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There's nothing in an Android phone that I pine for. Yes, fingerprint reader tech under the display is incredible (if it works as well as a physical sensor, but FaceID is superior tech and I wouldn't want to downgrade back to finger prints as that was always hit & miss on whether it worked or not. FaceID has been bullet proof for me and I hope to see FaceID expand to the Mac sooner rather than later.

I also have an Apple Watch so I need an iPhone, which I still consider the best phone on the market.

People forget how infrequently Android gets updated & how little support manufactures give to supporting software upgrades on their devices. I couldn't move to a software ecosystem that's a festering stinking turd.
 
Which breakthroughs of late are you referring to?

(not disagreeing, just asking which ones you are talking about)

I was referring to their beginnings, but more recent ones would be iWatch and AirPods. As an electronics and tech company, they know they can't be left behind in innovation because that will be the end of them.

It just seems to me that people nowadays expect a huge leap forward every year, which is just ridiculous. If they aren't able to come up with anything fairly new and innovative in the coming years then the market will speak for itself, but for now we can give them the benefit of the doubt and stop complaining that they aren't able to keep up when I'm sure they have their hands full of work.
 
I'm Apple through and through and am not interested in anything else. However, I do enjoy observing the Mr using his Note 5 with the pen. He literally flies thru his workflows on that old phone.

My only beef is the absence of Pencil on iPhones seeing what the Mr can do with his Note.

Mrs
 
Isn't it frankly embarrassing that Xiaomi, Huawei, Samsung, Google are all ahead in camera tech?
How are they ahead in camera tech?
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Its funny to see so many of us really only stay because of iOS and the Eco System. lol
Well yes, that’s exactly why I stay; I like the iPhones, iOS and the ecosystem.
 
yes without any doubt.
the launch of S10 and it's innovative features really impressed me and at the same time I feel so let down and depressed paying that much just 4 months ago for Xs Max.it really is an inferior device compared to the S10+.

I will always stay with Mac and iPad Pro is definitely the best tablet, but while I generally prefer iOS, the iPhone itself for me the weak link of Apple products.
in terms of hardware, innovation,technology and design and value,Samsung have beaten Apple.

I'm seriously thinking about switching now.
 
Isn't it frankly embarrassing that Xiaomi, Huawei, Samsung, Google are all ahead in camera tech?
There is, frankly, nothing embarrassing about the capability of the camera of my iPhone XS. Whatsoever.

You could hone in on any one specific aspect of a phone and say that, subjectively, another phone does that one aspect slightly better. But that’s not how I make my buying decisions. It’s the whole package that matters to me and the iPhone delivers that. There might be aspects of other phones that I’d like to have, but if the full package isn’t compelling, it’s not enough.

And since 2013, the iPhone has been the overall winner for me.
 
There are indeed interesting things going on in the Android phone world but most of it is poorly thought-out and gimmicky. Android itself remains the Wild West for privacy (yes, I am aware that some iOS apps are also super invasive but they are optional installs and not integrated into the OS). I am not a spec hound either. Things like overkill ppi are uninteresting and often detrimental. The whole folding phone thing is a prime example of poorly a considered gimmick; an interesting but bad idea.

Would like to see Apple get the price points under control.
 
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There is, frankly, nothing embarrassing about the capability of the camera of my iPhone XS. Whatsoever.

You could hone in on any one specific aspect of a phone and say that, subjectively, another phone does that one aspect slightly better. But that’s not how I make my buying decisions. It’s the whole package that matters to me and the iPhone delivers that. There might be aspects of other phones that I’d like to have, but if the full package isn’t compelling, it’s not enough.

And since 2013, the iPhone has been the overall winner for me.
In case you hadn't noticed, it was in response to a post saying 'there is nothing in Android phones i pine for'

BTW, permanent iphone user here since 3gs but not afraid to point out that they are taking it easy!
 
