Apple Adds High-End 15" Retina MacBook Pro to List of Macs Supporting Dell's 5K Display

[furi0usbee]

If you don't like it, go back to thick and low-resolution PCs then. I certainly wouldn't want to, not after having actually used a 5K display.

No!

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Apple's strength is their software and hardware combo ecosystem. If you're dismissing all of their software you might as well not buy an Apple product because you are paying extra for the stuff you don't seem to like. You're also buying the thinnest and lightest hardware that include Yosemite which you also hate.

So what do you like and why do you buy any thing from Apple?

That's almost true. I buy things from Apple because since 2005 that's all I bought. The hardware still is the best. My major gripe is the software-- the iOS-ification of their desktop apps in particular.

My 2012 15" rMBP is the best computer I've ever owned. It will be out of warranty next month and I'll run it into the ground. I may not like some hardware decisions they have made over the years, like getting rid of the pulsing light on my old MBP, or ditching the magsafe, or getting rid of the Apple Logo backlight, etc. but they still make the best hardware. I don't have to agree with everything Apple does to like their stuff.

Their software is definitely their weakest link.

 

[canman4PM]

Maybe because you can use the Dell for 15 years, while the iMac will be outdated in 2 years.

Errrrr.....

See two posts below.

 

[furi0usbee]

I use two Mac's daily, and in my entire ownership since 2006 from 10.4 through 10.10, I've forced quit 3 times.

Maybe you should investigate what processes you are doing to figure out why the app is crashing. A clean install is not always the answer, especially if the data you are feeding the app is damaged or corrupted.

For Preview, it can be anything. I can take a screenshot and view the image. If I close out the image window (not quit the app), there is a chance above 25% that Preview will simply close (remove itself from the dock, not be accessible in the app switcher), but still be a running process. At that point, the only way to close it is to force quit or open a new Preview document, then quit as normal from the menu.

This happens only with Apple apps for me, Numbers, Pages, Preview are the worse offenders, but TextEdit same.

It's def an issue with the OS, or the OS *and* combination of my 2012 rMBP. When I do a clean install, it will happen with any new images created, nothing I have carried over from a previous clone/install.

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I've been running Yosemite since Day 1. I have no idea what you are talking about.

If I have some free time, I'll post a link with screencast so you can see.

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I absolutely love the Lightroom UI... what's wrong with it? Also, didn't Aperture get discontinued and replaced by the Photos app?

Aperture got discontinued, but it still works and Apple said it will keep it working for some time. I'm sure it will break some time, and hopefully when it does, what they have to offer actually does what Aperture does. The Photos app, with a bunch of white windows staring you in the face.... horrible. I tried it one day.

 

[canman4PM]

15 years? Tell me, how many people do you still see using LCD and CRT displays from 15 years ago with modern Macs today?

It will become outdated when OLED and 8K come along, you can be sure of that.

Ditto: and where does he get 2 years for obsolescence on the iMac? My 2007 is still going strong. In fact the last couple of updates to Yosemite have improved its performance to levels I haven't seen in years. I was going to upgrade to the next gen 5K iMac, but will now wait at least another year.

 

[furi0usbee]

It's not a "problem", it's a feature. Everybody wants to use their computer for different things, no need to diss people that want to use a 5k display.

Who's dissing? I said glad "I" don't have this problem. For me, 5k is insane. For you, maybe you like it. More power to you. I have no problem with you liking 5k. For ME, unless they want to include it at no charge in a display, they can keep it.

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Yea it sucks for the people that play games or do work on Apple's hardware, but for the crowd that probably makes up the majority of their marketshare now it makes sense to offer the same selling points as the iOS devices - Retina and thin everything. You don't need discrete graphics or hardware that doesn't burn you if all you do is open up Facebook and send a few e-mails.

As for Yosemite, the messiest OS I have ever used be it Linux/Windows/OS X, I'm hoping 10.11 turns out to be Snow Leopard 2.0 or at least Mountain Lion quality. Windows 10 is pretty nice in the demo I've used, so at least there's an alternative.

Best points to my posts so far. That is my fear, that Apple simply wants to target a new "casual" type user. This is the only thing I can think of since all of their pro/power apps have essentially been watered down iOS style. iOS is great for content consumption. But on my desktop I need content creation. Apple has turned a blind eye to me in that space.

I've been using Mac OS since 10.3.9. I've never had as much trouble as I do with Yosemite. I never had Wifi issues with Mavericks. Not one. With Yosemite, a nightmare. I heard the next update will most networking issues. I'm hoping.

Last Windows I used was 7 and that was very nice. Best Windows ever for me, and I've used WFW 3.11 and on. But I could probably never switch back to a PC. I just couldn't. Third party Mac apps would have to be so bad, I'd buy Apple hardware and run Windows on it. But that's a long time coming.

