Apple Allows Camera+ Back onto App Store After 4 Month Removal

[Cybbe]

You wont make me forget about my suggestion though. Make a dedicated button for things like this, and everyone will be happy. That's what they SHOULD do. Remapping buttons is asking for trouble. Just add a button that can be remapped to do whatever, and problem solved. People seem to only quote where i don't make this suggestion. It's interesting.

I can't add a button to my existing £600 phone now can I? The buttons are already there (even two of them), and allowing them to be remapped as an opt-in choice for consumers would keep the phone cleaner. I don't want a multitude of buttons: we already have two plus silent switch on the side.

Oh and by the way, you are aware that Apple allows people to remap their home button triple-click (previously double-click), right?

 

[dwd3885]

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You know what would make them a heckuva lot more money? Releasing an android version.

 

[azajohns]

The volume button feature was awesome. As a father of two who often has one arm full with children, bags, bottles, whatever, the ability to take shots easily with one hand was gold. Try taking a landscape photo with one hand using the onscreen button, its not easy, certainly not comfortable. I would imagine anyone with disabilities would also struggle. With the volume buttons you can easily click and hold with one grip, and shoot again and again without having to remove your finger from the trigger. Its simple ergonomics and I'm surprised Apple hasn't added this option themselves. Poor show.

 

[SBeardsl]

This is one area where Apple falls down. No one who downloads and installs this app would ever be confused about volume vs. shutter button. Apple is just plain wrong here. In fact Apple should have built in the ability to use a volume button as a shutter release.

I can see why it would be useful to have a physical shutter for taking pictures and who really uses the volume control while taking pictures and there is always the software control...then a game company would decide that it would be great to have a physical controller as part of their game because nobody is going to be listening to music while playing their game, so they just add a software volume control inside there setting view...then an art program decides it would be great to be able to adjust brush size or texture using a physical control...then a to do list app decides to scroll its list using the button so the user doesn't have to touch the screen, then a GPS app allows skips to the next turn in the direction list, then a fart app decides to map the button for 😱 [I don't want to even think about that]

The result is that pretty soon the user has no way to know when its a volume control and when the app has retasked it as a programable button and the only 100% reliable way to adjust your music/sound is to use the software control and all of a sudden the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad are no longer a decent music players since there is no standard way to just directly adjust the volume.

Of course, Apple could arbitrarily decide which apps were allowed to map the button and which were not, that would make everybody happy since their choices would always please everybody.

Its a volume control, if a user wants to adjust their sound level they can do it 100% of the time without having to touch the screen, developers need to respect that. Some people will like it, some won't, and there are situations where there seems to be good cases to remap it, but there is a logic to what Apple is doing.

Note: By changing the switch on the iPad to be a volume control Apple has established consistency across its iStuff again.

 

[azajohns]

Another thing i just noticed, when the camera app is launched, the volume buttons don't even seem to do anything. Is that not confusing?

 

[pcharles]

Consider for a moment why cameras have a physical button rather than requiring you to tap the viewfinder.

Cameras had physical buttons because digital ones did not exist. Many new cameras are coming out now with all manner of touch screen features. Consider a similar situation where physical phone keypads are being replaced by digital ones.

 

[pcharles]

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You know what would make them a heckuva lot more money? Releasing an android version.

Not necessarily. A recent podcast I listened to suggested somewhere around 1/2 to 2/3 of Android Apps are pirated. I have to pay for every (paid) iPad App I download, but I pay for maybe 10% of the shareware applications I download. The rest are deleted or free.

 

[johnnymg]

Somebody explain again why these Apple App Stores with their draconian restrictions are a good thing for consumers & developers?

Because "open" often to chaos. SJ has made himself clear on this issue.

If you don't like Apple's approach to product management there are PLENTY of other options for you.

JohnG

 

[koobcamuk]

All you have left to do is to quit posting in forums dedicated to a product you no longer use.

https://forums.macrumors.com/ are not dedicated to the iPhone. I am sure there are specific iPhone forums around.

There are far too many apologists out there.

It would be much nicer to take photos with the iPhone if it had a dedicated button. There's a reason all cameras still have a button; and I know the iPhone is not a camera, but it is necessary IMO.

 

[opticalserenity]

First off, we don't know that it was Apple that kept them out for that long. We can only assume that. Being as how Tap Tap Tap refused to communicate whatsoever with us, the customers, it's just speculation.

Personally I think Apple told them if they remove the volume button hack they could go right back in, and they decided to stay out and add features.

Either way, very bad customer service.

