iPhone XS Max Anyone Try the Galaxy S10 and Return Back to an iPhone?

[FFR]

True, it won't always be that price range. Yes, the iPhone X could be worth like $640 in good condition on Swappa while a Note 8 is $380 in the same condition. I get that Samsung phones depreciate much faster than iPhones.

However, I think the 50% depreciation is more towards the trade in value side. It's not about whether if depreciation is sizable or not, it's about the % imo. If I could sell my phone for a 15% depreciation after 3 months vs trading in my phone for a 30% depreciation, that's a decent difference.
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No, the s9 took a huge resale hit last year after its launch, it had nothing to do with trade in value, but demand or lack their of.

Since Samsung has increased prices this year without an increase in demand (actually s10 sales looks to be more anemic when compared to last years s9), depreciation projections might actually be conservative.

 

[StellarVixen]

No, the s9 took a huge resale hit last year after its launch, it had nothing to do with trade in value, but demand or lack their of.

Since Samsung has increased prices this year without an increase in demand (actually s10 sales looks to be more anemic when compared to last years s9), depreciation projections might actually be conservative.

Where is your proof that demand is "anemic"? I have read that demand is healthy.

Look at the S10 thread on this forum. More than 100 pages. People are interested in this phone.

 

[nviz22]

No, the s9 took a huge resale hit last year after its launch, it had nothing to do with trade in value, but demand or lack their of.

Since Samsung has increased prices this year without an increase in demand (actually s10 sales looks to be more anemic when compared to last years s9), depreciation projections might actually be conservative.

I have heard contrary about the S10 line. Many major markets, such as China, saw substantial demand. If anything, I am surprised the prices are lower on Swappa due to backorders.

Even the S10 is almost $100 cheaper than it is online.

I think I might just sit down about using my XS Max until 5g becomes more mature and I can hop onto another Android device in the meantime.

 

[FFR]

Where is your proof that demand is "anemic"? I have read that demand is healthy.

Look at the S10 thread on this forum. More than 100 pages. People are interested in this phone.

Right... are those the same publications that said the same thing about the s9, everyone knows how that turned out.

Here you go:

Early Galaxy S10 sales said to be underwhelming, Samsung says otherwise
https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-sales-962917/

Galaxy S10 pre-order numbers on day one: is Samsung about to experience a slump in sales?

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-S10-sales-numbers-compared-galaxy-s19_id114271

Look at the S10 thread on this forum. More than 100 pages. People are interested in this phone.

Pretty much the same 8 posters posting about Samsung in every iPhone or apple threads.

Interested is one thing, actually buying one and keeping it is an entirely different matter.

 

[secretk]

Samsung might end up turning a new leaf now, so I am willing to give them time to see if they keep One UI consistent 6-12 months from now. Nothing is impervious to bugs. iOS 11 was a trashy mess relative to iOS 12, imo. iOS 13 could be much more feature fledged, so I expect Apple to be more polished going forward.

True. I have had only one Samsung phone and it was really back in the day. I hated TouchWiz. That thing sure started lagging.

Yes I have heard that iOS 11 was worse compared to iOS 12. I do hope that iOS 13 is better. All I am saying is that I would be OK if Apple delays the updates as long as they are more polished. In other words no matter how much I like new functionalities I prefer stability over them.

Don't get me wrong. There are a lot of things that I would like iOS to have (some of them are possible, some of them not because would go against iOS's philosophy) but I still value stability more.

 

[FFR]

I have heard contrary about the S10 line. Many major markets, such as China, saw substantial demand. If anything, I am surprised the prices are lower on Swappa due to backorders.

Can you quantify substantial demand, with a number? because no has yet posted any concrete numbers, except the articles I posted.

I wouldn’t bring up Samsung market share in China they are almost none existent over there.

SAMSUNG’S MARKET SHARE IN CHINESE SMARTPHONE MARKET FELL BELOW 1%
https://www.gizchina.com/2018/08/03/samsungs-market-share-in-chinese-smartphone-market-fell-below-1/

If anything, I am surprised the prices are lower on Swappa due to backorders.

Even the S10 is almost $100 cheaper than it is online.

It’s cheaper because there is a lack of demand.
It will keep getting cheaper if demand falls further.

