iPhone XS Max Anyone starting to feel the pain??

[futurist101]

I think this is fair. I actually see society (or at least I hope) moving away from large screened phones and going for a more minimalist smaller phone and potentially wearables. I expect AR glasses with very minimal, but meaningful interactions, with a focus on communication, health, and discovery/activities/travel. I think we are already seeing problems with young people and their phones.

That is the future I hope for and I believe Apple will be the company that makes it a reality. I activated cellular on my AW3 a few days ago and I'm loving it. Signal strength is not great but sufficient. I find that I'm quite content leaving my phone at home and walking out the door with just the AW3 and my AirPods. I certainly don't want bigger and more devices to carry around. Give me the smallest device to do what I need simply and reliably and I'll pay the premium. Also, I'm not interested in hopping from OS and devices to save some bucks or get the latest tech. If I think Apple is over charging for a next generation device I'll just hold on to the one I got until I feel the value is there to upgrade.

 

[DNichter]

That is the future I hope for and I believe Apple will be the company that makes it a reality. I activated cellular on my AW3 a few days ago and I'm loving it. Signal strength is not great but sufficient. I find that I'm quite content leaving my phone at home and walking out the door with just the AW3 and my AirPods. I certainly don't want bigger and more devices to carry around. Give me the smallest device to do what I need simply and reliably and I'll pay the premium. Also, I'm not interested in hopping from OS and devices to save some bucks or get the latest tech. If I think Apple is over charging for a next generation device I'll just hold on to the one I got until I feel the value is there to upgrade.

Yea I hope so too. I think Apple is a mindful company when it comes to stuff like that. That last thing we need as a society are bigger screens in front of us all the time. Foldable phones do just that.

 

[Bluesky2011]

I'm starting to feel the pain now, especially after seeing S10+ released.
I've been using iphone since iphone 3g and I upgrade almost every years, along with Macbook, AW, iPad. What keep me from using iPhone is Apple ecosystem. It's too hard to leave it now.
I hope this year Apple will do something special with iPhone to compete with Samsung and other brands.

 

[balaplus]

I hope this year Apple will do something special with iPhone to compete with Samsung and other brands.

You are getting a third camera and frosted glass casing apparently!

 

[44267547]

Yea I hope so too. I think Apple is a mindful company when it comes to stuff like that. That last thing we need as a society are bigger screens in front of us all the time. Foldable phones do just that.

I mentioned it before, it’s easy to dismiss new technology that we don’t have experience with yet, and how you don’t think it would be applicable to your daily life, because you just don’t see the general interest for something that you have not had ‘hands-on experience’ with yet. I remember when the Apple Watch launched in April 2015, the same type of attitude was given that ‘No one will need this’ or ‘No one asked for a smart watch’, and look how that has expanded to be a product that no one would have expected to grow the way it has with health features.

I think this technology needs time to mature, and demo what it’s capable of providing us with convenience with the ability to enlarge and truncate the size when on demand, which I think does have its appeal. All in due time if Apple shares it’s appreciation for a foldbale display in existence or not in the future.

 

[DNichter]

I mentioned it before, it’s easy to dismiss new technology that we don’t have experience with yet, and how you don’t think it would be applicable to your daily life, because you just don’t see the general interest for something that you have not had ‘hands-on experience’ with yet. I remember when the Apple Watch launched in April 2015, the same type of attitude was given that ‘No one will need this’ or ‘No one asked for a smart watch’, and look how that has expanded to be a product that no one would have expected to grow the way it has with health features.

I think this technology needs time to mature, and demo what it’s capable of providing us with convenience with the ability to enlarge and truncate the size when on demand, which I think does have its appeal. All in due time if Apple shares it’s appreciation for a foldbale display in existence or not in the future.

I would agree, I think the tech clearly needs more time to mature. I can see how the concept makes sense, but I am just not sure that the tech will reach a point to where there aren't obvious compromises. If it is going to take years of development, it might just make more sense to pivot to a less intrusive technology that may be a better benefit for society moving forward.

 

[AustinIllini]

You are getting a third camera and frosted glass casing apparently!

What would you like from Apple? Under the screen FP sensor? Seems a lot less necessary with FaceID (Samsung just does a goofy camera comparison)

 

[DNichter]

What would you like from Apple? Under the screen FP sensor? Seems a lot less necessary with FaceID (Samsung just does a goofy camera comparison)

Until the whole screen or the bottom third at least can act as a place to scan your fingerprint, Face ID will be a better solution. By the time you locate the current location in the S10 to place your finger, Face ID would have already unlocked your phone. You could probably argue that Face ID is better regardless due to no user input.

 

[AustinIllini]

Until the whole screen or the bottom third at least can act as a place to scan your fingerprint, Face ID will be a better solution. By the time you locate the current location in the S10 to place your finger, Face ID would have already unlocked your phone. You could probably argue that Face ID is better regardless due to no user input.

Honestly, a fast FaceID will be a better solution than an under the screen FP sensor. I don't personally believe we need both FaceID and TouchID on a device. From a security standpoint, you already have a unique face AND a unique fingerprint. Adding both does not necessarily add that much value.

