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Apple Adds Java SE 6 to Leopard

/dev/toaster said:
Its Java ... so it doesn't :D
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Exactly, I don't even know why people are having this pissing contest now...if it's Java 5 or 6, nobody cares...Java applets and apps are close to useless in current personal computing scenarios, and slow as molasses in most configurations...and don't even tell me about alternative Java-based Office apps...;)
 
BRLawyer said:
Exactly, I don't even know why people are having this pissing contest now...if it's Java 5 or 6, nobody cares...Java applets and apps are close to useless in current personal computing scenarios
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True. On the other hand a lot of Java developers made the switch to OS X some time ago, and they certainly do care.

BRLawyer said:
, and slow as molasses in most configurations...and don't even tell me about alternative Java-based Office apps.
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Well, I recently implemented an algorithm in Ruby and ported it to Java afterwards. That gave me a ~250x performance boost. Java is actually quite efficient these days.
 
Eraserhead said:
Because some applications are version specific.

Apple is very Microsoftian on Java (well except for the backwards compatibility)
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LOL! Seriously, the changes between java 5 and 6 were not that drastic that there would be a need to have both on one machine.....

Cromulent said:
That's because they are all 32bit applications. The reason this requires a 64bit CPU is because it only includes the 64bit versions of the libraries.
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That makes absolutely NO SENSE! Java is platform independent the last time I checked. Something that is compiled on Windows for java 6 should work on a mac with the 64 bit build. The only limitation with using 64-bit java is that it will not work on a 32 bit browser (the same thing with 64-bit version on windows). What I do not get is that there is no real advantage of having java compiled for 64 bit. It would make more sense to of made it for 32 bit to allow all intel macs to take advantage of Java 6....
 
psychofreak said:
Until you get 64bit Java apps.
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There is no such thing as a 32-bit or 64-bit java app.

It's just the JVM that's 32 or 64 bits, there is no reason why a java app should not run on the 64bit JVM just because it's 64-bit.
 
Aaargh! said:
There is no such thing as a 32-bit or 64-bit java app.

It's just the JVM that's 32 or 64 bits, there is no reason why a java app should not run on the 64bit JVM just because it's 64-bit.
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Agreed. Java is platform independent, allowing a app made in windows for java 6 to work in OSX. The only limitation with the OSX version of Java 6 is that it is 64-bit. This limits it to being used with 64 bit browsers (I cannot think of any at the moment for the mac...).

macsmurf said:
I agree. I think it will difficult for Apple to be taken seriously in the Java world again without providing some sort of roadmap.
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It is lucky that Java isn't used widespread...oh wait a minute! Computer Science A and AB (AB is gone), are based on Java. (I wish they never switched from C++...)
 
so where can i download this? tried apple auto update nothing, and the link at 1st post seems broken
 
cloudnine said:
Stupid question, but how does this benefit the end user?
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Personally as end-user I do not care about Java.

But I know there are lots of fans of the language.

And most importantly, Apple notebooks are one of the favorite machines among developers. Most of cries for Java actually were coming from developers - not end-users. You can hardly code eye-candy apps - MacOS famous for - in Java.

But now using Apple machines as workstations for the developers again became possible.
 
Stella said:
At last!

Apple drag their heels so much over Java.

OSX would be worse off without Java.
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As a consumer level user I can't think of a single site that uses Java that I visit on a regular basis. Not my banking site, not my credit cards sites, no forums, not any of the social networking sites. The only site I get the Java coffee cup loading indication is on one old speed test site. And I sure as h*ll don't know of any that use Java 6.0. This sounds to me like another one of those Geek Squad things that only a few weirdos need for online games and such. Again, as a consumer level, home user I just don't see the need for Java on the OS X platform.

And of course we all know that Javascript and Java are two completely different animals and related in name only.:confused:
 
I have a Macbook pro SR model (2.4) shouldnt the updater be able to find this?
 
How do I get the nice ebay functions when I go to sell something? I thought it had something to do with Java, but I may be wrong. I have to list items on my windows work laptop in order to have the nice formatting. Anyone help on this?

I was hoping this would fix that, but not sure it will.
 
Cromulent said:
Then using your logic all 32bit apps should work correctly in 64bit Windows but we know that is not the case. There are changes that need to be made to some applications.
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Not necessarily...from the fact that Java is platform independent...there may be some minor changes needed in the interfaces of apps to work with Java 6 on the mac, but the apps should run fine. The only real problem is that Java 6 cannot be used with 32-bit browsers....for the obvious reasons.

Eraserhead said:
Well only if you have a 64 bit Intel Mac ;).
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Though there are unoffical builds of Java 6 that work with 32-bit only macs...SoyLatte for instance...
http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/
 
This seems quite a shoddy update for “the best Java delivery platform on the planet” (the words of Steve Jobs, not me).

Have I surmised the situation correctly:
[1] Intel only
[2] 64bit only
[3] Still need Java 5 to run all of your current Java applications.

It seems to me Apple gave up on Java a while ago and it will die a slow death on the platform for as long as they have control of the JVM.

Taking away any pro or anti Java arguments, it is still a mistake, here's why:
[1] Apple sells to education, many computer science courses teach Java.
[2] Apple sells to developers, many developers write Java.

I believe Apple will loose at least some hardware sales as a result of this. How much of an impact it will make is debatable. No doubt they will have already done the maths.

Apple's thought of the day appears to be wake up and smell the Cocoa.
 
compuguy1088 said:
Not necessarily...from the fact that Java is platform independent...there may be some minor changes needed in the interfaces of apps to work with Java 6 on the mac, but the apps should run fine. The only real problem is that Java 6 cannot be used with 32-bit browsers....for the obvious reasons.
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Irrelevant to the point made. Just because it is running on a virtual machine and not directly on the real machine does not remove the common problems that software faces when moving from a 32 to 64 bit implementation.
 
I need to have both Java 5 and Java 6 for projects I'm working on. One is distributed to customers running on AIX that does not have a Java 6 runtime, and another that uses features of Java 6 not available in Java 5. I'm happy that both are available now.
 
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