Apple Again Closing Some Stores in Florida, Arizona, North Carolina and South Carolina Due to Coronavirus Spikes

[konqerror]

Are you really defending the scientists used to think the earth is flat guy because you're aware there are inherent differences in life sciences and engineering?

k.

As for your questions, the majority of my work is in emissions, and every report and paper requires statistical analysis as emissions data is being compared between populations.

Nope words in my mouth.

If you haven't published many papers yet, you wouldn't understand that you can get any crap through review and published.

Did you ever start a project and get published results in the span of 3 months?

Did you even know what you were doing 3 months after the start of a project?

Why does it take you 4-5 years to churn out one lousy thesis nobody cares about?

Come back when you're done with your PhD when you know how science works.

 

[fourthtunz]

Look at the bright side, at least there will be less stupid people walking around.

Unfortunately these self obsessed people don't care about taking others out with them or that
they will end up at a hospital that is already overwhelmed.

 

[gugy]

You call it “fearmongering” but others call it “telling the truth.”

You don’t have to believe in the deadliness and virulence of the virus - the virus believes in you.

Well, it's been very well documented that CDC, WHO and several officials change their positions on a monthly basis. Dr. Fauci recently said that the early directions were misleading.

 

[hagjohn]

The US completely botched the response.

Part of the problem is cultural, part is... orange... but I believe these closures are only the beginning, and a new lockdown phase is unavoidable at this point, unless a million deaths suddenly becomes acceptable.

It's like people have suddenly gotten stupid. It spreads like the flu. Everyone knows how to avoid the flu, so everyone should know how to avoid COVID-19. And even if you do everything right things, you can still get it. Masks are not 100%.

 

[routine_analyst]

Reported cases are rising but reported deaths are falling. Why is only one half of this equation publicized constantly? Oh because "Covid Deaths Falling" doesn't sell news.

 

[gbc204]

Yeah they reopened way too early

California is way too big to have this decision on a state-level. San Francisco has only had 47 deaths. Most everyone wearing masks, pretty much everyone social distancing. Granted it's a much smaller city than LA, but SoCal is really ruining it for everybody. The Bay Area in general has handled it pretty well.

 

[fourthtunz]

That is either a lie, or a complete misunderstanding of the word “consensus.”

ha ha, I don't think he understands the word.

 

[TVOR]

And you have no problem being a spreader? The point of the mask is that you are showing that you respect others
around you. Really? Hubris.

Where I am I see maybe 1 in 100 people wearing a mask. So I guess we are all a bunch of disrespectful a**holes!!

 

[cmaier]

The way you factor out increased testing to determine the true rise in cases is to chart the number of hospitalizations which can be tracked to the period before testing was widely available.

If you have 5% increase in hospitalizations then you can assume that you have a proportional increase in infections. The increased testing is going to inflate the overall number of known infections for certain.

That’s not the “way” you do it. You compare the rate of infection per test. We KNOW how many tests are being done. It’s easy to see from graphing it in each state that the number of new infections is greatly exceeding any increase in tests.

 

[gugy]

California is way too big to have this decision on a state-level. San Francisco has only had 47 deaths. Most everyone wearing masks, pretty much everyone social distancing. Granted it's a much smaller city than LA, but SoCal is really ruining it for everybody. The Bay Area in general has handled it pretty well.

San Diego has very little deaths and cases.

 

[fourthtunz]

Reported cases are rising but reported deaths are falling. Why is only one half of this equation publicized constantly? Oh because "Covid Deaths Falling" doesn't sell news.

falling is a relative term. Give it another 2-4 weeks.

 

[JimmyBanks6]

Yeah I mean my advisor from graduate business school had a Phd, I don't consult her for medical advice lol

I'm not giving medical advice personally, I've posted articles from experts.

The misinformation spreader I was responding to has no understanding of the scientific method whatsoever, the point of my replies was to highlight his/her misinformation and correct it with sourced articles. It's unbelievable this needs to be explained.

 

[cmaier]

California is way too big to have this decision on a state-level. San Francisco has only had 47 deaths. Most everyone wearing masks, pretty much everyone social distancing. Granted it's a much smaller city than LA, but SoCal is really ruining it for everybody. The Bay Area in general has handled it pretty well.

A lot of highly educated people, and a very brave lady in Santa Clara county who shut things down fast. Still, I do see more people out and about in Silicon Valley. There will be a reckoning.

 

[compwiz1202]

I’m pretty sure the spikes are more to do with the thousands out there protesting plus the shops opening way too soon.

Along with people swarming beaches and other large gathering spots with no masks are not even six INCHES between them.

 

[fourthtunz]

California is way too big to have this decision on a state-level. San Francisco has only had 47 deaths. Most everyone wearing masks, pretty much everyone social distancing. Granted it's a much smaller city than LA, but SoCal is really ruining it for everybody. The Bay Area in general has handled it pretty well.