By comparison, Samsung's face unlock is easily spoofed, so it needs a fingerprint scanner.

 

[balaplus]

What would you like from Apple? Under the screen FP sensor? Seems a lot less necessary with FaceID (Samsung just does a goofy camera comparison)

For 2019, I'd like better camera smarts ("night mode") with all connectivity (LTE / wi-fi ) problems completely sorted.
Oh and I most definitely want Apple to stop screwing markets outside US on price!
BTW, I think Face ID just works fine

 

[AustinIllini]

For 2019, I'd like better camera smarts ("night mode") with all connectivity (LTE / wi-fi ) problems completely sorted.
Oh and I most definitely want Apple to stop screwing markets outside US on price!
BTW, I think Face ID just works fine

Call screening in iOS 14 would be amazing

 

[TitanTiger]

As a iPhone owner/user, are any of you starting to feel the pain from sticking with Apple and watching especially this year so far, many innovative things coming to other phones and we are still using devices from a company who seems to have decided to stop innovating, and just release the same things year after year but make us pay more for it?

Dont get me wrong, I love Apple. I have the XS Max, Apple Watch Series 4, New iPad Pro, Airpods, Macbook Pro and 2 Apple TV boxes.

At what point do we as Apple Consumers stop allowing Apple Eco System which is what they depend on to keep us buying the devices that are falling more and more behind?

Just something I was thinking about today.

Seeing the new phones over the past few weeks and months that have been coming out, I feel we are getting kicked to the curb by Apple and EVEN IF the last 2 weeks of releases have kicked Apple in the a$$ to wake up, it will be at least 2 years before we see anything new and even then, it will be 2 years still behind Samsung and others.

No.

 

[bambooshots]

Nope.

Give me a highly polished product that is reliable and effortless to use instead of a gimmicky product that is difficult to use.

If you want flashy products with lots of gimmicks, there are other manufacturers out there that cater to your whims.
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Honestly, a fast FaceID will be a better solution than an under the screen FP sensor. I don't personally believe we need both FaceID and TouchID on a device. From a security standpoint, you already have a unique face AND a unique fingerprint. Adding both does not necessarily add that much value.

By comparison, Samsung's face unlock is easily spoofed, so it needs a fingerprint scanner.

While I do like FaceID more than TouchID, having another layer of biometric security that's near-transparent to use seems like a good idea. I wouldn't mind a slightly higher price of the device to make it so.

 

[Glideslope]

Yeah the S10 and S10 Plus to me made me really take a hard look at what we pay for. The S10 Plus I believe still comes in under the XS Max and will have new technology. I do like the under screen finger print scanner, I think I would like that a lot more than Face ID. I have times where Face ID does not always work, and of course you cant use it flat.

Other than not buying Netflix when they had the chance, going with Face ID instead of investing in ultrasonic under glass Touch ID has been Apple's biggest screw up. Face ID is just a half assed solution to a poorly implemented strategy to obtain as much revenue in as short a time as possible. Karma comes around eventually. Time for Tim to go.
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The reason i stay with Apple is IOS.
Apple hardware is starting to lag quite far behind the competition.

That is the ONLY reason for me as well. Todays price/value ratio in iPhone is nauseating for what we get.
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Honestly, a fast FaceID will be a better solution than an under the screen FP sensor. I don't personally believe we need both FaceID and TouchID on a device. From a security standpoint, you already have a unique face AND a unique fingerprint. Adding both does not necessarily add that much value.

By comparison, Samsung's face unlock is easily spoofed, so it needs a fingerprint scanner.

Samsungs Under Glass implementation is superior to Face ID in every way. Quicker, not having the PITA of swiping up after unlock. Works with wet fingers unlike the light sensor reader. Going from a dark display to your home screen in one operation is far more desirable. You can unlock at any angle, position, orientation, physical appearance. You retina's are not being bombarded by the IR Flood Illuminator while you use your device.

Apple will adopt this.

 

[Sparkymoto]

Oh man yes! I played with the Galaxy 10+ today and that screen... I felt very outdated when I had to go back to my XS Max.
One thing I can’t get past is how the Galaxy 10+ physically feels less premium than my Xs Max, maybe it’s due to Samsung using aluminum and Apple stainless steel?

Yes they use aluminum instead of stainless but I love how light it feels. After using xs max since launch, which feels like a tank, it's nice to go back to a lighter thinner phone in my pocket

 

[AustinIllini]

Samsungs Under Glass implementation is superior to Face ID in every way. Quicker, not having the PITA of swiping up after unlock. Works with wet fingers unlike the light sensor reader. Going from a dark display to your home screen in one operation is far more desirable. You can unlock at any angle, position, orientation, physical appearance. You retina's are not being bombarded by the IR Flood Illuminator while you use your device.

Apple will adopt this.

I disagree, but to each his own. FaceID lets me view the notifications I have without taking action on them and losing them. That's just me, though.

