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Apple Again Hits Back at Nokia in Patent Dispute
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Where 'it' is your daft scenarios based on conjecture and wrong information gleaned from internet forums?
Do you have any proof that Nokia is on its last legs or is this just fanboy spew?
Nokia's numbers will tell the tale. If their slide in share continues, there's a problem. If they post losses (again), there's a problem, etc. You get the idea.
Nah. I'm (thankfully) immune to fanboyism.
I'd love to get into the mindset where a company holds so much passion and esteem with people. It's mind boggling to me.
The most important things in my life are my wonderful wife and my beautiful daughter but I do wonder if some people here would choose Apple over their own loved ones.
The one thing I do have respect for is your open and honest admission that Apple > all in your eyes.
All I admit is Apple > Nokia and I don't care if Apple is wrong this time. I'm not choosing things like computers or phones over people and my family. Try again.
World is not only black and white you know.
I read that the ITC is designed to prevent imports threatening US manufacturers. Is ITC also more likely to side with US company?
Legally, if Apple has products contract manufactured overseas completely to their US design and IP, are they importing or not?
According to this definition I'm guessing there will be scope for legal argument on whether contract manufacturing is importing or not. If the key IP and complete design/development/marketing/sales is from US and manufacturing is offshore, where will ITC draw the importing line??
These articles makes no mention of contract manufacturing
http://inbrief.pli.edu/2009/02/bria...-section-337-of-the-tariff-act-to-patent.html
http://www.ipo.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentFileID=55206
"Designed by Apple. Assembled in China."
I'd think that as Apple fans, we would be the first to know that marketshare doesn't speak to a company's profitability!
Nokia's posted losses were from a one-time write-off of their Nokia-Seimens joint venture (cellphone towers, etc). From what I can see, the last available financials are Q309, their phones made a tidy 800 million euro profit.
UK High Court rules for Nokia vs IPCom
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60H37620100118?type=technologyNews
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60H37620100118?type=technologyNews
So true. This matter will likely be settled. The posters will still come away with "No one beats Apple's legal team...blah blah"
Too much free time + SJ worship = this post
haha indeed. Scary part is I bet many enjoyed it
Happens all the team. Proponents will move the goalposts during the discussion to make themselves feel better such as "Nokia is dying. They cant compete so they sue out of jealousy. Apple could buy them right now..."
Meanwhile a closer analysis says otherwise. But the trick is to put up an attractive hypothesis that will superficially look feasible and remain attractive to zealots who are looking for an explanation they can stomach.
It's clearly importation, regardless of where it was designed. There is no question.
Nokia will get a much fairer shake with the ITC vs. a U.S. Jury
Nokia will get a much fairer shake with the ITC vs. a U.S. Jury
1. Declare Finland a terrorist state
2. Send in troops
3. Bomb them into stone age
4. "Rebuild" using US companies ONLY
Problem solved!!!!
For god's sake don't try that!!! Soviet tried during WW2 with disastrous results for the red army!
(no, I'm not from Finland)
Speculative absurd ridiculous scenarios I absolutely agree - glad you spotted that.
...but it's daftness based upon speculation within the patents - since I actually read them all
I agree. It's clear here to me that Nokia is attempting to get Apple to open up and license its patents, and that's not gonna happen anytime soon. I think it's in Apple's best interest to drag this out, because while Apple knows it's going to have to license some standard Nokia cell phone technology patents like every other cell phone manufacturer, by not settling or offering access to Apple patents, Apple is further delaying Nokia's ability to effectively compete with the iPhone. Unless there are injunctions against sale in this case, this might go on for awhile. Even if Apple knows it's going to have to pay Nokia, Apple would much more not like to see its own patents licensed to Nokia or anyone else. The longer it goes on, the more it benefits Apple & the iPhone.
Fair enough, but a lot depends on how you interpret those ratings. Nokia sues Apple, negative rating because it is bad for Apple, Apple countersuit positive because it shows that Apple believes they have a case. It could be as simple as that. Or maybe it was a comment on the quality of the reporting? I don't know what those ratings are supposed to be good for, which is why I don't contribute or pay much attention to them.
