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Apple Again Bucks Trend With Sales Growth in Shrinking PC Market
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I think something that's hugely undersold recently is the extra security. Macs provide better security (no matter how you slice it) and with less nagging. This may not be a big deal to tech-savvy people who know how to protect themselves, but my mom getting a virus on her computer ranks up there with being audited by the IRS.
That kind of stress on a normal user will make them switch and never look back.
"switchers" ... plain and simple
Buyer satisfaction with other Apple products is clearly filtering down into Mac sales. This trend will only continue to strengthen.
I made the switch in 2009.
The race to the bottom in the PC world made it a fairly easy decision.
Also the fact that the web apps that are available now makes it a lot easier to make the software transition from PC to Mac. A lot of us had software that we didn't want to re-buy in Mac format so it perpetuated the cycle.
I know people in my limited sphere of influence are now switching to Macs because I can no longer provide any windows tech support
Sad part is, as adoption increases...so will viruses/malware/trojans/etc.
Best analogy Ive heard is:
Windows 7 is a house with bars on the windows, and industrial locks on the doors...in Baltimore.
OSX is a house with no locks, in the middle of nowhere.
Remember, Apple and Dell get their batteries from the same manufacturer.
Same manufacturer does not mean the same battery. Apple designed their battery from scratch, no other computer manufacturer uses the same battery as Apple. I'm floored at how fast it charges, how long it lasts, and how little charge its lost (its at 90% after 9 months and 172 cycles).
The days of $300 Windows PC's are over. People have more expectations for their PC purchases than just email and word documents. People are opting to buy better PCs but less frequently.
Apple now is an option for people who have abandoned the crappy cheap computers and the iOS devices make Apple PCs even more attractive. Especially with Dual Boot options.
I've noticed more Linux users on campus opting for Apple PCs too. The people prefer Linux but like the ability to boot into Mac OS and get the benefits of that.
Apple now is an option for people who have abandoned the crappy cheap computers and the iOS devices make Apple PCs even more attractive. Especially with Dual Boot options.
I've noticed more Linux users on campus opting for Apple PCs too. The people prefer Linux but like the ability to boot into Mac OS and get the benefits of that.
The security-through-obscurity myth of OS X has long been debunked. Do you know what the most used computer OS in the world is? Linux. And there are very, very few viruses for linux.
The rampant virus ecosystem is a flaw in Windows, not an inherent fact of all operating systems.
Macs have a decent market share and a very large mindshare, but yet are still virus free (though there have been a couple trojans that fizzled out).
Viruses and malware target the more gullible of society. These people buy the cheap $300 or under computers. In a way the proliferation of viruses provides an excuse for poor computer performance that distracts from the poor performance of such low quality machines.
Thank you. I do get tired of the old lie that Macs are only secure because they've not been targeted yet.
The better analogy is Windows is a house made of flimsy material. They keep putting new locks on the doors, but crooks keep finding ways to push through the flimsy walls. Meanwhile Macs are in a nice neighborhood that's not as populated all right, but they have a great security system. Whenever anyone tries to invade, the owner is immediately notified. Dopey owners occasionally give permission to the invaders who pretend to be their Uncle Bob, but most owners get suspicious of invaders no matter who they claim to be.
No matter how popular Macs will get, they will NEVER have the security issue that Windows has. It's all a matter of the underlying architecture.
I like your 'games' point but not so sure about your other claims.
Did you mean that Windows buyers ARE more techno-savvy?
Or that Techno-Savvy types tend to avoid Macs?
Higher Prices for Better Machines.
Fantastic designs are not cheap. And Apple never skimps on Components
Quality Windows PCs cost about the Same as Macs but don't have iLife.
You think a Mom or kid wouldn't think the Mac OS is more attractive and easier to use?
You say "People telling them Macs are good" but are not clear why they do tell them that. Are Macs really good or is "All marketing"?
'Cool'
What does that mean? Is it just another word for 'Trendy'?
How did Macs get to be cool or trendy?
I always defined cool as 'being comfortable being yourself'
Finally, why does every switcher I meet have the same expression on their face. They all look relieved, like we have just pulled them into the life boat.
Cool may get you to buy something but it can't make you LOVE something.
So why do Mac users LOVE their machines so much?
If you own one I don't really have to explain.
I am surprised so many PCs are sold as it is. I wonder if people are happy with them or they just sit in a drawer or closet somewhere.
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From reading these and other forums for years we know how many Mac/Apple haters there are out there. Don't you think if they could create viruses etc. for Macs to make them look bad they would!!!???
Valid question. As your next statement points out, Apple is making inroads to China. They also shook up their management overseeing Japan a few years ago, and I believe that, along with the iOS halo effect, they are enjoying great growth there, too. Just look at the lines at Japanese store events.
Next stop is the world's second biggest market: India.
I'll call BS on that.
Apple does not design their own batteries. The casing perhaps, but not the core.
They spec them to a vendor. Then vendor does the actual design work.
As for performance, my Dell battery goes from 5% to full charge in a little over an hour.
Not bad in my book.
