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As a straight male, I can assure you that my rights are not in need of being supported. I am not a member of a embattled minority.

In the US (as in many other parts of the world) man and women are each 50%, women are not a minority
also in the US gay males / LGBT have the same exact right to marry/adopt and do anything else as straight male/female have
 
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this race / gender / sex / religion divide keeps feeding the narrative of a certain party, so let's see:

so you are afraid of being fired for your color but then who hired you in the first place ?

Who is beating who for sleeping with who ?

oh ! may be you are referring to countries like Saudi Arabia, India and other countries where Tim Cook is very happy to do business with and keeps investing billions of dollars

It would be nice if Tim would refuse to do business with those country and stand up for his values if he really has any

on another note:
you are also probably against models since it's all about choosing only who is beautiful, skinny and tall ?
There's a massive difference between being socially active in the country your business is based and where Tim is a citizen of, and making a business decision that will adversely affect the shareholders financially.

I really don't see the problem with Cook helping Apple do what they can to be socially active in order to affect positive change, especially at a time when there is such a movement to turn back the clock on social issues in the US. The knee jerk reaction of ignorant people on this board is frightening and rather disheartening.

I don't know anyone with any gender identity issues, personally, but I do not see the point in giving these people rights that most of us take for granted every day.
 
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The difference is: One is a transgender person who goes where he or she belongs, which just doesn't agree with his or her birth certificate. The other group you are talking about are a bunch of perverted *******s. If a "dude" goes to the women's bathroom then I'm quite sure there will be a lot of volunteers to drag him out. By his ears if he is lucky.

How can you tell who is really transgender? If you drag out the wrong person. You're a racist and go to jail for a long time. It called hate crime.

I live in Santa Cruz. We have perverted here taking photos of toddler changing in the car at the beach. Passing transgender bathroom law is like we are living in a perfect world. Creepers don't exist.
 
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In the US (as in many other parts of the world) man and women are 50%, women are not a minority
also in the US gay males have the same exact right to marry/adopt as straight male have

You're right on both counts. Now might be the time to make your point.
 
In the US (as in many other parts of the world) man and women are 50%, women are not a minority
also in the US gay males / LGBT have the same exact right to marry/adopt and do anything else as straight male/female have

Yeah lets pretend we live in a fantasy world where the LGBT community have things easy.
 
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Someone disagrees with me = ignorant person.
After calling them out like that, I'm gonna say that they can't stand different opinions :)

I'm all for people having different opinions. I have different opinions from most people on lots of topics. I have a different opinion on how to cut an onion with my wife. I have a different opinion on what is a good movie from my kids.

What I have a problem with is when someone's opinion crosses the line and becomes something that adversely affects society and those who live in it.

I think it's ignorant when a person blames jews for their own unfortunate circumstances, or when a person denigrates black people, or blames an entire people for the actions of a few.

And I think the comments on this thread by more people than I would have thought towards a group whose life is difficult enough, are ignorant.
 
Okay, I see "suggests" a lot. That's not science. Astronomers don't "suggest" that the Earth is 93 million miles from the sun. That's a fact. Suggestions are not facts.
Where did I use the word "fact" in my post about that article? You seem to have major problems with comprehension. I said "could".

Do you even know how scientific research works? It's ongoing and subject to pier review. Science is in constant flux as we get closer to the truth.

And by the way, your example is not a fact either. It's an approximation and, worse, it's an approximated average. The Earth's distance from the sun varies because its orbit is eliptical. How very sloppy of you. Try much much harder.
 
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There's a massive difference between being socially active in the country your business is based and where Tim is a citizen of, and making a business decision that will adversely affect the shareholders financially.

I really don't see the problem with Cook helping Apple do what they can to be socially active in order to affect positive change, especially at a time when there is such a movement to turn back the clock on social issues in the US. The knee jerk reaction of ignorant people on this board is frightening and rather disheartening.

I don't know anyone with any gender identity issues, personally, but I do not see the point in giving these people rights that most of us take for granted every day.

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Basically you agree in doing business with countries which kills gays, don't let women drive or get out of the house on their own, where marital rape is legal etc.
Some people have different values then you and Tim and they would quit over doing business with these countries no matter how much money you throw at them. Their values are more important then money.

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You describe it as a "positive change"
again: 50% of America (millions of people) do not consider this change positive and do not want their little daughter in the same bathroom with a grown man that feels like he is woman. They also do not want male/female teenagers in the same showers as teenagers that think of being of a different sex.