The day I have to jailbreak my Mac (and that day might come sooner than we think), I will be out.

 

[Rodel30]

In a few years, when the iMac is obsolete, the Dell 5K display will be able to migrate to a new computer. The iMac 5K display will not.

Ummm... Target Display Mode? You can definitely use an iMac as an external display for other macs. While it's not quite as flexible as having an external monitor, if somebody is spending the money to get a 5k iMac then they probably are the type of person that will use Macs for the foreseeable future. So it's effectively the same in the the future situation you describe.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

Target display mode doesn't work with the retina iMac.

 

[DudeDad]

I've tried LR. I just can't get over the ugly UI. I may have to go that route someday, but right now Aperture does exactly what I need it to do.

I don't disagree, but I'm used to it and it's what Aperture should have become. I thought Aperture did what I needed as well....very happy with LR. Sucks, but you will likely make the move at some point.

. . .DudeDad

 

[mdriftmeyer]

In a few years, when the iMac is obsolete, the Dell 5K display will be able to migrate to a new computer. The iMac 5K display will not.

I'll pass on the Dell and buy this @$699. If I need 5K instead of 4K the HP is 400 less than the Dell.

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/m...eg_r1002_usen_c-001_title_r0001#!tab=features

 

[manu chao]

In a few years, when the iMac is obsolete, the Dell 5K display will be able to migrate to a new computer. The iMac 5K display will not.

In a few years when the iMac is 'obsolete', you will still be able to sell it for about half of what it cost new.

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Can the 5k iMac be used as an external display? If Apple enables it to be used by this new Macbook as a monitor at 5k, I'd do that.

Yes, once it gets TB 3 and DP 1.3 (ie, not the current model but likely the next one, as can most iMacs from the last five years).

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Yeah, but how about support for 25K displays??

Or 17K watches?

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I'm a little confused because I thought thunderbolt/2 was supposed to have amazing throughput. Why can't you use just one cable? Where exactly is the bottleneck(s)?

Not quite, TB 2 is 20 Gbit/s, 5K (@60Hz) requires 22.18 Gbit/s (plus you have to subtract a bit of overhead from 20 Gbit/s figure).

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Why hasn't Apple made a 4K display then? Their current Macs seem to be able to support it. Is there some other technical/practical/financial reason against? Is it not high enough resolution to be considered Retina and therefore not worth the trouble?

It's not quite retina @ 27", it would be on a 22-24" monitor. And can easily believe that Apple simply doesn't want to create an external monitor that doesn't share the panel with an iMac, for the sake of simplicity and economies of scale.

 

[cfedu]

Ditto: and where does he get 2 years for obsolescence on the iMac? My 2007 is still going strong. In fact the last couple of updates to Yosemite have improved its performance to levels I haven't seen in years. I was going to upgrade to the next gen 5K iMac, but will now wait at least another year.

I have had my dell 24" monitor since 2006 and have used it with many computers and devices since that time. If you have an iMac and decide to switch to something else you will be out of luck with many apple products. The current thunderbolt display is not even compatible with the MB. The very limited connectivity options with iMac has been completely removed with the 5K iMac. No iMac or Mac will be obsolete in 2 years, but that beautiful 5K display will be stuck to that iMac forever, that is why some might value a separate dell 5K display. Personally I would wait for 5K dell with DP 1.3 as the dual cable setup will reduce future use of the dell.

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Ummm... Target Display Mode? You can definitely use an iMac as an external display for other macs. While it's not quite as flexible as having an external monitor, if somebody is spending the money to get a 5k iMac then they probably are the type of person that will use Macs for the foreseeable future. So it's effectively the same in the the future situation you describe.

No you can't

 

[unplugme71]

For Preview, it can be anything. I can take a screenshot and view the image. If I close out the image window (not quit the app), there is a chance above 25% that Preview will simply close (remove itself from the dock, not be accessible in the app switcher), but still be a running process. At that point, the only way to close it is to force quit or open a new Preview document, then quit as normal from the menu.

This happens only with Apple apps for me, Numbers, Pages, Preview are the worse offenders, but TextEdit same.

It's def an issue with the OS, or the OS *and* combination of my 2012 rMBP. When I do a clean install, it will happen with any new images created, nothing I have carried over from a previous clone/install.

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If I have some free time, I'll post a link with screencast so you can see.

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Aperture got discontinued, but it still works and Apple said it will keep it working for some time. I'm sure it will break some time, and hopefully when it does, what they have to offer actually does what Aperture does. The Photos app, with a bunch of white windows staring you in the face.... horrible. I tried it one day.

On a clean system, with no other apps installed, Preview crashes when viewing a screen shot image that was just taken?