I think I might just sit down about using my XS Max until 5g becomes more mature and I can hop onto another Android device in the meantime.

Enjoy whatever device you choose.

 

[MrGunnyPT]

Not from S10 but from Note 9.

I just bought an iPhone XS (had an X and broke down thankfully my wife had a Note 9 that work got to her) started using it in January but today I saw the iPhone XS at 975€ on Amazon and decided to buy it.

I just can't stand the Note 9 battery problems (standby and screen drain) alongside Bluetooth connections issues (I have the Exynos variant) so I don't know I just decided to buy the XS and then we'll see come September.

I really can't stand Android with all it's kink issues around 1PM I'm at 50% battery on the Note 9 with just 2h of SOT, plus phone is too big and heavy from me coming from the X

 

[nviz22]

Can you quantify substantial demand, with a number? because no has yet posted any concrete numbers, except the articles I posted.

I wouldn’t bring up Samsung market share in China they are almost none existent over there.

SAMSUNG’S MARKET SHARE IN CHINESE SMARTPHONE MARKET FELL BELOW 1%
https://www.gizchina.com/2018/08/03/samsungs-market-share-in-chinese-smartphone-market-fell-below-1/



It’s cheaper because there is a lack of demand.
It will keep getting cheaper if demand falls further.





Enjoy whatever device you choose.

Normally, when devices are on shortages, the prices go up because there is a bit more scarcity at the moment.

https://www.techradar.com/news/sams...laxy-s10-yielded-its-best-pre-order-sales-yet

That article speaks about sales a bit more, but not an exact figure that you might want to see.

Thanks, I really like both my S10e and iPhone XS Max, but the quirks on the Max are a bit easier to handle.

 

[Shanghaichica]

No, the s9 took a huge resale hit last year after its launch, it had nothing to do with trade in value, but demand or lack their of.

Since Samsung has increased prices this year without an increase in demand (actually s10 sales looks to be more anemic when compared to last years s9), depreciation projections might actually be conservative.

I read reports that the S10 was doing better than the S9 at launch.

https://news.samsung.com/uk/samsung...sung-galaxy-s10-line-up-in-the-united-kingdom


https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/s...laxy-s10-yielded-its-best-pre-order-sales-yet

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....preorder-sales-break-records-in-uk-and-us.htm

Seems to be doing better than the S9.

 

[nviz22]

True. I have had only one Samsung phone and it was really back in the day. I hated TouchWiz. That thing sure started lagging.

Yes I have heard that iOS 11 was worse compared to iOS 12. I do hope that iOS 13 is better. All I am saying is that I would be OK if Apple delays the updates as long as they are more polished. In other words no matter how much I like new functionalities I prefer stability over them.

Don't get me wrong. There are a lot of things that I would like iOS to have (some of them are possible, some of them not because would go against iOS's philosophy) but I still value stability more.

Stability is huge, especially when a MKBHD type of reviewer highlights how smooth the 2018 iPhones were w/ iOS 12.

However, I think Apple has to step it up with features and also balance stability in the mix. It's high time to get multitasking involved w/ the larger devices, 6S+ and newer since they have screens that can provide that versatility. Plus, any iPad w/ 2gb RAM or more has PiP and split-screen apps.

 

[secretk]

Stability is huge, especially when a MKBHD type of reviewer highlights how smooth the 2018 iPhones were w/ iOS 12.

Honestly in my case it might be the RAM but I would not call my iOS devices stable. I guess I am that type of user that requires more than 2 GB RAM even on iOS device. I manage to make both the iPhone and the iPad unstable (frozen screens, unresponsive apps, apps/tabs reloading).

However, I think Apple has to step it up with features and also balance stability in the mix. It's high time to get multitasking involved w/ the larger devices, 6S+ and newer since they have screens that can provide that versatility. Plus, any iPad w/ 2gb RAM or more has PiP and split-screen apps.

Oh I have a long list of things that I want to happen but I doubt that Apple will do them. Some of them are simple things like being able to switch off completely WIFI/Bluetooth from Control Center or being able to set up different Bedtime schedule for weekend. Others require more work. I actually dislike the Settings app setup. Too cluttered for me. I also dislike the fragmentation. Some apps have their own settings menus and then they have section in the Settings app. It's really a mess for me. And I want stable Files app.