Stop insulting and calling people ignorant just because have different values then you and Tim
 
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The neo liberals are making fools of themselves again and again and again. They think they express their freedom when they echo the program implanted in their minds by their masters, the arch racists.
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look at the twitter of the owner and then you tell me. Tomorrow you will see that most messages that will not support the leftist narrative will magically disappear like MSNBS and CNN do on TV.

(((They))) own the narrative, it has to be fake or their power is gone.
 
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Why doesn't Apple support better standards for K-12 education? Why don't they help all the poor people instead of just special classes of people?

congratulation for the best comment ever on mac rumors.

unfortunately liberals with their identity politics like to divide people by gender, race, religion etc.
sadly they use multiculturalism as a tool to divide and conquer
 
congratulation for the best comment ever on mac rumors.

unfortunately liberals with their identity politics like to divide people by gender, race, religion etc.
sadly they use multiculturalism as a tool to divide and conquer

You've been watching too much Fox. What you are talking about sounds much more like Conservatism, which promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization. Conservatives seek to preserve social hierarchy. Some oppose modernism and seek a return to "the way things were". Liberalism on the other hand is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Whereas classical liberalism emphasises the role of liberty, social liberalism stresses the importance of equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality, and international cooperation.
 
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I think it's ignorant when a person blames jews for their own unfortunate circumstances, or when a person denigrates black people, or blames an entire people for the actions of a few.

transgender ≠ black people, jews, etc.
Never has been, never will be. No matter how hard you try that to be, it will never happen.

Sorry but ignorance is not referring to state of mind or opinion. It's referring to lack of education. That is fact based since in general those opposing LGBT rights have poor education compared to those who support the rights.

Same thing goes here. LGBT ≠ transgender.

Transgender people do need help. And we need to help them. But not by loving and endorsing their delusions, but by giving them pro help that they need.
 
Same thing goes here. LGBT ≠ transgender.

Transgender people do need help. And we need to help them. But not by loving and endorsing their delusions, but by giving them pro help that they need.

Transgender is the "T" of LGBT. Sure, it's not LGB :)
And what you say about delusions is totally contrary to established medical knowledge for many years. Established medical practice is to adjust the body. Because there is no "delusion".
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How can you tell who is really transgender? If you drag out the wrong person. You're a racist and go to jail for a long time. It called hate crime..
I don't know which judge it was who said "I know it when I see it".
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I am assuming the anti-trans folk are going to ignore this - but how exactly does this issue affect you directly?
Well, one of them talked about seeing penises in the lady's bathroom, so clearly that person has a habit of trying to look at people's genitals and doesn't want any surprises. There must be things going on in lady's bathrooms that I didn't expect.
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Lev. 18:22


  • ‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." The Lord said that.

Leviticus is part of the old testament which is outdated, abolished, not valid, since Jesus appeared. Quote:

"Many Christians have a peculiar obsession with Leviticus and the subject of homosexuality. Unwilling to accept the clear statements of scripture, they insist that Jewish Law applies to everyone, from creation to eternity. This belief, held by many Christians, is absolutely contrary to what scripture actually says.

The Bible is crystal clear. Leviticus and the Holiness Code are for the children of Israel.
They are not for Christians"
 
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unfortunately liberals with their identity politics like to divide people by gender, race, religion etc.
sadly they use multiculturalism as a tool to divide and conquer

There is a thing called "standing for more than one thing at a time" and many on the right and left can accomplish it. Apple has often pushed into areas like people with disabilities or education in a bid to improve people's lives, now they're looking at something which is close to home. I'd imagine there may be transgender employees at Apple.
 
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Same thing goes here. LGBT ≠ transgender.

Transgender people do need help. And we need to help them. But not by loving and endorsing their delusions, but by giving them pro help that they need.

There is two options here, either you don't understand what ≠ means or you don't understand what letter "T" means in LGBT. What do you mean about "delusions"? Are we on the same shaky ground here as we were on with your terminology?
 
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Will this make people boycott Apple products?

Sure. While they are at it, they might as well boycott the other 52 companies like Amazon, Microsoft, PayPal, Twitter, Tumblr, Yelp, eBay, Airbnb, Yahoo, Spotify, Intel, and IBM, along with all the websites hosted on AWS, which is nearly half of the internet.
 
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Well, one of them talked about seeing penises in the lady's bathroom, so clearly that person has a habit of trying to look at people's genitals and doesn't want any surprises. There must be things going on in lady's bathrooms that I didn't expect.


I don't get the uproar. This is about transgender people trying to make themselves fit in MORE with society. Makes no sense to me why apparently someone like Caitlyn Jenner (assuming I am correct in my knowledge that she did not have her male genitals removed), should use the male toilets instead of the female toilets. I know which one would attract more attention. I'd be more worried about voting for a president of the USA who thinks ( or at least thought that) sexual assault is ok.
 
