these issues. MAil might be working great for others but as I mentioned earlier..."It's The Luck Of The Draw".

I guess when I look at what the alternative is....VISTA....SL is light years ahead.
 
DigiGuy777 said:
To write a program the size of an Operating system and expect it to be flawless is unreasonable to me. That's like saying a master Chef will never
in his lifetime burn a piece of toast. We should expect a Master Chef to be able to make every piece of toast perfect...Thus his title. Unfortunately...Man Is Fallible!
Why isn't every car built in the world today able to run forever and never break down? Gee, they have been building cars for generations now and they can't make
a car that doesn't break down?
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Thank you, from a voice of reason! Just because someone doesn't have problems doesn't mean there aren't problems and lots of them! Apple notoriously has lots and lots of problems with new product launches, software and hardware. But when someone sits there next to the pink elephant in the room claiming there is no pink elephant in the room, it is mind bogglingly annoying. Yes, your **** stinks too apple!
 
LOL! Thank you captain obvious #1 & #2!

By the way, vehicle quality can vary within a batch, whereas software is completely identical. I get your point, but your analogy fails miserably.
 
Amdahl said:
I agree with that. Quite amazing that Apple's QA is so weak. Quite amazing that they even consider it an actual OS release, and not just 10.5.9. But, as long as everyone knows to stay away from their first release, the only ones harmed are the willing guinea pigs.
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ahhahaahahahahha EXACTLY.
 
roll back & save the $$

At least your office apps still open...mine are zapped-and no one know **** about the problem.
I should have kept my Microsoft philosophy and waited until the kiddo turned one...
Too late now!:eek:
 
Snow Leopard should run just fine on a clean install, if you upgrade it you take a risk.
I did both an upgrade and then a clean install and I am loving it, if you can't afford to take the risk then don't, but I'm lovin' it.

I am one of those guinea pigs that refuses to believe he is a guinea pig, because nothing ever goes wrong with his state of the art guinea pig wheel (SL OS), even upgrading it was so easy, I had to buy a clean new one!
 
I upgraded to SL and ran that way for ~1 month. I had no problems & was dazzled by the performance improvements. Never experienced such a clean .0 release on any OS! Just because I'm AR about my Mac & wanted to experience the clean install process on SL, when I had some free time I did a clean install. I cannot really notice a difference but knowing it's a clean install is a good feeling ;-)
 
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