Hell the battery in my ThinkPad T410 goes from dead to full charge 30 to 45 minutes. And that thing is a monster.
The stock 6 cell last roughly 6 hours (kept it as a spare) and the 9 cell lasts over 11.
I beg to differ.
The Apple Tax has not gotten 'out of control'.
Apple has always maintained a 30% profit margin
Therefore the tax has ALWAYS been about 25%.
Well, if you are not getting hardware with that money what are you getting?
Does Mac OSX have no value to you?
Could it be worth more than Windows?
A lot more?
Frankly, shouldn't Toshiba/Dell/HP be charging A LOT MORE?
They wish.
I do keep seeing more and more Macs at coffee shops and the Apple Store seems to be more and more crowded all the time. I just hope Apple doesn't get too dominate, I don't want to have to use virus protection.
Macs aren't the answer to everyone's needs. Apple only have a touch over 4% of the worldwide market so do you think the other 96% of customers are sitting there head in hand wishing they had a Mac?
Apple have targeted the highly profitable premium home market and now dominate it. They aren't interested in the low end or business market because they don't need a huge market share to do well and are prepared to let their competitors fight amongst themselves for those lower margin sales.
Please. A Macbook costs about $1,000. There will be people who deliberately go for something cheaper, but the majority of people can _afford_ it. The "similarly performing system" to the mini tower is the iMac for $1199. And people who are poor but clever know that in the long term, quality is cheaper - usually the best thing to buy is the cheapest of the best, which would be for example the MacBook. It will still be running fine when you bought the second replacement for a cheaper laptop.
Which reminds me that when people look at these sales numbers, they look at unit sales. They don't look at revenue. But how are you going to compare, if customer A buys one MacBook and uses it for five years, while customer B buys a cheap laptop every two years? Makes me wonder what is the percentage of Macs in actual use.
iPod, iPhone and iPad _are_ brilliant advertising for the Mac, so they surely help selling Macs by making people look at them and considering them. Once people look at them, they are quite good at selling themselves. Obviously the haters always claim that people buying either Macs or iDevices are just gullible idiots and Apple's success is due to marketing alone. How stupid do they think people are?
Much more important and polite is to write in clear and error-free English. For example, "could of" instead of "could have" doesn't make any sense whatsoever to someone who doesn't have a lot of experience with the English language. To a native English reader, "there" and "they're" is basically the same word (most recognise if the wrong one is used but it doesn't stop them understanding); to a non-native reader, they are totally, completely different and using the wrong one turns a simple sentence into a puzzle.
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You haven't been to Baltimore lately!
Middle of Nowhere is just south of the interstate and is beautiful.
News flash, Macs are popular and plentiful and still have no Viruses.
Don't you worry about the future. It will get here and it will be fine.
Windows users, be afraid, be very afraid.
More Apple's Everywhere
I have noticed on our campus that the percentage of Apple computers is increasing. I also noticed a lot of Apple Computers when I traveled through O'Hare this week.
I suppose part of that is you can tell which computers are Apples from quite a distance, but not really tell the difference between HP and Dell.
I have noticed on our campus that the percentage of Apple computers is increasing. I also noticed a lot of Apple Computers when I traveled through O'Hare this week.
I suppose part of that is you can tell which computers are Apples from quite a distance, but not really tell the difference between HP and Dell.
We've been hearing this since 2002 or so.
Where's all the malware? It's 2011 and we have zero viruses and like 2 trojans. Adoption is increasing but malware is not.
BUT . . . I do like your analogy.
I can see Apple moving into third over the next two years.
Meanwhile Dell and HP are seeing increased market share with decreased units sold. So the market share for these two will likely increase at the expense of other companies doing more poorly. But there will likely be another Windows PC manufacturer that will pick up steam with a gimmicky ad campaign and bring them back to around 25% market share.
Regardless of OS, I'd hate to see the market share of any one company increase to 50% or have only three manufacturers dominate by a large margin.
What I'd like to see are statistics on resale value. How many used PCs by HP, Dell, Apple, etc. are resold and for what percentage of the original value? You see this with automobiles. New cars advertise resale value.
Meanwhile Dell and HP are seeing increased market share with decreased units sold. So the market share for these two will likely increase at the expense of other companies doing more poorly. But there will likely be another Windows PC manufacturer that will pick up steam with a gimmicky ad campaign and bring them back to around 25% market share.
Regardless of OS, I'd hate to see the market share of any one company increase to 50% or have only three manufacturers dominate by a large margin.
What I'd like to see are statistics on resale value. How many used PCs by HP, Dell, Apple, etc. are resold and for what percentage of the original value? You see this with automobiles. New cars advertise resale value.
I don't compare Apple to Dell or to HP. I just check if there is an apple on the cover or not.
The part I find hysterical is when on TV the news show puts tape on top of the Apple logo. Or in the print ad the apple logo is photoshopped off.
BTW one time the news show was talking about mobile phones and the 5 members of the news team all took out their phones to check them.
4 of the 5 were iPhone 4 and the fifth guy just looked embarrassed.