No, I tried the Galaxy S9+ last year from launch and then switched to the XS Max at launch. It was a fantastic phone, and I really appreciated the control Android and Samsung gave me. But there were a lot of annoyances that got me to go back to iPhone:
  • Battery life: Although the S9+ got amazing battery life according to battery tests, I had to limit features to try to get the battery life I wanted, and even then, it still was less than desired. I consistently go to bed with 50-70% left on my XS Max.
  • Software updates: Yeah, Samsung has gotten better about this, but I was months behind in security updates with an unlocked device. Some carriers/models would be getting the August update, while I was still on the June update. I had this feeling bothering me that the longer I kept the phone, the more outdated it would get. I was concerned about slow updates, not getting updates at all, phone slowing down, having basically the same phone in 2-3 years as I bought on day 1 when it comes to software, etc.
  • Privacy concerns: It's known that Android is much less private than iOS. It's owned by Google, who is a company that makes profit on data. Facebook set out to get more data specifically from Android phones. Google tracks your location even when you turn location tracking off. Every time I'd leave to go somewhere, Google Maps would send me a notification about the location I arrived at. It really bothered me.
  • Less polish: The phone just felt less polished than iOS. Don't get me wrong, it was pretty stable and smooth, but still just less than iOS.
  • I missed Apple's ecosystem: AirDrop, iMessage, Find My Friends, Continuity... it all sucked not having these, especially when my iPad Pro is my main computing device the majority of the time.
The Galaxy S10 looks beautiful, but I've already had my recent experience with Samsung and Android, and I'm done chasing new technology. At this point, I'm doing all the same things on my phones - basic communication, web browsing, social media, listening to music, etc. Is it really going to matter if I have a tiny bit less bezel at this point? No.

I even kinda regret buying the XS Max so soon when my iPhone 7+ could've sustained me fine to this point and probably a few more years. It seemed so important to get rid of bezels, get a new form factor, spec upgrades, etc., and I do appreciate them a lot now, but it's not as important to me anymore. I'm going to use this XS Max for 3 years bare minimum, but I'm aiming for 4-5. By then, there will be a lot of accumulated updates that will be super nice to upgrade to.
Bet you don't
 
One thing I can’t get past is how the Galaxy 10+ physically feels less premium than my Xs Max, maybe it’s due to Samsung using aluminum and Apple stainless steel?

This; to be honest the s10 felt cheap comparatively speaking to my Xs Max. I'm just as much into aesthics as I am the software on a phone. The Xs Max is the phone for me.

HOWEVER, it's high tide for basic features like AOD, SPLIT SCREEN, and PIP. I have my hopes high for iOS 13. After all, I never thought tap to wake, or third party keyboards would come to iPhone either.

Here's to hope!!!
 
I have an XS Max. It's by far the best phone I've ever used. I haven't seen any new innovation from anyone else that makes me want any other phone. Folding phones? Naw, I don't need a phone with moving parts. I had a flip phone. Apple is doing fine for me.
 
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Isn't it frankly embarrassing that Xiaomi, Huawei, Samsung, Google are all ahead in camera tech?

Although partially true, some of those manufactures you listed are limited in markets, where Apple is more ‘worldwide’ with their phones. The Advantage Apple has, is the branding behind the phone itself, where as Xiaomi And Hauwei are generally not known or supported through sales in certain parts of the world, especially in the U.S.
 
Isn't it frankly embarrassing that Xiaomi, Huawei, Samsung, Google are all ahead in camera tech?
The one who should be embarrassed is Samsung. I mean a small company like Xiaomi can out-innovate a chaebol conglomerate Samsung? And yes, as a company and resources, Samsung is the big elephant here, even eclipsing Apple. Samsung is so “innovative” that they are having a Chinese ODM to design and produce phones and slap Samsung label on them (starting with the Galaxy A6s). What a joke.
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Its funny to see so many of us really only stay because of iOS and the Eco System. lol
But that’s the USP right? If iPhones run Android, then what’s the point?