 

[koruki]

Not sure why anyone would buy a Dell UP2715K when for $300 more you can get a whole 5k iMac.

Oh maybe cause you can use the Dell as a monitor. They disabled that feature in the 5k iMac which means you're tied to a low powered desktop, and since you can't carry your iMac with you, you still need a Macbook. I understand where you're coming from cause this dilemma makes me not buy either. I want a 5k screen but it costs nearly as much as the 5k iMac yet I want to use it for PC.

 

[excalibur313]

Has anyone looked at this monitor by HP?
http://www.amazon.com/HP-J3G14A8-DISPLAY-WIDESCREEN-DISPLAYPORT/dp/B00VO85RY6

Anyone know why it is so cheap? $1200 for a 5k?

 

[69650]

Still no sign of any upgraded Apple displays? Don't know what they're waiting for unless they're running down stocks before finally killing it off.

 

[intramind]

Dual 4K monitors @ 60Hz on 15" 2015 MPB ?

I just got the new 15" MBP. Apple's support site says it supports dual 4K, but doesn't say what refresh rate. Anyone tried this yet? Thanks

"Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 3840 by 2160 pixels on up to two external displays, both at millions of colors."

 

[ayzee]

Great news, I'm buying it.
Spending the money up front may be painful but this is definitely a future proof purchase, just like buying a rMBP.

Recently received my 2015 rMBP, and also purchased a thunderbolt display. Received the display today and set it up... I could really see the difference that it wasn't a "retina display". I was about to just put up with it, but for a slight increase of cost I can purchase a fully supported 5K monitor now. Very pleased, as will order the Dell 5K and return then apple Thunderbolt display.

 

[shurcooL]

Woohoo, this is great! Some progress on this front.

Looking forward to when a 5K external display can be driven by a MacBook Pro via a single Thunderbolt/DisplayPort 1.3 cable.

 

[Marx55]

Thunderbolt 3?

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Has anyone looked at this monitor by HP?
http://www.amazon.com/HP-J3G14A8-DISPLAY-WIDESCREEN-DISPLAYPORT/dp/B00VO85RY6

Anyone know why it is so cheap? $1200 for a 5k?

This is the one you want:

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/monitors/product-detail.html?oid=7130944#!tab=features

 

[Rocketman]

Apple announces super high end support while Google announces their ecosystem has been more commoditized than expected.

 

[Sonmi451]

The race for "thinner" and "higher resolution" is killing Apple's computers IMO. The point will be here soon where I have this thin piece of crap that can drive a 5k display with, but can't do much else due to the crippling of hardware/software and the lack of any usefulness.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. When I get a new iPhone, the first thing I did was put all Apple's apps in one folder and put them on page two. I then went and downloaded third party apps that were better and did what those Apple apps should have done.

Now, when I install Yosemite, I do the same thing. I don't use any Apple apps any longer, except really Aperture. Yosemite has to be the worse OS X version I've ever used. All I do all day it seems is force quit apps, and that's after a clean install.

No it isn't.

 

[richwoodrocket]

Can anyone really tell the difference between a 4k and 5k monitor? I know that I surely can't with my aging eyes. When does the PPI race become futile? Seems to me we are already there. Maybe I'm wrong?

The difference is like looking at an iPad 2 vs iPad Air 2 from 20 feet away.

 

[AlecZ]

I'm waiting for those external Thunderbolt full-sized GPUs before I even think of giving up having a desktop. These big monitors strain these laptops' mobile GPUs. Just think, you could plug your laptop into TB and suddenly have your entire power workstation there.

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Ditto: and where does he get 2 years for obsolescence on the iMac? My 2007 is still going strong. In fact the last couple of updates to Yosemite have improved its performance to levels I haven't seen in years. I was going to upgrade to the next gen 5K iMac, but will now wait at least another year.

Dude, every single new iMac anyone in our family has purchased (I count 7) has died within a few years. Usually catastrophic motherboard failures, though my mom's 2011 iMac had its hard drive die 3 times, and this time, it's out of warranty, and I don't want to risk replacing it myself. Plus I bet it's the SATA controller's fault anyway.

The iMac G3s and G4s my brother bought in garage sales or got for free are all fine. The new ones, starting with G5, have all been garbage. What's worse is that you can hardly service them yourself, so they end up being totaled if anything breaks, and you can hardly upgrade anything.

 

[Moshu]

My mid 2014 15" rMBP is working fine with the 4K display from the signature, but sometimes I get the feeling that the resolution is pushing its limits a bit.

It is true we're speaking about iris pro and not Nvidia or AMD, however, I would stay away for the moment from a display with even more pixels (supposing my mac could handle it ).

I think 5K is nice to have, but not-so-useful at the moment except for a very small percentage of users.
It will become mainstream though in the next years - but for now - I would not go for it.

my 2 cents...