I've suggested that you don't understand the scientific method, and I've given you proof that you constantly post fallacious arguments.
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Yes, BUT... it's not hard to separate out that effect by looking at the numbers more closely. And, one thing is clear-- if the increase in detections is solely due to the increased number of tests of asymptomatic people, you should see the percentage of positive tests dropping, since random asymptomatic people should have a lower rate of positives than people with clear symptoms. But, in the states where the number of detections is rising, I do believe the percentage of test positives is also rising!
I do like death rate as the most accurate measure, but it's a 30 day lagging indicator, so it tells us little about the current wave of state re-openings.
Reminder that on May 22nd both the US CDC and Canadian equivelent pegged the infected fatality rate of COVID-19 AT .2% to .3%
This is 1,200% lower than the WHO 3.4% prediction in early March that was used to justify locking everything down.
Meanwhile CDC reverse guidance that it can easily spread on surfaces, while WHO walks back and claims it doesn’t spread easily for asymptomatics.
In 2018 the US had over 80,000 flue deaths with an IFR rate of .2% which is pretty close the the US a d Canadian IFR of .2% - .3% of COVID.
We basically destroyed the world's economy, where the impact has 250 Million, mostly people of color, at risk for starvation, for a virus that is similar to the bad 2018 flu season.
This is 1,200% lower than the WHO 3.4% prediction in early March that was used to justify locking everything down.
Meanwhile CDC reverse guidance that it can easily spread on surfaces, while WHO walks back and claims it doesn’t spread easily for asymptomatics.
In 2018 the US had over 80,000 flue deaths with an IFR rate of .2% which is pretty close the the US a d Canadian IFR of .2% - .3% of COVID.
We basically destroyed the world's economy, where the impact has 250 Million, mostly people of color, at risk for starvation, for a virus that is similar to the bad 2018 flu season.
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how about we close every business in the US and make everyone stay indoors for the next 2 years. Better safe than sorry right?
Completely ignoring the differences in propagation between viruses. Why did they say masks were useless, then masks were useful? Because they realized you need a significant level of inhaled viruses to get infection, larger than the threshold of detection.
It was also due to plain bad science:
Top journal retracts study claiming masks ineffective in preventing COVID-19 spread
Source One of the world’s leading medical journals has retracted a widely circulated paper published in April that concluded that “both surgical and cotton masks seem to be ineffective in preventin…
retractionwatch.com
If you've been following along, you'd know they killed tens of thousands of people by applying "prior research" on ventilators and SpO2 to COVID.
They've also stopped worldwide trials of drugs based on completely fabricated data.
Here's COVID science at work
Retracted coronavirus (COVID-19) papers
via CDC We’ve been tracking retractions of papers about COVID-19 as part of our database. Here’s a running list, which will be updated as needed. (For some context on these figures, see…
retractionwatch.com
For a large city, these numbers are not bad. Honestly the amount of cases is probably hundreds of times bigger than what is displayed here. The lack of tests is a disgrace. I don't know any individual that have been tested. Who knows, I might have had the virus.
First, there's too little data at this point (and some studies to the contrary) on whether our bodies build up immunity.
And second… if you're immune and still wearing a mask, what's the harm of that?
Not sure what is happening in your brain that makes you think linking to a page covered in recommendations to wear masks, distance, avoid going places, references to numerous articles, etc. will help you as you contradict their advice and desperately cling to variances that still don't undermine the medical consensus on the amount of behavioral action needed right now.
You are desperate to find imperfections in modeling and advice, when the modeling and advice you are posting still supports lockdowns, masks, distance, and emphasis on the incredible infection rates this has had.
Imagine thinking 120,000+ deaths since January WITH proven drops in infection for zones and work industries that were closed for lockdown, is just something you would sound credible dismissing on Macrumors...
Can we please distinguish between wearing masks indoors and outdoors? Outdoor transmission is nowhere near as likely as indoor transmission. So no, I'm not going to wear a mask when I go running outdoors or walk the dog and (maybe) pass within six feet of someone for one second a time or two during a run. But I'll wear one to the grocery store or to work.
A second spike was expected, but the real catalyst, I believe, has been the large gatherings with the protests. This has basically wiped away all the sacrifices people made when staying at home. The timing could not have been worse, but you gotta do what matters most.
As for the skeptics, this virus is still killing the vulnerable. Keep your guard up until February.
As for the skeptics, this virus is still killing the vulnerable. Keep your guard up until February.
