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Apple Again Hits Back at Nokia in Patent Dispute
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Where did you get I was a Nokia fan ?
As for the rest of your post, I stopped reading where I stopped the quote. If you don't have time to make informed comments, we shouldn't waste time reading your drivel.
Yes. I'm that good.
They do. Nokia included. That place is called China and slaves are called Chinese. Yes, I know it's a shocking surprise to us all.
Well I hope they did, so did Nokia.
The best part is I DON'T CARE
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You're a nokia fan because you won't side with apple on a whim. Anyone with an open mind is undoubtedly a fanboy.
Think diferent - Unless it's negative towards Apple, then think the same.
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You're a nokia fan because you won't side with apple on a whim. Anyone with an open mind is undoubtedly a fanboy.
Think diferent - Unless it's negative towards Apple, then think the same.
Since this is obviously a direct lie, I suggest Apple simply "estimate" FRAND royalties based on all available information it has on negotiations and competitors, and pay "estimated tax", now, in advance of any judgement, to "show good faith" and incidentally show how they calculated it.
This way there cannot be any claims of "free ride".
On completion of the judgement on the many matters Apple will get the money back with interest and punitive damages and it will increase the award. If by chance they lose on some aspects, it will LOWER the award of punitive damages.
For a tiny amount of money they can gain a huge tactical advantage.
Rocketman
The best part is I DON'T CARE
It's sad what the communist regime did to the moral of the people under it. We can still feel the consquencies. I wonder how many generations it will last.
I'm pulling 12x7 night shift here in the 'Stan and needed to do a little creative writing. No harm, no foul and I'm 1/1 on the 'it was epic and funny' vs 'I was sexually abused as a child by cloven-hoofed animals and have no sense of humor whatsoever' score.
God Bless and have a great day, Pig!
-Doc-
Sadly it seems to be true. The old eastern block wants to be so western but alarmingly large number of people there seem to lack the ability to take responsibility of their own actions. Some eastern block countries have good 60 year gap in social anthropological development when compared to western countries so it will be wild wild east for some time to come.
It will be interesting to see what was the negotiation between apple and nokia for licensing, and if Nokia had actually offered similar deals to what it supposedly has with other cell phone makers. It will also be interesting if the judge rules that either company have knowingly not defended their patents thoroughly in the past in other products.
The judge would not rule on such a thing, because it's irrelevant. There's no such thing as losing a patent by not "defending it thoroughly."
It is not set that it is just pricing. Any deal may be struck, per patent or per portfolio of patents. Any deal, as long as it is fair, reasonable and does not hinder competition.
I can imagine Nokia going for a percentage deal stating which percentages they get from other phone makers and that Apple wants a price deal, stating that the iPhone is a platform that is more than just a cell phone. 1% from a $50 cell phone is different than 1% of a $500 iPhone.
After having read Nokia's original complaint, it seems Nokia has asked for a substantial amount from Apple. Nokia claims Apple was able to offer substantially lower prices for their product by not paying the license fees and thus Apple was (according to Nokia) 'buying market share' by (temporarily) `free riding'. Nokia does not only claim non-payed license fees, it also claims (huge) compensation for lost market share because of Apple's 'free riding' (art 71-73 of the original suit).
People saying this is not about market share, at least this part of Nokia's original suit explicitely mentions it.
In fact, Nokia also claims compensation for lost market share as a result of Apple not charging enough for their iPhone.
Which would make me wonder why so many Europeans are simpleton enough to believe that Americans are uneducated hillbilly idiots.
If at all, the United States is a split culture, part of which is highly intellectual and part is anti-intellectual. And, interestingly, both sides have their fairly educated members (doesn't GW Bush hold a degree from Harvard)?
But the same is true in Europe where anti-intellectualism is on the rise.
Do you have any proof that Nokia is on its last legs or is this just fanboy spew?
He doesn't care. I agree with him. Shouldn't you be allergic to fanboys by now?
Whatever happen Apple wins. Whatever happens Nokia loses. This could be the tech battle of the decade!
The basics ;
1) Nokia can't stop Apple having the technology at FRAND rates.
2) Nothing Apple has done has in any way inhibited Nokias capability to innovate and compete on an equal basis in the market, so there will be no 'punitive damages'.
Thus...