That’s why for my Android phones, I don’t feel the need of spending $1k or so. A $200 Xiaomi runs the same apps as a $1k Samsung, so I opted for the Xiaomi.
 
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Well I did think about it long and hard and it’s difficilt seeing other manufacturers innovate and Apple not really doing anything. The S10 is an amazing phone. I pre-ordered one and was ready to switch but I’ve decided not to as I know I’d only end up switching back. I had my sim in an S7 yesterday and lasted w few hours before I put it back in my Xs max.

It’s so annoying Apple are charging exorbitant prices and you get so little compared to other phones. However I don’t think switching is the answer. I’m also just a bit too lazy to start a fresh set up. I have a workflow with my iOS devices and can’t be bothered switching it all.
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The price of the S series hasn’t increased in the UK for the past 3 years. However despite the great hardware on the S10 + and Apple’s shortcomings I ended up cancelling my preorder today. I don’t think I can leave the ecosystem because I know I’d want to come back once the novelty of the S10 + wore off. I had my sim in a borrowed S7 yesterday and I was already bored of it after a few hours so I know I wouldn’t have lasted long with the S10+. I think the android ship might have sailed for me. This is exactly how I felt about the S7 edge, note 8 and S9 + after a few weeks. They went in a drawer and I carried on using my iPhone.

Well color me surprised... I really thought you were all set to go with the s10.

I understand though... switching can be daunting. It's not like in the days of iPhone 3G/3GS/4/4S and Galaxy S3,S4,S5.

Things are really mature right now, and I get it... I've often said I'd like to switch back and forth, but I just don't have that kinda time or energy or resources for that matter. However, I love technology so I watch on with baited breath like most here.

Oh well, we have June and September to look forward to. Welcome back... Even though you never left, lol!!!
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But apple hardware is not future proof. Xr/ Xs max 3/4gb ram and the miniscule 64gb storage will be dead in water in 2 years. So what's the point of long update support when the phone is as good as dead weight in 2 years+ time?

I have to disagree, as Apple is one of the few if not the only company that optimizes it's software to run on not just the latest, but also phones from the past.

Android manufactures hardly ever mention anything about their past devices. I've never felt abandoned having iPhone. A feeling that isn't often duplicated with Android.
 
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This; to be honest the s10 felt cheap comparatively speaking to my Xs Max. I'm just as much into aesthics as I am the software on a phone. The Xs Max is the phone for me.

HOWEVER, it's high tide for basic features like AOD, SPLIT SCREEN, and PIP. I have my hopes high for iOS 13. After all, I never thought tap to wake, or third party keyboards would come to iPhone either.

Here's to hope!!!
I would be happy with just split screen apps.
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Well color me surprised... I really thought you were all set to go with the s10.

I understand though... switching can be daunting. It's not like in the days of iPhone 3G/3GS/4/4S and Galaxy S3,S4,S5.

Things are really mature right now, and I get it... I've often said I'd like to switch back and forth, but I just don't have that kinda time or energy or resources for that matter. However, I love technology so I watch on with baited breath like most here.

Oh well, we have June and September to look forward to. Welcome back... Even though you never left, lol!!!
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I have to disagree, as Apple is one of the few if not the only company that optimizes it's software to run on not just the latest, but also phones from the past.

Android manufactures hardly ever mention anything about their past devices. I've never felt abandoned having iPhone. A feeling that isn't often duplicated with Android.
There were some things I wasn’t sure about like the camera and also relying on the ultrasonic FPS. As I was trying to set up the S7 I realised I just didn’t have the energy for it. I could recognise the same signs like when I had other Samsung phones in the past alongside my iPhone. The novelty of the new features would wear off and then I’d end up putting the phone in a drawer and not using it after a 2 weeks. So I didn’t want to go down the same route as I’d gone down for the last 3 years. I’m not really some who switches back and forth. The only reason I got into android in 2012 was because my iPhone 4 was stolen.

