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I never said everyone wanted an iPhone, although I think it's safe to say that the iPhone has radically changed the public's perception of what a mobile phone can be. Ultimately, I think everyone does want a "smart phone" (ie: mini computer). And even if they don't today, they will in the next few years as the product category matures.

As for Nokia, the writing is on the wall. They have a terrible UI and there's nothing "cool" about their brand. Their marketshare will continue to erode around the world until they deliver better products. All this patent litigation wreaks of a company that would rather litigate than innovate. As I clearly stated in my earlier post, I have no opinion on the validity of their claims. I do think, however, that if they spend more time making better products and less time acting like the Microsoft of the mobile phone world, they might find increased success.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
i did say IF THIS IS CORRECT!

From both Nokia's and Apple's filing, we can see that the negotiations have been ongoing since the iPhone came out. So your question is wrong in and of itself.



Other mobile producers are under license to use the patents thus giving Nokia no reason to pursue them. As for Apple not having the same terms as everyone else, maybe you'd like to enlighten us to exactly what Apple was offered and what exactly are the terms other mobile manufacturers are subject to.

Maybe you want to just drop the bias a few notches and look at what is presented objectively before you poor your venom all over this story.

Sorry Nokia Fan I don't have time to do all that background reading I have more important things to do. I did say that I had assumed the previous comment I quoted was correct and no I do not know what the terms were and unless you work for either Apple or Nokia I assume you don't either. As for my scorn, I am just a bit fed up of the world and his wife trying to sue Apple because their product looks or works 'LIKE' someone elses. No I am not enough of a technology expert or patent laywer to assess this but I assume Apple hired people like this when developing the iPhone to ensure they were on the right side of the law. As I said why wait till now to make such a big fuss. I know it can take time for these things to be resolved by 2 years hmmmm. The only thing I can see happening in the last 2 years is that the iPhone has been more successful than most people thought (outside the Apple community) and Nokia have begun to imitate it in terms of their phone design and app store (sorry Ovi Store).
 
Sorry Nokia Fan I don't have time to do all that background reading I have more important things to do...

Where did you get I was a Nokia fan ?

As for the rest of your post, I stopped reading where I stopped the quote. If you don't have time to make informed comments, we shouldn't waste time reading your drivel.
 
Steve Jobs to buy Nokia

Finland, Nov 15 -

In a stunning hostile takeover, Steve Jobs announced that he would write a personal check for Nokia. Shares of Apple, Disney, and Marvel Comics have all gone up on the news with MacRumors reporting that the entire board of Nokia will be flayed alive and it's lawyers to be eaten by sharks; afterwards, the sharks will be used for Hákarl at a private invitation-only celebration.

Nokia stock has plummeted on the news with Nokia Chairman, Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo, fleeing the country to an 'undisclosed location' in advance of Job's loyal minions. The remainder of the Group Executive Board of Nokia and it's Board of Directors remains trapped in the Nokia Headquarters in Keilaniemi with pleas to the World Court and the UN to stop Jobs' advance on the city.

Before Kallasvuo left on a last-minute private charter, he said "We had no idea what we were doing when we sued Apple! I mean, it usually resolves itself in court; we trade a few insults, pass some legal papers, and settle. Somehow, this got way out of hand and Jobs took it personally and now... now...it's all gone, just gone."

Kallasvuo also made an additional plea for Jobs to spare the engineering staff and thier families from any further persecution.

LOL! Pretty epic post.
 
So because you like Apple products it's okay for them to break the law?

Yes. I'm that good.

Would you mind if they used slave labor?

They do. Nokia included. That place is called China and slaves are called Chinese. Yes, I know it's a shocking surprise to us all.
How about if they just stole everyones patents?

Well I hope they did, so did Nokia.

Your rationale makes no sense to me. The law doesn't work unless it applies equally to everyone, even those who deliver a lot of good products.

The best part is I DON'T CARE ;)
 
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KnightWRX said:
Sorry Nokia Fan I don't have time to do all that background reading I have more important things to do...