 

[FFR]

Normally, when devices are on shortages, the prices go up because there is a bit more scarcity at the moment.

https://www.techradar.com/news/sams...laxy-s10-yielded-its-best-pre-order-sales-yet

That article speaks about sales a bit more, but not an exact figure that you might want to see.

Thanks, I really like both my S10e and iPhone XS Max, but the quirks on the Max are a bit easier to handle.

You can only call it a shortage if demand outstrips supply, which would raise prices.
This isn’t the case here.

There are no figures or numbers in your article.

They said the same thing about s9 presales breaking all records.

Galaxy S9 expected to be Samsung’s worst-selling Galaxy S phone since 2012 – BGR
https://bgr.com/2018/07/25/galaxy-note-9-release-date-accelerated-galaxy-s9-sales/


https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_profit_q2_2018_unimpressive_galaxy_s9_sales-news-32520.php

 

[FFR]

I read reports that the S10 was doing better than the S9 at launch.

https://news.samsung.com/uk/samsung...sung-galaxy-s10-line-up-in-the-united-kingdom


https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/s...laxy-s10-yielded-its-best-pre-order-sales-yet

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....preorder-sales-break-records-in-uk-and-us.htm

Seems to be doing better than the S9.

And I read the reports the the s9 presales were better than the s8. Turns out it wasn’t.

Have you even read the articles you posted?

The only thing it says is that “the s10 lineup has generated more presales than any other Samsung smartphone.

Hahaha.

Sure 3 > 1.

The same thing was parroted about the s9 last year, you weren’t very accurate then either.

The only concrete numbers we have is for Korea and it shows the the s10 firing worse the the s9 and the note 9, you can find the article in a previous post.

 

[nviz22]

Honestly in my case it might be the RAM but I would not call my iOS devices stable. I guess I am that type of user that requires more than 2 GB RAM even on iOS device. I manage to make both the iPhone and the iPad unstable (frozen screens, unresponsive apps, apps/tabs reloading).



Oh I have a long list of things that I want to happen but I doubt that Apple will do them. Some of them are simple things like being able to switch off completely WIFI/Bluetooth from Control Center or being able to set up different Bedtime schedule for weekend. Others require more work. I actually dislike the Settings app setup. Too cluttered for me. I also dislike the fragmentation. Some apps have their own settings menus and then they have section in the Settings app. It's really a mess for me. And I want stable Files app.

iOS 13 is the make/break for me with Apple. If they have an awesome update, then I will probably re-up with them on a 5g phone. I have zero interest in triple cameras and spending more $ just for a slightly faster FaceID.

A 5g iPhone is what would intrigue me. 2020 is expected for a redesign type of year, not saying I don't find the iPhone XS Max aesthetically pleasing. But with the major overhauls, there could be some sort of new upgrade and features. I think Apple is due for major changes and have to salvage their markets before it starts getting too much of a hole.

Chinese OEMs are just so far ahead of Apple now in many areas, that it is not even funny.

 

[Cladster]

It's pretty rare that anyone would go from a iPhone to a Samsung and stick it out permanently, or at least have both.

 

[44267547]

It's pretty rare that anyone would go from a iPhone to a Samsung and stick it out permanently, or at least have both.

It’s very rare, I don’t know anyone that just completely abandons iOS/Apple to migrate to android, not unless they don’t have any type of other products that invest them into Apples ecosystem,(Like the Apple Watch, AirPods, etc.) I think the most significant reason why someone would migrate from Apple to android, is if they found a _really_ good price on an android device that attracted them initially, but then they find out that android is not their choice for an operating system, which is why you will see the majority transcend back to the iPhone after an extended use with an android device. At least, that’s been my perception of others experiences.

 

[Cladster]

It’s very rare, I don’t know anyone that just completely abandons iOS/Apple to migrate to android, not unless they don’t have any type of other products that invest them into Apples ecosystem,(Like the Apple Watch, AirPods, etc.) I think the most significant reason why someone would migrate from Apple to android, is if they found a _really_ good price on an android device that attracted them initially, but then they find out that android is not their choice for an operating system, which is why you will see the majority transcend back to the iPhone after an extended use with an android device. At least, that’s been my perception of others experiences.

