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Apple Accuses Epic Games of Wanting a 'Free Ride'
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How about we stick with what I actually said. I certainly think it’s likely, but I never offered any guarantees.
As far as whether alt app stores on android have exclusives, of course they do. For example:
You won't find these 9 excellent apps anywhere on the Google Play Store
F-Droid is a free and open-source alternative app store for Android - here are my favorite apps that are exclusively available on the storefront.
www.pocket-lint.com
Pathetic of Apple. The iPhone was a success because of the Apps other developers made for their platform. Windows Phone died because it lacked apps
Apple should recognize that developers are in a symbiotic relationship with them. They both need each other. Apple's greedy, shortsighted, disrespectful treatment of devs could end with them losing out if there's ever a chance for developers to make better money somewhere else
No respect equals no loyalty
Apple should recognize that developers are in a symbiotic relationship with them. They both need each other. Apple's greedy, shortsighted, disrespectful treatment of devs could end with them losing out if there's ever a chance for developers to make better money somewhere else
No respect equals no loyalty
No doubt also part of why there is so much reticence to lean in on developing for VisionOS.
"Burn me once", and all that sort of thing...
(the total lack of a meaningfully large addressable market is of course the main reason to not develop for vOS)
Yup, that's the ONLY area Apple maintains any competitive advantage. It looks bad.
Exactly! I would absolutely not bring my app to vision OS out of spite. If Apple had a better relationship with devs, they'd be making apps for VisionOS to explore the new hardware, having fun. Just like the days when iOS was new and Apple had a decade of goodwill from developers
Tim Cook is shortsighted and lacks vision
Think there is a critics bubble which ignores the real world. This is in my opinion. Most people are happy with the iPhone and Apple . Most devs are happy with Apple. And there is a symbiotic relationship. The App Store though belongs to Apple.
As far as whether alt app stores on android have exclusives, of course they do. For example:
You won't find these 9 excellent apps anywhere on the Google Play Store
F-Droid is a free and open-source alternative app store for Android - here are my favorite apps that are exclusively available on the storefront.
I'm glad you mentioned F-Droid! I think it's fantastic, it's a bastion of free and open-source software. Such a thing cannot exist for iPhone as things stand - and that's a detriment, not a benefit.
Way to change the topic! I’m glad it exists for those that need it. Free and open-source software is an important and necessary bullwork to corporate and government overreach. We certainly agree here!
28% market share but makes the most profit in electronics unless that is incorrect
So is that not greed
Yet certain individuals claim epic are after a free ride
No it’s not.
Epic is after a free ride. They want the govt to bust open Apple.
Apple has this one right!!!!! Side loading will destroy what Apple spent billions on to keep sterile …… its APP store
Translated to the loyalists "Meaning, it must benefits apple's bank account, not the customers".
If the iPhone was subsidized by the app store, I would say ok, but that's not the case.
Apple is a hardware company and selling more hardware would definitely help their bank account.
Tim Apple is hyper focused in abusing his customers base as much as he can, instead of expanding the userbase.
Right now, they could make a lot more money if both ios and iPhone were more open and Macs were easier to open up, upgrade and expand, in the form of eGPUs, for example.
If a company only has a 28% market share but make the most profit in the whole of tech then that makes them greedy & it also shows how you can’t compare an App Store on a console to that on iOS App Store because they are very different business models
How is epic after a free ride don’t you pay to get on iOS as a platform?
The argument here is usually about having "access" to iOS customers.
Apple likes to treat this situation like they "own us all" simply because we bought iDevices.
It's completely inappropriately forcing themselves into the middle of transactions they have no right to be a part of.
What you want already exists. It's called Android. Both platforms have advanced so far that there's very little difference in hardware anymore. The difference is software. They are very different experiences. What you are complaining that you want literally already exists with android right? So why take away the other platform just to make it like the one you could already be using.
The argument is usually about charging for access to their platform. A completely normal business arrangement.
No, they like to charge for access to their platform like thousands of other businesses. You’re just using loaded language to describe a normal transaction.
Except they do have that right in the US. And almost all companies do in the EU. What countries are struggling with now is whether their market power justifies taking that right away.
What’s very odd about this commission saga is this on one hand apple compare themselves to consoles and when it’s gets pointed out that there is a flaw in that comparison then it’s oh but we mean like this not that
It’s the exact same tactics they use when courts or governments them
Exactly right ... the narratives and rationalizations get moved around to "favor Apple" no matter what.
No. It makes the company popular and profitable. Greed is a weasel word. Apple curated the “best” customers who willingly buy Apple products and services. This “greedy” thing is nonsense.
And still I’d like to see console makers who have a more locked down environment be mandated to allow side loading and alternative app stores.
Maybe not free as in free beer but near a $0 cost.
well yeah apple Makes the hardware and licenses the software.
It’s as far as Ferrari making decisions about its products.
What does this have to do with anything in this topic.
I would exit the ecosystem if it’s actually that bad. Oh wait? I can do that?
Yes.
The United States of America is not a communist state.
You’ve property rights and nobody should tell you what you do with your land, your house, your food, your things, your money, your company, your software ecosystem.
Epic should build their own software ecosystem if they want it differently.
Again this is whataboutery why compare apple to Nintendo and then when it’s pointed out for example the switch console was released in 2018 and replaced in 2025 with the switch 2
In that time apple released the XS and now on the 17 series yet according to certain apple fans oh that’s different then don’t compare yourself to console makers then
But there is a cost to use iOS so it’s not free and as a company apple only have themselves to blame in this situation