Where did you get I was a Nokia fan ?

As for the rest of your post, I stopped reading where I stopped the quote. If you don't have time to make informed comments, we shouldn't waste time reading your drivel.

You're a nokia fan because you won't side with apple on a whim. Anyone with an open mind is undoubtedly a fanboy. ;)

Think diferent - Unless it's negative towards Apple, then think the same.
 
"However this does not alter the fact that Apple has failed to agree appropriate terms for using Nokia technology and has been seeking a free ride on Nokia's innovation since it shipped the first iPhone in 2007."

Since this is obviously a direct lie, I suggest Apple simply "estimate" FRAND royalties based on all available information it has on negotiations and competitors, and pay "estimated tax", now, in advance of any judgement, to "show good faith" and incidentally show how they calculated it.

This way there cannot be any claims of "free ride".

On completion of the judgement on the many matters Apple will get the money back with interest and punitive damages and it will increase the award. If by chance they lose on some aspects, it will LOWER the award of punitive damages.

For a tiny amount of money they can gain a huge tactical advantage.

Rocketman
 
I hope for your sake that's a copy/paste job - I'd feel for anyone who wasted time writing that crap.

I'm pulling 12x7 night shift here in the 'Stan and needed to do a little creative writing. No harm, no foul and I'm 1/1 on the 'it was epic and funny' vs 'I was sexually abused as a child by cloven-hoofed animals and have no sense of humor whatsoever' score.

God Bless and have a great day, Pig! :)

-Doc-
 
It's sad what the communist regime did to the moral of the people under it. We can still feel the consquencies. I wonder how many generations it will last.

Sadly it seems to be true. The old eastern block wants to be so western but alarmingly large number of people there seem to lack the ability to take responsibility of their own actions. Some eastern block countries have good 60 year gap in social anthropological development when compared to western countries so it will be wild wild east for some time to come.
 
Why doesn't Nokia stop wasting time and money paying people to hang out and post on apple boards, and put some effort into coming up with a decent smartphone with a better OS? This is getting old.
 
It will be interesting to see what was the negotiation between apple and nokia for licensing, and if Nokia had actually offered similar deals to what it supposedly has with other cell phone makers. It will also be interesting if the judge rules that either company have knowingly not defended their patents thoroughly in the past in other products.
 
It will be interesting to see what was the negotiation between apple and nokia for licensing, and if Nokia had actually offered similar deals to what it supposedly has with other cell phone makers. It will also be interesting if the judge rules that either company have knowingly not defended their patents thoroughly in the past in other products.

The judge would not rule on such a thing, because it's irrelevant. There's no such thing as losing a patent by not "defending it thoroughly."
 
It's sad what the communist regime did to the moral of the people under it. We can still feel the consquencies. I wonder how many generations it will last.

Yes, very sad. Nice deflection though. Still needs some work. Keep Up.
 
So because you like Apple products it's okay for them to break the law? Would you mind if they used slave labor? How about if they just stole everyones patents? Your rationale makes no sense to me. The law doesn't work unless it applies equally to everyone, even those who deliver a lot of good products.

they do use slave labour....still.
 
From my understanding Nokia has to offer "Fair Non-Discrimatory Licensing Fees" (i.e. the same price [or percentage deal] to everyone) and cannot require cross-patent licensing be part of any licensing deals.
It is not set that it is just pricing. Any deal may be struck, per patent or per portfolio of patents. Any deal, as long as it is fair, reasonable and does not hinder competition.

I can imagine Nokia going for a percentage deal stating which percentages they get from other phone makers and that Apple wants a price deal, stating that the iPhone is a platform that is more than just a cell phone. 1% from a $50 cell phone is different than 1% of a $500 iPhone.

After having read Nokia's original complaint, it seems Nokia has asked for a substantial amount from Apple. Nokia claims Apple was able to offer substantially lower prices for their product by not paying the license fees and thus Apple was (according to Nokia) 'buying market share' by (temporarily) `free riding'. Nokia does not only claim non-payed license fees, it also claims (huge) compensation for lost market share because of Apple's 'free riding' (art 71-73 of the original suit).