Thank you. That's what I have been saying here. Some folks are just so fearful of everything that they end up putting their healthy in jeopardy. I walk, run, swim and bike and will not wear a mask that restricts my breathing.
There's multiple incorrect pieces of information in this post, not the least of which is that this virus has killed 50% more than the 2018 flu number you gave but did so in far fewer months than the flu season lasted.
That's how some sound on here. Just avoid all human contact until the virus disappears. I don't know anyone who has gone through life and been able to avoid all bacteria and all viruses.
That isn't the explanation given by Fauci: https://thehill.com/changing-americ...fauci-why-the-public-wasnt-told-to-wear-masksCompletely ignoring the differences in propagation between viruses. Why did they say masks were useless, then masks were useful? Because they realized you need a significant level of inhaled viruses to get infection, larger than the threshold of detection.
It was also due to plain bad science:
Top journal retracts study claiming masks ineffective in preventing COVID-19 spread
Source One of the world’s leading medical journals has retracted a widely circulated paper published in April that concluded that “both surgical and cotton masks seem to be ineffective in preventin…
If you've been following along, you'd know they killed tens of thousands of people by applying "prior research" on ventilators and SpO2 to COVID.
They've also stopped worldwide trials of drugs based on completely fabricated data.
Here's COVID science at work
Retracted coronavirus (COVID-19) papers
via CDC We’ve been tracking retractions of papers about COVID-19 as part of our database. Here’s a running list, which will be updated as needed. (For some context on these figures, see…
"He also acknowledged that masks were initially not recommended to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE.
He explained that public health experts "were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.”
Bad articles do make it through the review process unfortunately; however, they eventually get discredited and redacted when their results cannot be repeated. I never claimed otherwise. That's actually the beauty if the scientific method (in the long-term). Unfortunately in certain cases those poor articles can directly lead to tragedy, as was witness here, and most notoriously from the discredited article that claimed vaccination causes autism.
Then there would be spikes everywhere there were protests. This is not the case.
This is a very obtuse and disingenuous reading of what is being said here and by the scientific consensus. There are numerous places in the world that have not had the ongoing rise in daily positives that we have had in the USA despite those locations also normalizing regular increased testing like people claim is the reason for rising positives here. They had proper lockdowns and mandates, including for masks. Do nothing and go out shopping is not working - the reopening weeks from places like Florida, Texas, and California have proven this. The recovery rate is falling terribly in several of the USA's worst hotspots, while the infections per testing capita are higher than last month.
And you admitted exactly my point. There simply hasn't been enough time for science to do its normal course, which requires years. These "scientific conclusions" that "scientists" are giving now are simply guesses or BS, many of which are wrong, and unfortunately kill people.
Nobody wants to be at CDC and say "we don't know what science says we should do, check back in 3 years", but that's the truth.
As a scientist I understand this. The public, politicians, and media do not.
You don‘t have to avoid all of them. Just this one. Because this one is everywhere, and it is deadly. And even if it doesn’t kill you, it can cause lasting medical problems, and cause you a lot of pain in the mean time.
Think of it this way: if every single person in the United States stayed home for 2 weeks, there would be these buckets of people at the end of the two weeks:
1) people with no symptoms. They don’t have the disease, because scientists tell us that 2 weeks with no symptoms means you’re fine. If you don’t trust that, make it a month.
2) people with some sort of symptoms. They MIGHT have the disease.
Now imagine you let group 1 out and about to do their business.
For group 2, you test them all. Now you know who has the disease. You isolate those people until they are no longer contagious.
Now you are done, and you only have to worry about new people arriving and bringing the disease with them. So you quarantine all of them for 2 weeks. And if anyone else does show ANY symptoms, you isolate them immediately, test them, contact trace and isolate them, etc.
In a couple months we’d be done with this.
But we never got testing up high enough, and we never took isolation seriously enough in certain parts of the country.
We don’t have to quarantine until a vaccine - just until we get it under control. But so many people are so selfish that they won’t do it.
Exactly! Why don't people understand this?! I would totally agree if there was some way to instantly quarantine them all together indefinitely.
Florida's first spike never ended, but the drastic increase started with the numbers from reopening week 1 and 2, and went drastically higher beginning Memorial Day weekend. All before the protests.
Flu seasons end in April, did we stop counting Covid deaths in April like we do with the flu?
Also the WHO lied about 3.4% death rate. What’s your explanation?