Also, the CCFL's contain mercury, which is another advantage to using LED backlights.
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Also, the CCFL's contain mercury, which is another advantage to using LED backlights.
improved color space?
Does the new display, display more colors?
I'm so bummed that Dell has monitors out that display the full Adobe RGB color space, Apple should have been first with this!
Does the new display, display more colors?
I'm so bummed that Dell has monitors out that display the full Adobe RGB color space, Apple should have been first with this!
Does the new display, display more colors?
I'm so bummed that Dell has monitors out that display the full Adobe RGB color space, Apple should have been first with this!
The specs on Apple.com say 16.7M max. I'm confused about going beyond this, don't video cards and the OS only support 16.7M colors anyways? So if you get a display that can support more than this, doesn't your computer need to be able to?
Those comparing this to inferior, cheaper Dell/HP monitors: You might want to double check the specs.
First, those comparing it to cheap TN based panels: Forget it. This monitor is leagues above those. For an immediate comparison, go to an Apple Store and look at this LED monitor, then turn around and look at a 22" iMac screen (TN based). The difference in image quality is startling.
PVA panels, that's a much closer comparison. However, PVA panels (the Dell 24" is infamous for this) typically suffer from mild output lag, which makes them less desirable for gaming. An HP monitor I tried (LP2275W) had so much output lag that I noticed it even on basic mouse movements. I tested the Apple LED and noticed no output lag - in Quake 3, the ultimate litmus test.
Also, 14 ms response is fairly typical for an IPS panel. Comparing response times between panel types is tricky and not as clear-cut as you would think. That said, I noticed no ghosting or blurring in my gaming tests on the Apple LED.
I'll repeat what someone else said earlier: find another output lag free IPS monitor with LED backlighting for $900.
First, those comparing it to cheap TN based panels: Forget it. This monitor is leagues above those. For an immediate comparison, go to an Apple Store and look at this LED monitor, then turn around and look at a 22" iMac screen (TN based). The difference in image quality is startling.
PVA panels, that's a much closer comparison. However, PVA panels (the Dell 24" is infamous for this) typically suffer from mild output lag, which makes them less desirable for gaming. An HP monitor I tried (LP2275W) had so much output lag that I noticed it even on basic mouse movements. I tested the Apple LED and noticed no output lag - in Quake 3, the ultimate litmus test.
Also, 14 ms response is fairly typical for an IPS panel. Comparing response times between panel types is tricky and not as clear-cut as you would think. That said, I noticed no ghosting or blurring in my gaming tests on the Apple LED.
I'll repeat what someone else said earlier: find another output lag free IPS monitor with LED backlighting for $900.
They have in the past and they are doing it again now. Apple is completely ignoring standards, specs, and better hardware across the board, in every computer they sell including the iPhone.
It's not just about differences in hardware, it's about Apple telling people that the stuff they didn't put in isn't needed, is obsolete, doesn't have a market, or can be excluded because Jobs said so.
p.s. There is no 22" iMac, never was.... and the 20" iMac uses an PVA panel while the 24" uses an H-IPS. The new glossy ACD is at the very least on par with the iMac screens, it isn't worlds better.
Possibly so, I have to admit i was guessing and hoping you'd take the bait.
Besides the dimness of the panel I can't tell the difference between it and the new ACD. The 24" does have the H-IPS and it pains me to hear anyone say that color proofing on it is hard. I am still hoping that Apple at least used the same H-IPS in the 24" in the ACD, which would make it the cheapest H-IPS panel I have seen so far.
The quality is good, even if it were a PVA which many other pro display makers are adopting, but why did Apple have to make it glossy with that God awful glass front?
Ok I'm still confused by it all. I thought the system couldn't render more than 16.7 unique colors (256*256*256). I was hoping someone could explain the whole thing some more or provide some links.
I think the new monitor looks fantastic, but I'm not about to replace all my Apple kit just so I can use one!
I've used Apple Displays for the last 10 years, and had hoped the days of proprietary connections was behind us, but unfortunately it appears not (I don't really care if DisplayPort is a standard or not - mini display port is a proprietary connection and either version is something I can't use with my MBA or Mac Pro)
Hopefully they'll bring out an adapter (although it will have to be active and therefore expensive) or a card for the Mac Pro (unfortunately I've just bought an 8800GT card...), otherwise I'll be looking elsewhere for my next monitor. On that subject, can anyone recommend a 23-24" IPS display?