People saying this is not about market share, at least this part of Nokia's original suit explicitely mentions it.
 
And I'm sure that Nokia's lawyers weighed that risk and decided it wasn't large enough to prevent them from filing the lawsuit.

At the end of the day Nokia simply wants to get paid for their IP as they should. The entire battle between them and Apple is going to be about how much Nokia gets paid.
In fact, Nokia also claims compensation for lost market share as a result of Apple not charging enough for their iPhone.
 
...and wonder why so many Europeans think Americans are uneducated hillbilly idiots...
Which would make me wonder why so many Europeans are simpleton enough to believe that Americans are uneducated hillbilly idiots.

If at all, the United States is a split culture, part of which is highly intellectual and part is anti-intellectual. And, interestingly, both sides have their fairly educated members (doesn't GW Bush hold a degree from Harvard)?

But the same is true in Europe where anti-intellectualism is on the rise.
 
Well, when one cannot compete by making and selling products, one would naturally resort to the courts.

A dying gasp from Nokia. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Well, when one cannot compete by making and selling products, one would naturally resort to the courts.

A dying gasp from Nokia. Nothing more, nothing less.

Do you have any proof that Nokia is on its last legs or is this just fanboy spew? :confused:
 
Whatever happen Apple wins. Whatever happens Nokia loses. This could be the tech battle of the decade!

The basics ;

1) Nokia can't stop Apple having the technology at FRAND rates.
2) Nothing Apple has done has in any way inhibited Nokias capability to innovate and compete on an equal basis in the market, so there will be no 'punitive damages'.

Thus...

Scenario A)

Apple pays the FRAND but for some reason FRAND is 'set higher' (which is what Nokia is after here btw) meaning all other handset manufacturers have to pay this rate.

Only Apple with a high-end device can afford these new rates - all other tech players are priced out of the game.

This will lead to counter-suits and eventually Nokia will be struck off the GSM standard for 'profiteering and monopolistic extortion' or fined and suffer lost of trust. New technologies would be sought to replace vanquished Nokia tech. Nokia loses PR big style, consumer confidence dissapear and maybe goes bust along the way.

Apple Win.


Scenario B)

Apple pays FRAND at rates equivalent to al other manufacturers. Nokia is denied access to critical patents. Nokia clearly already has NO means of competing against OSX ( really, who can compete against 30 years of UNIX development?). They are locked out of key GUI patents and have to continue to make hard-key old-school phones. Nokia eventually goes bust.

Really folks this is all about Nokia continuing to exist into the 21st century.

I fail to see ANY way in which Nokia can win in this scenario.

Apple Win

Scenario C)

Nokia are found to be unlawfully extorting and lose their patents. GSM becomes 'open standard'. Nokia no longer holds control and loses FRAND revenue and look utterly stupid. Lose consumer confidence, may go bust along the way.

Apple Win

Scenario D)

Nokia win somehow ( mob tactics maybe, I don't know any other way - certainly not on a legal basis) and are, for some absurd reason, granted legal right to DENY GSM technology to Apple (and of course they must do so for all other tech companies) Nokia deny Apple FRAND. Apple are denied the abilty to make iPhones. All companies can now no longer make mobile phones!!

Apple will immediately launch a hostile take-over of Nokia and control the entire global phone market.

This scenario can't happen btw - it's utterly IMPOSSIBLE and would doubtless lead to some kind of invasion of Finland by the US Military.

Apple Win


Clearly it's all absurd.
 
He doesn't care. I agree with him. Shouldn't you be allergic to fanboys by now?

Nah. I'm (thankfully) immune to fanboyism.

I'd love to get into the mindset where a company holds so much passion and esteem with people. It's mind boggling to me.

The most important things in my life are my wonderful wife and my beautiful daughter but I do wonder if some people here would choose Apple over their own loved ones. :D :apple:

The one thing I do have respect for is your open and honest admission that Apple > all in your eyes. :cool:
 
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