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So, do you want a man with a beard to walk into the women's room because they were born with a vagina ? They belong in the mens room like they identify.

Do you want me in the mens room wearing my fishnets, skirt and heels ?

Transgender folks have been in the bathrooms for pretty much ever. It wasn't a problem until the GOP lost the battle on gay rights and decided to attack LGBT on another front.
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Why are you so concerned or interested in the genitals of another human in the bathroom ?

Apple like many other bay area companies protect their employees rights. They respect their employees and don't want to see them mistreated. A good company produces great products _AND_ treats their employees well. I don't just support Apple because of their products. It's also because they treat them employees with dignity and respect.

Companies that don't support my rights, don't get my money. I applaud them for doing the right thing.
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Are you a doctor ? Because you seem to know more than my doctor. What else do you know about being trans that my doctor and psychologist doesn't know. Maybe you can give them some tips.

What research have you done on the human brain that says it's a choice ?

Wrong again. If you read my previous post, the transgender that challenged a school and lost was under your buddy Obama's watch.
Do me a favor and bring facts when you have a discussion with me.
 
There is two options here, either you don't understand what ≠ means or you don't understand what letter "T" means in LGBT. What do you mean about "delusions"? Are we on the same shaky ground here as we were on with your terminology?

Sorry, should have written gay ≠ transgender. Where I come from, lgbt = gay, despite 'T' in there.

But sticking to terminology won't make it any better. High suicidal rate in 'transgender' community proves just that. Especially with those who have surgically changed their gender. But it's a lot easier to just live with delusion then to actually help those people I guess.

EOD from me, I do believe that my opinion on the matter is known. I can't convince you or anyone else otherwise, so I really won't even try to. But I will say this: I am glad that my own country doesn't have these 'problems', that is, we don't make up problems :)
 
Sorry but ignorance is not referring to state of mind or opinion. It's referring to lack of education. That is fact based since in general those opposing LGBT rights have poor education compared to those who support the rights.
You've demonstrated ignorance right off the bat saying "the right wing ignorant *******s" while the fact of the matter there are "right wing ignorant *******s" that support gays, and your beloved apple, and as stated before even a transgender person, Cait Jenner. So by your comment are you saying you have a lack of education since you are ignorant on this matter?
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Sorry, should have written gay ≠ transgender. Where I come from, lgbt = gay, despite 'T' in there.

But sticking to terminology won't make it any better. High suicidal rate in 'transgender' community proves just that. Especially with those who have surgically changed their gender. But it's a lot easier to just live with delusion then to actually help those people I guess.


EOD from me, I do believe that my opinion on the matter is known. I can't convince you or anyone else otherwise, so I really won't even try to. But I will say this: I am glad that my own country doesn't have these 'problems', that is, we don't make up problems :)

Absolutely, actually the suicide rate (which I posted previously) is about 40%.
 
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I love Apple for supporting LGBT and women's rights. Let's get few facts out there. Apple with its rainbow logo is supper gay, their design uber gay and their company philosophy will turn every closet gay homophobic into super queen. The fact remains, information technology industry companies in general are liberal but Apple is possibly the most liberal of them all. I'm loving it! BTW, this Apple pride video is awesome:
Yes! Let's all come together as one and be treated the same! Except we are going to have our own flag, our own pride events, and our own special rules. We also want special treatment that others do not get. I have zero issues with gay and lesbian folks. A lot of important people in my life have been gay, lesbian, or bi. The problem is thus whole LGBTQLMNOP movement that makes the whole community look bad. I don't even understand why gay folks want the transgender mixed in with them. It's like the movement will let anything in to make the movement stronger. I welcome gay, lesbians, and bi's into our society and don't care what the do....don't understand why they need this movement that just causes divisions.
 
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I am really, really, sick of reading all this transgender/bathroom/etc. crap. The human species is male and female. If someone makes a CHOICE to live a deviant lifestyle, I don't see why they should get special attention and privileges.
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Don't be another liberal robot spouting what hear other people saying. Trump did not take away anyone's rights. His decision was to leave these policies to the state level.
So is the world as simple as you want it to be, because you are irritated by anything that questions a former status quo or do you have anything factual that you would like to present to someone who's sick and tired of the conversion just as much as you, but really just because it's been going on too long.

I don't want special attention, I don't want special privileges, just acceptance from those I care about and legal manifestation.

I don't care whether you accept me or my kind, I do care if people in general try to respect each other more irregardless of whatever they are or want to be.

As someone who is transsexual I too am fed up by the conversation, I don't want to be a special snowflake nor have I ever "decided" this to be my fate, nor have I asked for it.

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