Apple Accuses Epic Games of Wanting a 'Free Ride'

[BaldiMac]

You say it's basically guaranteed to happen - so why hasn't it?

I didn’t say that. Why are you making stuff up?

I'm of the understanding that iOS has pretty robust security, even when users get apps from elsewhere. Everything still lives in a sandbox no matter where it comes from.

Except in the real world there are always security flaws to exploit. Hence the trillion dollar malware industry that some people have to pretend isn’t that big of a deal.

Though, I'm curious how other people's piracy affects you.

1) Increasing developer costs and decreased sales can lead to increased consumer costs or abandonment.
2) I work with multiple developers for whom it is a problem. Heck, at a few different points their support requests were flooded by android knockoffs despite not offering android versions.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

I didn’t say that. Why are you making stuff up?

You certainly implied it.

I only have the same choice until the first app leaves the App Store for an alternative one.

 

[BaldiMac]

You certainly implied it.

How about we stick with what I actually said. I certainly think it’s likely, but I never offered any guarantees.

As far as whether alt app stores on android have exclusives, of course they do. For example:

You won't find these 9 excellent apps anywhere on the Google Play Store

F-Droid is a free and open-source alternative app store for Android - here are my favorite apps that are exclusively available on the storefront.

www.pocket-lint.com

 

[maxoakland]

Pathetic of Apple. The iPhone was a success because of the Apps other developers made for their platform. Windows Phone died because it lacked apps

Apple should recognize that developers are in a symbiotic relationship with them. They both need each other. Apple's greedy, shortsighted, disrespectful treatment of devs could end with them losing out if there's ever a chance for developers to make better money somewhere else

No respect equals no loyalty

 

[turbineseaplane]

They both need each other. Apple's greedy, shortsighted, disrespectful treatment of devs could end with them losing out if there's ever a chance for developers to make better money somewhere else

No respect equals no loyalty

No doubt also part of why there is so much reticence to lean in on developing for VisionOS.

"Burn me once", and all that sort of thing...

(the total lack of a meaningfully large addressable market is of course the main reason to not develop for vOS)

 

[maxoakland]

CPU innovation seems to be doing pretty darn well no?

Yup, that's the ONLY area Apple maintains any competitive advantage. It looks bad.

 

[maxoakland]

No doubt also part of why there is so much reticence to lean in on developing for VisionOS.

"Burn me once", and all that sort of thing...

Exactly! I would absolutely not bring my app to vision OS out of spite. If Apple had a better relationship with devs, they'd be making apps for VisionOS to explore the new hardware, having fun. Just like the days when iOS was new and Apple had a decade of goodwill from developers

Tim Cook is shortsighted and lacks vision

 

[I7guy]

Pathetic of Apple. The iPhone was a success because of the Apps other developers made for their platform. Windows Phone died because it lacked apps

Apple should recognize that developers are in a symbiotic relationship with them. They both need each other. Apple's greedy, shortsighted, disrespectful treatment of devs could end with them losing out if there's ever a chance for developers to make better money somewhere else

No respect equals no loyalty

Think there is a critics bubble which ignores the real world. This is in my opinion. Most people are happy with the iPhone and Apple . Most devs are happy with Apple. And there is a symbiotic relationship. The App Store though belongs to Apple.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

As far as whether alt app stores on android have exclusives, of course they do. For example:

You won't find these 9 excellent apps anywhere on the Google Play Store

F-Droid is a free and open-source alternative app store for Android - here are my favorite apps that are exclusively available on the storefront.

www.pocket-lint.com

I'm glad you mentioned F-Droid! I think it's fantastic, it's a bastion of free and open-source software. Such a thing cannot exist for iPhone as things stand - and that's a detriment, not a benefit.

 

[BaldiMac]

I'm glad you mentioned F-Droid! I think it's fantastic, it's a bastion of free and open-source software. Such a thing cannot exist for iPhone as things stand - and that's a detriment, not a benefit.

Way to change the topic! I’m glad it exists for those that need it. Free and open-source software is an important and necessary bullwork to corporate and government overreach. We certainly agree here!

 

[Bigbuddy1]

Factually greedy is a weasel word term. And no Apple isn’t more greedy than Nintendo. If Nintendo weren’t greedy they would open up their platform voluntarily.

28% market share but makes the most profit in electronics unless that is incorrect
So is that not greed
Yet certain individuals claim epic are after a free ride

 

[I7guy]

28% market share but makes the most profit in electronics unless that is incorrect
So is that not greed

No it’s not.

Yet certain individuals claim epic are after a free ride

Epic is after a free ride. They want the govt to bust open Apple.

 

[bushman4]

Apple has this one right!!!!! Side loading will destroy what Apple spent billions on to keep sterile …… its APP store

 

[neomorpheus]

What people fail to fully understand is that the Apple App Store review process is primarily about reviewing compliance with Apple business terms and policies. It's not about checking for safety or security.

Translated to the loyalists "Meaning, it must benefits apple's bank account, not the customers".

Pathetic of Apple. The iPhone was a success because of the Apps other developers made for their platform. Windows Phone died because it lacked apps

Apple should recognize that developers are in a symbiotic relationship with them. They both need each other. Apple's greedy, shortsighted, disrespectful treatment of devs could end with them losing out if there's ever a chance for developers to make better money somewhere else

No respect equals no loyalty

If the iPhone was subsidized by the app store, I would say ok, but that's not the case.

Apple is a hardware company and selling more hardware would definitely help their bank account.

Tim Apple is hyper focused in abusing his customers base as much as he can, instead of expanding the userbase.

Right now, they could make a lot more money if both ios and iPhone were more open and Macs were easier to open up, upgrade and expand, in the form of eGPUs, for example.

 

[Bigbuddy1]

No it’s not.

Epic is after a free ride. They want the govt to bust open Apple.

If a company only has a 28% market share but make the most profit in the whole of tech then that makes them greedy & it also shows how you can’t compare an App Store on a console to that on iOS App Store because they are very different business models

How is epic after a free ride don’t you pay to get on iOS as a platform?

 

[turbineseaplane]

How is epic after a free ride don’t you pay to get on iOS as a platform?

The argument here is usually about having "access" to iOS customers.

Apple likes to treat this situation like they "own us all" simply because we bought iDevices.

It's completely inappropriately forcing themselves into the middle of transactions they have no right to be a part of.

 

[gavroche]

I want the choice to be able to load whatever i want in my devices.

Either stop your hypocrisy (its for your safety, not for our profits) censorship or allow proper sideloading.

Again, I dont understand apple's customers that insist in having LESS options, which conveniently works in favor of Apples coffers and worse, they insist in taking that option away from the ones that do want that option.

If I paid over 1 thousand dollar for a device, I should be able to do with it whatever I like, not what Tim Apple and Jobs ghoul spirit decides.

Edit thanks for confirming my point.

What you want already exists. It's called Android. Both platforms have advanced so far that there's very little difference in hardware anymore. The difference is software. They are very different experiences. What you are complaining that you want literally already exists with android right? So why take away the other platform just to make it like the one you could already be using.

 

[BaldiMac]

The argument here is usually about having "access" to iOS customers.

The argument is usually about charging for access to their platform. A completely normal business arrangement.

Apple likes to treat this situation like they "own us all" simply because we bought iDevices.

No, they like to charge for access to their platform like thousands of other businesses. You’re just using loaded language to describe a normal transaction.

It's completely inappropriately forcing themselves into the middle of transactions they have no right to be a part of.

Except they do have that right in the US. And almost all companies do in the EU. What countries are struggling with now is whether their market power justifies taking that right away.