 

[I7guy]

I disagree, but to each his own. FaceID lets me view the notifications I have without taking action on them and losing them. That's just me, though.

This exactly. The screen lights up, you look at your screen and the notifications are expanded. My use case, to others it may not be a hill of beans.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

While I do like FaceID more than TouchID, having another layer of biometric security that's near-transparent to use seems like a good idea. I wouldn't mind a slightly higher price of the device to make it so.

FaceID is bulletproof for me. Given the option for an added fingerprint sensor at no cost, I'd still opt for FaceID alone.

With all the gripes about the current pricing structure, I can't imagine many would agree with you on that second point.

 

[dsr2]

As much as newer Android phones intrigue me, I always default back to Apple because of privacy and security, even with the higher Apple prices.

I would have to go into my Google activity and turn on every tracker to be able to use the virtual assistant on any given Android. I can use Siri with all of my Google activity turned off and I’m happy about that even with it’s shortcomings.

Although it’s not foolproof, I like the fact that all of my info stays on my phone with the exception of what I choose to send to iCloud and the fact that my apps only use my location when I use the app. With android you either have location turned on all the time or not at all.

I was recently watching a video on YouTube which demonstrated how much info was being sent into the virtual world and to third parties from an Android phone, even when the phone was not being used overnight. I don’t delude myself into thinking Apple is 100 percent secure, but based upon my own investigations, I simply can’t bring myself to go the Android route, no matter how attractive the hardware or prices have become.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

But apple hardware is not future proof. Xr/ Xs max 3/4gb ram and the miniscule 64gb storage will be dead in water in 2 years. So what's the point of long update support when the phone is as good as dead weight in 2 years+ time?

I think you need to remember you’re posting on a forum full of people who are clued up on this sort of thing and making false and misleading claims like that will just get you ridiculed. Nobody is claiming Apple or any manufacturer makes future proof devices, but they do offer longer support and that alone encourages people to stick with them. My old 6S is still going strong with the person I gave it to and it’s nearly 4 years old. You simply can’t lie like that here when we all have experience of Apple products.

 

[MarkX]

Other than not buying Netflix when they had the chance, going with Face ID instead of investing in ultrasonic under glass Touch ID has been Apple's biggest screw up. Face ID is just a half assed solution to a poorly implemented strategy to obtain as much revenue in as short a time as possible. Karma comes around eventually. Time for Tim to go.
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That is the ONLY reason for me as well. Todays price/value ratio in iPhone is nauseating for what we get.
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Samsungs Under Glass implementation is superior to Face ID in every way. Quicker, not having the PITA of swiping up after unlock. Works with wet fingers unlike the light sensor reader. Going from a dark display to your home screen in one operation is far more desirable. You can unlock at any angle, position, orientation, physical appearance. You retina's are not being bombarded by the IR Flood Illuminator while you use your device.

Apple will adopt this.

I highly doubt Apple will adopt the under screen fingerprint scanner in any shape or form. They made the point at the keynote when Face ID was introduced that the chances of it being fooled by someone else’s face was 1 in 1,000,000 vs 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID.

There’s no way that they will go back to a less secure method of biometric security, IMO.

 

[Motionblurrr]

I think you need to remember you’re posting on a forum full of people who are clued up on this sort of thing and making false and misleading claims like that will just get you ridiculed. Nobody is claiming Apple or any manufacturer makes future proof devices, but they do offer longer support and that alone encourages people to stick with them. My old 6S is still going strong with the person I gave it to and it’s nearly 4 years old. You simply can’t lie like that here when we all have experience of Apple products.

This lol. How do some people not know Macrumors isn't a tech video's Youtube comments section?

 

[Glideslope]

I disagree, but to each his own. FaceID lets me view the notifications I have without taking action on them and losing them. That's just me, though.

Fair enough.

 

[MarkX]

But apple hardware is not future proof. Xr/ Xs max 3/4gb ram and the miniscule 64gb storage will be dead in water in 2 years. So what's the point of long update support when the phone is as good as dead weight in 2 years+ time?

That’s really quite a ridiculous statement isn’t it!

The iPhone that has most market penetration is the iPhone 7, followed by the 7 plus, then it’s the 6s. Even to this day all those models are still selling - well.

My son is still using a 5s with 16gb and it’s serving his needs adequately.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I highly doubt Apple will adopt the under screen fingerprint scanner in any shape or form. They made the point at the keynote when Face ID was introduced that the chances of it being fooled by someone else’s face was 1 in 1,000,000 vs 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID.

There’s no way that they will go back to a less secure method of biometric security, IMO.

I can’t say which is the most secure but at the iPhone X keynote last year they made it quite clear that they felt that fingerprint scanning was inferior and that they were finished with it.
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That’s really quite a ridiculous statement isn’t it!

The iPhone that has most market penetration is the iPhone 7, followed by the 7 plus, then it’s the 6s. Even to this day all those models are still selling - well.

My son is still using a 5s with 16gb and it’s serving his needs adequately.

My mum bought her iPhone 4 in 2010 and it only stopped working in 2017. She used it as her daily driver for 7 years.