Yeah even most of those in the S10 thread/forum that bag apple/iPhone, still have some sort of apple products, iPad/macbook, ATV, or even a iPhone too.
They cant let go all together, as they know there is nothing as good overall.

 

[StellarVixen]

It’s very rare, I don’t know anyone that just completely abandons iOS/Apple to migrate to android, not unless they don’t have any type of other products that invest them into Apples ecosystem,(Like the Apple Watch, AirPods, etc.) I think the most significant reason why someone would migrate from Apple to android, is if they found a _really_ good price on an android device that attracted them initially, but then they find out that android is not their choice for an operating system, which is why you will see the majority transcend back to the iPhone after an extended use with an android device. At least, that’s been my perception of others experiences.

It’s because people get tempted to try all those things, like gorgeous screen, wide angle lens camera, bidirectional inductive charging, new fingerprint sensor tech...people would like to try that out.


Then when they get satiated with all of that, they are like: “ok, that’s all cool, I had enough of that, now give me back my iPhone”.

At least that’s how it was in my case. I had a lot of fun with Note8, and S Pen, for the first two months. Then, it started to get boring... I know there are many iPhone users who can relate to my story.

 

[44267547]

Yeah even most of those in the S10 thread/forum that bag apple/iPhone, still have some sort of apple products, iPad/macbook, ATV, or even a iPhone too.
They cant let go all together, as they know there is nothing as good overall.

It’s because people get tempted to try all those things, like gorgeous screen, wide angle lens camera, bidirectional inductive charging, new fingerprint sensor tech...people would like to try that out.


Then when they get satiated with all of that, they are like: “ok, that’s all cool, I had enough of that, now give me back my iPhone”.

You both make valid points. I think there’s a lot a general attraction to a new product when it releases, there’s a hype that follows and it’s happened to all of us when we have that ‘urge where we need to have it’, but that wears off over time, and you find out more specifically what you like about that device, but more importantly, if the software is a poor experience, then you don’t care about the hardware. That’s what I think makes iOS so unique, is even though it is simplistic and fluid, I can honestly say I’ve never been disappointed with the performance.

 

[I7guy]

iOS 13 is the make/break for me with Apple. If they have an awesome update, then I will probably re-up with them on a 5g phone. I have zero interest in triple cameras and spending more $ just for a slightly faster FaceID.

A 5g iPhone is what would intrigue me. 2020 is expected for a redesign type of year, not saying I don't find the iPhone XS Max aesthetically pleasing. But with the major overhauls, there could be some sort of new upgrade and features. I think Apple is due for major changes and have to salvage their markets before it starts getting too much of a hole.

Chinese OEMs are just so far ahead of Apple now in many areas, that it is not even funny.

The phones manufactured in China, imo, have been eating away at Samsung also. Most of those phones don't make it here to the states. But most of them provide 85%(estimated) of a Galaxy at 60%(estimated) of the price. If I were Samsung, I'd be more worried than Apple. I think, to many, ios and the "ecosystem" is the differentiating factor. Love it or leave it.

 

[nviz22]

The phones manufactured in China, imo, have been eating away at Samsung also. Most of those phones don't make it here to the states. But most of them provide 85%(estimated) of a Galaxy at 60%(estimated) of the price. If I were Samsung, I'd be more worried than Apple. I think, to many, ios and the "ecosystem" is the differentiating factor. Love it or leave it.

Apple is lazier though, so that's the main reason why I think Apple is more vulnerable than people expect. Samsung at least is pushing innovation a bit further in terms of hardware w/ their foldable display phone and their 5g product.
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Yeah even most of those in the S10 thread/forum that bag apple/iPhone, still have some sort of apple products, iPad/macbook, ATV, or even a iPhone too.
They cant let go all together, as they know there is nothing as good overall.

My MBP is my daily driver, I could sell it though. It's going on 4 years old and my Surface Go is capable of replacing it for major day to day affairs. But my MBP is my choice because it has an i5 instead of a Pentium Gold.

 

[Cladster]

Apple is lazier though, so that's the main reason why I think Apple is more vulnerable than people expect. Samsung at least is pushing innovation a bit further in terms of hardware w/ their foldable display phone and their 5g product.
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My MBP is my daily driver, I could sell it though. It's going on 4 years old and my Surface Go is capable of replacing it for major day to day affairs. But my MBP is my choice because it has an i5 instead of a Pentium Gold.