To be honest apart from Apple not proving some features like split screen I’m not dissatisfied with my phone as a whole. I just wish they would add certain features.
 
The one who should be embarrassed is Samsung. I mean a small company like Xiaomi can out-innovate a chaebol conglomerate Samsung?
This I completely agree with. Samsung have been caught with their pants down! But Samsung is not a one-trick-pony and their business model is different by the way of existing in all things electronic..

For Apple, iphone is everything and they have a need to lead!
 
I love how amazing the new s10+ looks, but would I jump ships? No.
Android OS is years away from matching what iOS achieved. You can’t beat the fluidity the Apple phones bring to the table.
You can have lots of power, bigger batteries, cooler cameras but at the end of the day will it match Apple product longetivity?

When Apple updates iOS and maybe gets rid of the notch and keep improving faceid I think we will be fine.

I am happy for Samsung, they are matching AirPods with their own EarPods which seem to be nicer and impressive.
The more competition Apple sees from Samsung the better things will be and it will force Apple to innovate more.

Right now nobody has anything on the Apple Watch series 4, it’s a thing of beauty.
 
Isn't it frankly embarrassing that Xiaomi, Huawei, Samsung, Google are all ahead in camera tech?

In what way? Better low light performance? I think only the Pixel 3 beats the iPhone so far. We shall presume the Galaxy S10 has a better camera, as it should being a newer phone, but lets wait and see the reviews.

My Xs takes excellent photos, so tell me what I'm missing? More to the point, tell me what is embarrassing?
 
Hmm, as an iPhone user primarily, I don't feel any pain at all. The "innovations" you see on other OEMs are mere skin deep. Sure, they look great on demo and paper, but in the end, most of them relies on the silicon from Qualcomm/Mediatek, and the OS support relies on Google. To date, Google stock camera app don't even support dual camera setup, so all those fancy multiple camera tricks rely on the OEMs themselves.

And it's funny how many people think of Samsung as innovative. Seriously, what's so innovative about the S10?
- Punch hole camera? That's just a notch moved to the side, and Huawei did it before Samsung.
- Wide angle camera? LG, Huawei, all did it already
- In-display fingerprint? Sure, Samsung uses ultrasonic version, but the concept is not new and the Chinese OEMs like Vivo already put the idea in their phones last year.
- and all those for what, $900? And what, max of 3 year software support? What's the point of such "great hardware" if the software is abandoned by year 2 or three at $900?

If people want to talk pressure for Apple, look at the Mi 9. SD855, 6GB RAM, triple camera with wide angle and telephoto, all for ~$500. Makes Samsung's "innovations" like gimmicks just to gauge their prices.

Agreed! It’s funny that all the Samsung fans like to throw around the iSheep term but in reality they’re more sheep then Apple users. Take the Fold for example I haven’t seen one person mention or criticize the horrible notch on that thing or the bezels after Samsung threw such shade at  for doing the notch. It’s hilarious to me how Samsung gets put on such a high pedestal.

I like how people say that if  put their logo on a brick and sold it people would buy it in droves well I think if Samsung released a folding turd that danced (whatever couldn’t think of something g clever haha) then Samsung fans would claim it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread.
 
This I completely agree with. Samsung have been caught with their pants down! But Samsung is not a one-trick-pony and their business model is different by the way of existing in all things electronic..

For Apple, iphone is everything and they have a need to lead!

Samsung has the advantage that they develop the core hardware components themselves. The innovations that comes with new display technology, new memory, CPU, battery and so on are first in Samsung phones and they can develop them for their needs.

Apple has improved in core hardware development (like the great Ax CPUs) but are still dependent heavily on others like Samsung (e.g. for the displays). So something like a foldable phone is difficult to develop for Apple if they are not able to develop the display technology themselves. Maybe they should think about about buying a company like Japan Display or even LG...They have the money to do that.
 
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