I've used Apple Displays for the last 10 years, and had hoped the days of proprietary connections was behind us, but unfortunately it appears not (I don't really care if DisplayPort is a standard or not - mini display port is a proprietary connection and either version is something I can't use with my MBA or Mac Pro)
Hopefully they'll bring out an adapter (although it will have to be active and therefore expensive) or a card for the Mac Pro (unfortunately I've just bought an 8800GT card...), otherwise I'll be looking elsewhere for my next monitor. On that subject, can anyone recommend a 23-24" IPS display?
NEC..... or Eizo.....
So far they are the only ones that are left in the IPS round up. LaCie's new displays are nice, but they don't have IPS, they use PVA. THeir older ones do have IPS though.
Thanks - Eizo monitors have always been a bit too pricey for my budget - one of the reasons I like Apple monitors is that they have always been very price competitive compared to other pro monitors, even if they're a little bit behind quality wise.
The NEC NECLCD2690WUXi looks promising (although it's 26" rather than 24")
Had it, returned it.
It was meant to sit next to a 24" iMac, and their display looked like a clown next to the quality of it. The viewing angles were so poor that it was impossible to adjust the colors and have them anywhere near matching.
Here you are with the iMac, which looks great from all angles at 5, 10 and 15', but that Dell was swirling colors every time you moved.
And I paid ~$650 or so I believe.
In addition, the font issue (in which nearly all of them were sent back for -- read the Dell forums) was unbearable.
So sure, you can get a great deal on 24" monitor for around $500.00, but as always you get what you pay for.
Besides I don't use Mac's to compromise on quality.
Also take a look at the Planar PX2611W or DoubleSight DS-265W. Both use the same 25.5" LG H-IPS panel as in the NEC 2690, which is the 25.5" version of the NEC 2490 (24").
I use two at work everyday for interactive work. Fonts are totally crisp, colors are great, I can see the thing all the way to 90° in any direction until the bezel of the monitor starts obscuring the the LCD.
Color is extremely complicated, you'll have to search yourself and benefit from that. But I will clarify the distinction.
"16.7 million" refers to maximum simultaneous colors. It says nothing about what shades those colors are. That is called gamut. A wide-gamut monitor can physically display different colors (deeper reds, for example) than a standard gamut display.
You might want to check out the tftcentral site at:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/
They have the latest monitor news and have good information regarding the different panel technology.
If you can live with a 20" the Dell UltraSharp 2007WFP used S-IPS panels in most, but not all, of their monitors so you need to check out the serial number as it reveals who manufactures your panel. The last character should be a letter:
"S" for Samsung (PVA in 2007 series).
"L" for LG (S-IPS in 2007 series).
The Dell 3007WFP also used an S-IPS panel but wont work with your laptops.
Does anybody know if I can use the old 30 inch monitor with the new 24 inch imac ???
im sick pissed that they bring it down to 24 inch
im sick pissed that they bring it down to 24 inch
There are other monitors with webcams. I'll give you that MagSafe is kind of a feature because it charges the laptop as well which is nifty but TBH i can do without that so its not a decision factor for me.
The only thing the display has going for it..to me is the LED backlight & non-TN panel, however, the price makes no sense given that you need to buy a new computer to use it.
For that price you would think Apple would include adapters for the video output ports they've been shipping for years in their laptops if only for this rev of the monitor to smooth transition until the entire product line is shipping with mini Display Ports...but Nooooo! that would make things too easy/helpful/appropriate for the consumer.
Hence the true price of this monitor is $900+New computer.
The way Apple sometimes abuses its customers is somewhat mind boggling.
Why would it *have* be active? DisplayPort is technically similar to HDMI—which is technically similar to DVI. Both can done with a pinout rearrangement. Apple already provides a passive adapter (DP to single link DVI) proving a single-link DVI -> mini displayPort could be done.
Or you could learn the difference between DisplayPort and DVI/HDMI, and the technical reasons why such adapters are impossible, which has been discussed to death elsewhere.
No, it must be that Apple "abuses" its customers... unreal.
This is nothing new...
The Price of the MacBookAir Superdrive was only $99.00
+New MacBook Air to use it!
...what are the technical reasons why adapters to mini Display Port can't be made?
and Apple does abuse its customers in my opinion...you can disagree with that