Fair enough
Ok that seems fair. I like Apple and if that makes me a fan boy so what. I am glad you have stopped wasting your time reading comments that you don't like , I am sure that you have a few linux servers that you should be sorting out. As for the Nokia fanboy well you certianly are no Apple fan but maybe that was a little over the top. However I am glad this time you stopped reading my comment and did not make stupid remarks about things I had not actually said. Each to their own I suppose, I just like a level playing field where everyone pays the same for using the same technology and that was the only point that I was trying to make.
Ok that seems fair. I like Apple and if that makes me a fan boy so what. I am glad you have stopped wasting your time reading comments that you don't like , I am sure that you have a few linux servers that you should be sorting out
. As for the Nokia fanboy well you certianly are no Apple fan but maybe that was a little over the top. However I am glad this time you stopped reading my comment and did not make stupid remarks about things I had not actually said. Each to their own I suppose, I just like a level playing field where everyone pays the same for using the same technology and that was the only point that I was trying to make.Why are people reading mac Roumours if they don't like apple
Ok
I'm comfused. After having a bit of a rant (there I said it!) a quick glance over the comments and some background on the more vocal of them. It would appear that some of them (I don't think I need to be specific just look at profiles and web links) don't like Apple. Fair enough everyone to their own, but why post on a forum where you would assume most people love the products Apple make, why else would you log on to a website about rumours for Apple products. Surely you have better things to do than argue with people who (I include myself) will never change their view of Apple unless they do something truly horrific. Can you not just let the rest of us live in our fantasy world where Apple make everything and 'it just works' tm. It may be sad and possibly a bit childish but in todays society I want a bit of free escapism without having to argue!
Ok
I'm comfused. After having a bit of a rant (there I said it!) a quick glance over the comments and some background on the more vocal of them. It would appear that some of them (I don't think I need to be specific just look at profiles and web links) don't like Apple. Fair enough everyone to their own, but why post on a forum where you would assume most people love the products Apple make, why else would you log on to a website about rumours for Apple products. Surely you have better things to do than argue with people who (I include myself) will never change their view of Apple unless they do something truly horrific. Can you not just let the rest of us live in our fantasy world where Apple make everything and 'it just works' tm. It may be sad and possibly a bit childish but in todays society I want a bit of free escapism without having to argue!
Basically Apple is going to have to pay up. $1 billion will probably do nicely.
LOL. Yeah, 2x the biggest payout ever, for sure.
THIS is exactly the type of evil corporate monopolist behavior Apple fanboys accuse MSFT of all the time. Basically "run out the clock" tactic on the competition. Basically from here on out, I NEVER want to hear how Apple is morally superior to MSFT, EVER.
Ok that seems fair. I like Apple and if that makes me a fan boy so what. I am glad you have stopped wasting your time reading comments that you don't like , I am sure that you have a few linux servers that you should be sorting out
I read threw the rest or you comment that he stop reading on and I quite franking agree with Knight.
You called him a fanboy and then admitted that you know jack about any of this and just blinding following Apple.
Sorry but that just makes you a fool. If you read a lot of his post Knight is an apple fan but an open minded apple fan and does tend look at things more opening.
he does not attended the church of apple or call SJ his god like many people here do.
Apple is morally superior. Apple is not an abusive monopolist who many times stole source code.
Apple isn't trying to run out the clock. Despite the fact that defendants in patent law suits always want a slow track (for legal reasons they have a much more difficult case to prove, which takes far longer to develop), Apple is actually trying to STAY in the ITC. The ITC is by far the fastest jurisdiction for dealing with patents - faster, even, than the "rocket docket" (E.D.VA). The whole proceeding takes a year. Rather than trying to stay Nokia's ITC case pending the court case, Apple actually filed its own ITC case. Clearly Apple wants this resolved as fast as possible.
to keep up with technology from a specific manufacturer? i keep up with nvidia and ati things too.