Scenario A)
Apple pays the FRAND but for some reason FRAND is 'set higher' (which is what Nokia is after here btw) meaning all other handset manufacturers have to pay this rate.
Only Apple with a high-end device can afford these new rates - all other tech players are priced out of the game.
This will lead to counter-suits and eventually Nokia will be struck off the GSM standard for 'profiteering and monopolistic extortion' or fined and suffer lost of trust. New technologies would be sought to replace vanquished Nokia tech. Nokia loses PR big style, consumer confidence dissapear and maybe goes bust along the way.
Apple Win.
Scenario B)
Apple pays FRAND at rates equivalent to al other manufacturers. Nokia is denied access to critical patents. Nokia clearly already has NO means of competing against OSX ( really, who can compete against 30 years of UNIX development?). They are locked out of key GUI patents and have to continue to make hard-key old-school phones. Nokia eventually goes bust.
Really folks this is all about Nokia continuing to exist into the 21st century.
I fail to see ANY way in which Nokia can win in this scenario.
Apple Win
Scenario C)
Nokia are found to be unlawfully extorting and lose their patents. GSM becomes 'open standard'. Nokia no longer holds control and loses FRAND revenue and look utterly stupid. Lose consumer confidence, may go bust along the way.
Apple Win
Scenario D)
Nokia win somehow ( mob tactics maybe, I don't know any other way - certainly not on a legal basis) and are, for some absurd reason, granted legal right to DENY GSM technology to Apple (and of course they must do so for all other tech companies) Nokia deny Apple FRAND. Apple are denied the abilty to make iPhones. All companies can now no longer make mobile phones!!
Apple will immediately launch a hostile take-over of Nokia and control the entire global phone market.
This scenario can't happen btw - it's utterly IMPOSSIBLE and would doubtless lead to some kind of invasion of Finland by the US Military.
Apple Win
Clearly it's all absurd.
The basics ;
1) Nokia can't stop Apple having the technology at FRAND rates.
2) Nothing Apple has done has in any way inhibited Nokias capability to innovate and compete on an equal basis in the market, so there will be no 'punitive damages'.
Thus...
Scenario A)
Apple pays the FRAND but for some reason FRAND is 'set higher' (which is what Nokia is after here btw) meaning all other handset manufacturers have to pay this rate.
Only Apple with a high-end device can afford these new rates - all other tech players are priced out of the game.
This will lead to counter-suits and eventually Nokia will be struck off the GSM standard for 'profiteering and monopolistic extortion' or fined and suffer lost of trust. New technologies would be sought to replace vanquished Nokia tech. Nokia loses PR big style, consumer confidence dissapear and maybe goes bust along the way.
Apple Win.
Scenario B)
Apple pays FRAND at rates equivalent to al other manufacturers. Nokia is denied access to critical patents. Nokia clearly already has NO means of competing against OSX ( really, who can compete against 30 years of UNIX development?). They are locked out of key GUI patents and have to continue to make hard-key old-school phones. Nokia eventually goes bust.
Really folks this is all about Nokia continuing to exist into the 21st century.
I fail to see ANY way in which Nokia can win in this scenario.
Apple Win
Scenario C)
Nokia are found to be unlawfully extorting and lose their patents. GSM becomes 'open standard'. Nokia no longer holds control and loses FRAND revenue and look utterly stupid. Lose consumer confidence, may go bust along the way.
Apple Win
Scenario D)
Nokia win somehow ( mob tactics maybe, I don't know any other way - certainly not on a legal basis) and are, for some absurd reason, granted legal right to DENY GSM technology to Apple (and of course they must do so for all other tech companies) Nokia deny Apple FRAND. Apple are denied the abilty to make iPhones. All companies can now no longer make mobile phones!!
Apple will immediately launch a hostile take-over of Nokia and control the entire global phone market.
This scenario can't happen btw - it's utterly IMPOSSIBLE and would doubtless lead to some kind of invasion of Finland by the US Military.
Apple Win
Clearly it's all absurd.
Nah. I'm (thankfully) immune to fanboyism.
I'd love to get into the mindset where a company holds so much passion and esteem with people. It's mind boggling to me.
The most important things in my life are my wonderful wife and my beautiful daughter but I do wonder if some people here would choose Apple over their own loved ones.
The one thing I do have respect for is your open and honest admission that Apple > all in your eyes.