Just wanted to say that I went ahead and bought the wallpapers due to Christian handling this, in my honest opinion, responsibly and maturely. The dev has been nothing but transparent about the whole development process of Apollo, and even with dealing with Reddit's BS he still just states the facts, no whining no pity party. That's so rare these days. I wish things could have turned out different but anyways I greatly admire his handling of the situation.
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Apollo Now Offers Option to Decline Refund Ahead of June 30 Shutdown
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Shreddit will delete all of your comments and then your account. It does use the API to perform its magic, so you’ll need to run it before July 1.If by wealthy, you mean that Christian Selig makes more than I do as a teacher, then yeah, good for him. I don’t view it as false pretences though, in that he has made it pretty clear what I am getting myself into. It’s not that dissimilar from the Tweetbot incident and I am glad other developers are able to learn something from it on how to deal with the fallout when your app has to shutter.
Now to think if there is any other way I can ensure my comments get deleted permanently from Reddit and stay deleted.
Why does he need to have “earned it”? You are right in that nobody owes him a living, but you can’t seem to accept that it’s also up to the individual to decide whether they want to just let him keep the remainder of the unused subscription or not.
You need to have API, but you are never forced to expose this API.
Developer speaking for ops guys about the cost of infra? Nice one.
Reddit is greedy but also this is a business that wants to monetize its product? Nothing new. Of course, the purpose to have the high price for API access is to get rid of 3rd party apps or force them to have high subs to be not competitive to the official, free app + Reddit Premium. Twitter did the same
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If I were to guess, I’d say this person went into business (or school, etc.), failed, lost a ton of money, and resents Christian for having a loyal following who is willing to forego a refund.
Or they simply have zero empathy, and just have a miserable worldview.
Of the million reasons to delete your reddit account, this is just a small one. Why are people so upset?
That's the part I didn't get as well. Could have at least given it a whirl at making that business model work, but went straight to the shut down. There's an obvious loyal user base there that would be willing to pay. What that number is I don't know, but it's seemingly worth finding out rather than just mothballing the app (unless of course he was looking to move onto something else anyway and this is just the convenient reason for doing so).
CodeWarrior says “hello.”
Apple even warned its users to STOP using CodeWarrior and THEY WOULD BE VERY SORRY IF THEY CONTINUED USING CODEWARRIOR. Apple fundamentally broke CW with an OS release (10.5 maybe? Can’t remember the OS now) and CW folded almost instantly.
ApplicationEnhancer also says hello. Same story. APE folded with MacOS 10.7, almost instantly.
In both cases, and others, Apple simply said “no,” and the company instantly folded.
So, no, Apple isn’t as great and wonderful of a company as you’d think. You can disagree with this all you want but you can’t change history without time travel and you just can’t do that.
Wait... so an independent developer who added value to Reddit is greedy and should take some financial hit, otherwise it's "charity", but Reddit, the massive corporation that derives its entire value off user-submitted content, is a-okay?
As demonstrated by people talking about this, Reddit is fundamentally making using their site worse for a small segment of their users. It's not even a case of sherlocking a good idea; if Reddit had actually wanted to make more money and keep users happy they could have bought Apollo. But they'd rather lock down their API and make everyone's situations worse, from moderators to people with disabilities. They are in no way a poor defenseless company.
Some people need to really consider how much boot they're licking for giant corporations who squeezed this guy solely because they aren't making *enough* money (hint: there's no such thing as making enough money.) Corporations can be right or wrong, but they're never your friend and defending them is a suboptimal use of your time.
That would require foresight and valuing long-term revenue. Neither Twitter or Reddit have considered that, because they're run by idiots.
Hilarious that he had enough time to update his app to allow you to not receive a refund, but an update to a new price was just out of the question.
Good lord.
Good lord.
If I understand it, he sold for a $5 one time fee, unlimited access to his app. So he just assumed reddit api would be free for ever and that those paying only $5 wouldn’t cost him anything?
He could raise the price for the people paying monthly to easily cover their costs. But up to 50k lifetime power users would not generate him more money to cover new costs they incur.
He’s shutting down because he made a bad business decision. One that depends on free access to someone else’s service.
He could raise the price for the people paying monthly to easily cover their costs. But up to 50k lifetime power users would not generate him more money to cover new costs they incur.
He’s shutting down because he made a bad business decision. One that depends on free access to someone else’s service.
And that's why you don't start a business that's entirely dependent on another business.
It doesn't matter if his app was great, the point is, he charged people ahead of time for access to his app and when reddit made changes, he was forced to return money to people. He never had a plan for this. The dude has literally made millions with Apollo. The guy you were responding to is right.
Well, any blind user here so peeved? This sort of anger and disdain shouldn’t just be about form, or is it? The Reddit app functions as it should regardless of form, as do many many critical and useful apps on the Apple platform which don’t follow the iOS form. I see no one fighting this.
Clearly an iOS developer without morals.
I’m one too and even I’m not so ignorant I can’t see Reddit is still in the wrong here.
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This is a lie holy moly. How are people this misinformed ? Apps don’t make themselves.
Apollo still took A LOT of work to make, arguably more than the official Reddit app did considering how lacklustre it is.
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People aren't misinformed, they've just got a weird fetish for sticking up for mega-corps.
No it doesn't, just as many others also don't. "Function" is not just the bare functionality however badly implemented. Otherwise, a car that can't drive faster than walking speed would also "function".
The API is not intended for stuff like Apollo.
And yes, Apollo was leeching, making money of an other company while Reddit has to pay for all the server costs of 900.000 users everyday of which Reddit receives no dime, only a huge bill that Reddit has to pay for Apollo.
And it is no surprise that this same Apollo wants it’s users to pay his bills for a refund.
And Reddit makes money by leeching content from content creators without paying them a dime.
What's your point?
October 2017 is not 9 years. Also, obviously it didn't generate a lot of revenue in the first 1-2 years. Even after that it paid him well, but "more than you and I will make in a lifetime" is complete bull.
Decline the refund since it will be paid out of pocket...get out of here with that trash! As if they didn't make enough money off this to begin with. People are so pathetic these days. Today we see go fund me pages for everything. You know what the go fund me of the 80's and 90's was...it was getting a job or a side hustle if you already had a job. I'm all for sticking it to the man when the man deserves it, but this is outrageous.
Reddit makes money from advertisement, not the content creators. And Reddit doesn’t get advertisement income from Apollo.