How many people aren't wearing masks and never will? They have to lockdown to at least try to slow down infections.

 

[hagjohn]

Yes I have a couple friends who work at hospitals here in SoCal. Its been dead, has been dead. If you really think you’re saving lives locked down until a vaccine is created, you are beyond delusional. You probably are the type of person who believes the vaccine should be forced upon people by law as well. You realize even next year once the vaccine is made, most people just like the flu vaccine won’t ever get it. So you’re holy grail and reason for staying locked down will be for nothing. Best of luck!

Geez, a hospital that isn't busy... ... that's the point of the lockdown.

 

[cannono]

The way you factor out increased testing to determine the true rise in cases is to chart the number of hospitalizations which can be tracked to the period before testing was widely available.

If you have 5% increase in hospitalizations then you can assume that you have a proportional increase in infections. The increased testing is going to inflate the overall number of known infections for certain.

More testing means we are getting a more accurate view of how many people out there are really. The number is very high in several populous states like Florida and Texas and people should be concerned. It reaching record-breaking daily numbers is not inflated, it means we did not get past it in the first place and the reopening plans were based on denial and lies from the governors. The rate of recovery and the rate of infection among those tested has gotten worse in Florida. It's a problem.

 

[TVOR]

Unfortunately these self obsessed people don't care about taking others out with them or that
they will end up at a hospital that is already overwhelmed.

You seem to be saying that if I don't wear a mask I WILL infect others and I WILL end up in a hospital that WILL be already overwhelmed?

What if I have already had it and have antibodies?

 

[cmaier]

San Diego has very little deaths and cases.

San Diego has the third highest number of cases in the state (and is the fourth largest city).

Cases also increasing rapidly.

 

[TVOR]

I'm not giving medical advice personally, I've posted articles from experts.

The misinformation spreader I was responding to has no understanding of the scientific method whatsoever, the point of my replies was to highlight his/her misinformation and correct it with sourced articles. It's unbelievable this needs to be explained.

You "sourced" ONE article which was from a random University. There was one study from the University of Oxford in the UK (one of the best in the world) which suggested that up to half of the UK population may already have had the virus. Are you going to tell me that academics from one of the best Universities in the world don't understand the scientific method?

 

[TVOR]

here in Germany:

it is mandatory to wear a mask at stores and bars / restaurants. I actually saw a angry woman who refused to wear a mask and called everyone stupid for wearing one at a grocery store be kicked out yesterday

Limit the access to stores for a specific amount of people at a time

Limit the available seatings at restaurants / bars and make sure there is a 2 Meter distance between tables. Have the waiters wear masks

Limit the amount of people that can meet and have people be conscious enough to actually follow it

seems to have worked well to flatten the curve here so far

Why 2m? Even the mighty WHO only says 1m: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

 

[cmaier]

Yes I have a couple friends who work at hospitals here in SoCal. Its been dead, has been dead. If you really think you’re saving lives locked down until a vaccine is created, you are beyond delusional. You probably are the type of person who believes the vaccine should be forced upon people by law as well. You realize even next year once the vaccine is made, most people just like the flu vaccine won’t ever get it. So you’re holy grail and reason for staying locked down will be for nothing. Best of luck!

1) hospitals are calm because of the lockdown. Take away the lockdown and you have NYC or Italy
2) nobody is saying lockdown until vaccine. They are saying lockdown until the number of new cases is small enough that contact tracing and selective isolation is good enough to render the disease effectively defeated
3) yes, people should have to get the vaccine, just like many other vaccines, because the vaccine is unlikely to be fully effective so you want to achieve herd immunity so that people who either can’t get the vaccine for medical reasons, or for whom the vaccine doesn’t work, are protected. It’s a civic duty. And, yes, it is perfectly legal and constitutional for a state to mandate vaccinations. Jacobsen v. Mass., 197 U.S. 11 (1905); Zucht v. King (1922), Prince v. Mass. (1944), etc.

 

[chucker23n1]

Why 2m? Even the mighty WHO only says 1m: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

I'm not sure why "at least" is a difficult concept to follow, but in any case, indoor and outdoor aren't the same.

 

[JimmyBanks6]

Nope words in my mouth.

Yes, that is exactly what you are doing.

Did you ever start a project and get published results in the span of 3 months?

Did you even know what you were doing 3 months after the start of a project?

Research on herd immunity and virology did not begin 3 months ago, nice straw man attempt. In before you post "prior research on other viruses isn't relevant to COVID".

 

[fourthtunz]

You seem to be saying that if I don't wear a mask I WILL infect others and I WILL end up in a hospital that WILL be already overwhelmed?

What if I have already had it and have antibodies?

What if everyone wore a mask until this is over?