Be like buying a 8k tv now, will be years before you can use it fully

 

[Shanghaichica]

It’s very rare, I don’t know anyone that just completely abandons iOS/Apple to migrate to android, not unless they don’t have any type of other products that invest them into Apples ecosystem,(Like the Apple Watch, AirPods, etc.) I think the most significant reason why someone would migrate from Apple to android, is if they found a _really_ good price on an android device that attracted them initially, but then they find out that android is not their choice for an operating system, which is why you will see the majority transcend back to the iPhone after an extended use with an android device. At least, that’s been my perception of others experiences.

Even when I switched to android by accident in 2012 after my iPhone 4 was stolen I still had an Apple TV and during the 2.5 years I was with android I had my Apple TV and later on got an iPod touch, an iPad mini and the iPad Air 1.

I really like the S10 plus but ultimately I know I would want to go back to the iPhone because of the ecosystem so I just think it’s not worth the hassle of getting one. I wouldn’t even get one to use alongside my iPhone because I did that for the last 3 years and I ended up putting the Samsung phone in a drawer after a few weeks and then I sold it after a few months. The S10 is so nice though. Difficult to resist.

My Husband switched from the iPhone 4 to the S3 in 2012 and he’s been on Samsung phones ever since. I’ve tried to get him to switch back but he won’t lol
He doesn’t even understand the ecosystem. He’s always complaining about my devices being linked together. He moans when my iPad rings at the same time as my phone and I try to explain to him what the advantages of it are but he doesn’t agree.
[doublepost=1552723617][/doublepost][doublepost=155272334[QUOTE="Cladster, post: 27184413, member: 1165458"]It's pretty rare that anyone would go from a iPhone to a Samsung and stick it out permanently, or at least have both.[/QUOTE]
My husband switched from the iPhone 4 in 2012 to the S3 and he’s been with Samsung ever since. I’ve tried to persuade him to switch back to the iPhone but he won’t lol

 

[secretk]

My Husband switched from the iPhone 4 to the S3 in 2012 and he’s been on Samsung phones ever since. I’ve tried to get him to switch back but he won’t lol
He doesn’t even understand the ecosystem. He’s always complaining about my devices being linked together. He moans when my iPad rings at the same time as my phone and I try to explain to him what the advantages of it are but he doesn’t agree.

To be honest I am in the group of people like your husband. See for me this notion of the ecosystem is rather restricted. I want to have the freedom to choose whatever works the best for me. I do not want to be in a position where I know that a certain device does not offer me everything I need but I buy it because I don't want to go through the hassle to go out of some ecosystem by choosing something else.

There is no company that I am willing to trust blindly. I switch my phones every 2 and half years (roughly) and every time I evaluate all of my options and I want to be able to choose the best for me without having to do research on how to adapt to a new workflow.

I switch my laptop every 4 years roughly and I want to be able to do the same. The idea to choose laptop based on how it integrates with my phone does not sit well with me. And vice versa. Same for any other electronic device. In fact one of the biggest factors that I pay attention to is ability to integrate with different systems.

For example I know iMessage is a factor for a lot of people. I would never allow such thing to define the phone I am using. In fact the things are simple for me. If someone wants to contact me, they know my number. My phone is not to be used for chat and I rarely use it for that. I refuse to install numerous chat clients to cater to all of my friends' needs.

I choose phone based on factors like battery life, OS optimization and overall performance, ergonomics (should fit comfortably in my jeans pocket - I am 101 lbs so my pockets are rather small) and to a lesser extend camera. Battery life is the most important thing for me. I refuse to charge my phone every day. That's non negotiable for me. A phone should last at least 2 days for me.

 

[Suttree]

Toyed with the new Galaxy. Beyond the novelty of new tech, the software UI is underwhelming, whereas iOS is a lot more simple and powerful and overall more coherent. Hardware side, for one, the iPhone’s rounded geometry is a lot more pleasing to my eye and feels better in the hand. Software and hardware combined, the iPhone offers way more fast, simple productivity that the Galaxy, regardless of its curved super duper omega OLED screen, cannot match.