 

[Cybbe]

Not necessarily. A recent podcast I listened to suggested somewhere around 1/2 to 2/3 of Android Apps are pirated. I have to pay for every (paid) iPad App I download, but I pay for maybe 10% of the shareware applications I download. The rest are deleted or free.

This is quite common on iOS as well. It's even an App for it, almost as easy to use as the official App Store. Once jailbroken, iOS is by far the easiest platform ever to install software without paying (easier than Windows, Mac OS, Xbox, etc).

 

[koobcamuk]

...Consider a similar situation where physical phone keypads are being replaced by digital ones.

Which are horrible to use. Touch screen is great, but everything doesn't need to be done using a touch screen.

 

[suss2it]

Again, you ignored the solution I mentioned that solves everyone's problem. 🙄 I'm done with all the ignorance. I keep telling you guys a good solution that i think everyone would be happy with, involving an added hardware button, and nobody takes note of it, which leads me to conclude that all you guys want to do is complain, making my arguments not worth my time. I'm done here.

That requires spending a lot of money on a new iPhone though.

 

[spazzcat]

Again, you ignored the solution I mentioned that solves everyone's problem. 🙄 I'm done with all the ignorance. I keep telling you guys a good solution that i think everyone would be happy with, involving an added hardware button, and nobody takes note of it, which leads me to conclude that all you guys want to do is complain, making my arguments not worth my time. I'm done here.

Apple hates buttons there are not going to add another button to the phone. And I take a lot of photos with my iPhone, I don't understand why it's so hard to press the screen button. Now, one thing they should do is allow the whole screen to be the button.

 

[mrblack927]

Of course it's better. It's ridiculous to think that you have to poke the screen to take a photo.

Don't make such blanket statements and assume you speak for everyone. I installed snap tap on my jailbroken iPhone 4 and after using it for several months, I like the screen button better. Every time I push the volume buttons to take a picture it inevitably shakes the camera ever so slightly and causes the image to be blurred in all but the brightest conditions. Every time, I've had to retake the picture by pressing the onscreen button to get a good photo. I've since uninstalled snap tap because I'll never use those buttons to take pictures again and I might as well save them for volume control.

In short, I think Apple got it right. You'll get better pictures out of the on-screen button and you can still change the volume of things that are running in the background. I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours.

 

[Fraaaa]

There's nothing difficult, but for some people it's just uncomfortable if compared to the physical shutter.

You could make the same argument about the keyboard. I don't think that is the point.

 

[koobcamuk]

In short, I think Apple got it right. You'll get better pictures out of the on-screen button and you can still change the volume of things that are running in the background. I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours.

I'm glad you think so. I hated having to poke the screen as I used two hands to stabilise the phone and I found it much harder. As did everyone that I've spoken to... they all want a dedicated button.

At least it works for you, nice one.

 

[LegendKillerUK]

Jump to the Multi-task bar, adjust the volume slider.

Can you do that while it's in your pocket?

 

[dvince2]

Can you do that while it's in your pocket?

Why is the camera app open while the phones in your pocket?

 

[LegendKillerUK]

Why is the camera app open while the phones in your pocket?

Multitasking, you saying I'm gonna have to manually close it each time?

 

[the vj]

It's against the agreement so I understand that it should have been removed but why does Apple care about something like this.

Because developers will start to get crazy about changing the functionality of the iPods and is the anarchy you see on PCs, it is fun but is not commercial friendly to be guessing "what button does what". So stick to the touchscreen interface and that is it.

 

[LegendKillerUK]

Because developers will start to get crazy about changing the functionality of the iPods and is the anarchy you see on PCs, it is fun but is not commercial friendly to be guessing "what button does what". So stick to the touchscreen interface and that is it.

That.

Especially now with quick app switching, the idea of buttons changing function when toggling between open apps is a consistency nightmare.

While I don't agree with the change of the orientation lock on the iPad, at least it's like that permanently now.

 

[psac]

For this back and forth discussion, that's why the i-devices have a Settings feature. Should be an option.

 

[zed]

I think I'm just going to hang on to my old version with the volume snap enabled. Not sure how long I can look at that badge without updating though....

 

[dwd3885]

Not necessarily. A recent podcast I listened to suggested somewhere around 1/2 to 2/3 of Android Apps are pirated. I have to pay for every (paid) iPad App I download, but I pay for maybe 10% of the shareware applications I download. The rest are deleted or free.

Two things. I think iOS piracy is more prevalent than you think. But also, release an app with small ad and make much more. Just look at Rovio and Angry Birds. 30 million Android downloads, ALL with paid ads. Or 12 million 99 cent iOS apps? I think the 30 million is much more profitable in the long run.